Gun Control or Gun Rights?

Sampson1986 · 09-01-2005, 09:26 AM

How does everybody here feel about firearm ownership?

I am a strong supporter of gun rights and I view gun control laws as unconstitutional. I believe that if a person is law abiding, there should be no restrictions on the type or number of firearms he/she can own.

**Prince Toad** · 09-01-2005, 09:41 AM

Yeah, why not let everyone in America own a machine gun? What harm could it do?

Sampson1986 · 09-01-2005, 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Prince Toad:
Yeah, why not let everyone in America own a machine gun? What harm could it do?

What harm would a law abiding person (with any type of firearm) do?

[ September 01, 2005, 10:18 AM: Message edited by: Sampson1986 ]

Sampson1986 · 09-01-2005, 10:17 AM

Dangit. Clicked quote instead of edit.

PSYCHOKID909 · 09-01-2005, 10:21 AM

If you remove gun ownership from civilions all it will do is prevent the law abiding citizens from having guns. The criminal eliment will find a way to get the firearms they need.

Sampson1986 · 09-01-2005, 10:26 AM

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Originally posted by Blaine the shogun is #1:
If you remove gun ownership from civilions all it will do is prevent the law abiding citizens from having guns. The criminal eliment will find a way to get the firearms they need.

Exactly. Criminals will break every law to get what they want; that's why they're criminals, right?

PSYCHOKID909 · 09-01-2005, 11:25 AM

however there are two people who should never have guns. Pairs and Nickole the simple life shows us why.

***CaptHayfever*** · 09-01-2005, 02:40 PM

Yeah, unless you can station an armed police officer with insomnia in every house in the country, average citizens should definitely be allowed to own guns (after clearing a brief background check).

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

PSYCHOKID909 · 09-01-2005, 03:13 PM

I know you're being cyinical about the officer with the sleep disorder. But I wounder how long it would take for someone to shout fourth amendment in that situation and nulify it?

Glyph Phoenix · 09-01-2005, 03:29 PM

I got an even better idea. It'd clear up this epidemic of violent kids we're always hearing about. What if we had a branch of police that arrested people who not only bought guns that could be used in violent crimes, but just thought about committing a gun crime? A sort of "thought police", if you will...

Koga · 09-01-2005, 05:18 PM

I don't think it would be good to have gun control in the US, as they're used to having the right to own a firearm. However, I don't think it's a good idea to allow guns in countries where they are not allowed, like my own country.

***CaptHayfever*** · 09-01-2005, 05:27 PM

^Out of curiosity, what happens if there's a gun-related crime around your parts?

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Beam Yosho the Drunkard · 09-01-2005, 09:17 PM

Just limit civilians to only be able to obtain a nomral handgun and perhaps a rifle (for those who like hunting.)

Anything else (automatics, sniper rifles, etc) is stuff normal people really shouldn't have. Just allow the Military and Police forces to have those.

[ September 01, 2005, 09:19 PM: Message edited by: Beam Yosho the Drunkard ]

PSYCHOKID909 · 09-01-2005, 09:42 PM

Whatno shotguns, or what about semi autos? Are we to be left high and dry with revolvers? Granted civilion don't need laws but a semi auto handgun is more reliable then a revolver also less old fashioned ( I'd use a better word here but I don't want to butcher the spelling.)

**Prince Toad** · 09-01-2005, 10:10 PM

Beam is dead on. Maybe a semi-automatic handgun, but no more.

Sampson, what guarantee is there that they'll remain law-abiding? If you could see people's futures and decide that yes, it was perfectly safe, then what the hell. But there's no way of ensuring that someone won't do something unlawful. If they don't have a machine gun, sniper rifle, or other extremely dangerous weapon, then chances are even if they do that unlawful thing anyway, it's going to be a lot less destructive.

Cap'n, I'm guessing they call the ****ing police. The hell do you think they would do?

PSYCHOKID909 · 09-01-2005, 10:29 PM

So nobody gets a gun because there is a possibility that they could possibly not stay lwaful while having a gun?

Sampson1986 · 09-01-2005, 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Beam Yosho the Drunkard:
Anything else (automatics, sniper rifles, etc) is stuff normal people really shouldn't have. Just allow the Military and Police forces to have those.

Normal people shouldn't be allowed to own high performance cars, only race car drivers should.

For the record, I own two assault style rifles and what could be called a sniper rifle. These weapons are no more dangerous or destructive than any other firearm. They may look different, but they function just like any normal firearm.

Quote:

Originally posted by Prince Toad:
Sampson, what guarantee is there that they'll remain law-abiding? If you could see people's futures and decide that yes, it was perfectly safe, then what the hell. But there's no way of ensuring that someone won't do something unlawful. If they don't have a machine gun, sniper rifle, or other extremely dangerous weapon, then chances are even if they do that unlawful thing anyway, it's going to be a lot less destructive.

See my above reply. As far as the law abiding citizen turning bad scenario, it does happen, but should the majority of people who abide by the law be restricted(from owning firearms or anything in general that might be considered "dangerous") because of the few who would break the law? That would be like not allowing cars, alcohol, or sex, because of a few reckless drivers, alcoholics, or rapists.

[ September 01, 2005, 11:31 PM: Message edited by: Sampson1986 ]

**Prince Toad** · 09-01-2005, 11:47 PM

Blaine-- no. Read again. I don't like having to repeat myself (but if you miss it again, I'll have to.)

Sampson-- No, it isn't like sex or cars, because the express purpose of guns is to kill things. I don't know what you'd need with a car that can go 200 miles per hour or whatever. ...wait... you own two assault rifles? What the hell? What could you possibly need them for? If you're worried about protection, unless the entire ****ing Mafia comes into your house I'm pretty sure a semi-automatic handgun is okay. Look, I'm sure that you yourself aren't going to go on a crazy rampage, but... as I said... if you do snap, I'd rather you not have an assault rifle. Which you could not possibly need. Or even have any use for.

Beam Yosho the Drunkard · 09-02-2005, 12:03 AM

Sorry, but automatics and sniper rifles and such on are far, far more dangerous AND powerful than a normal handgun.

Like PT said, there's no need for them at ALL, unless if by some crazy chance you're in trouble with the Mafia.

Assualt Rifles mangle everything. They do FAR more damage than a Hand gun.

PSYCHOKID909 · 09-02-2005, 12:29 AM

Sorry Prince Toad this is kinda a touchy subject for me and I got carried away. What's wrong with shotguns? They're great for home defence and hunting ( big game). A frind of mine who is hoping to be atleast a US ranger( forgot the proper name) or be in SWAT has two assult rifels both semi auto and one with a hair trigger. But he the most causis person I know when it comes to using firearms responcibly. And did you know that it's technicly legal for US citisons to have full autos. No i'm not talking about the Brady bill expiring, there was some clause in legislation that said as long as you apply for a licence, and Buy one that was made in 1986 or earlier.

09-01-2005, 09:26 AM	#1
Sampson1986 Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Glacier County, Montana Gender: Posts: 323 Thanks: 4 Thanked 7 Times in 3 Posts Points: 11,815.70 Bank: 585.83 Total Points: 12,401.53 Donate	How does everybody here feel about firearm ownership? I am a strong supporter of gun rights and I view gun control laws as unconstitutional. I believe that if a person is law abiding, there should be no restrictions on the type or number of firearms he/she can own.

09-01-2005, 09:41 AM	#2
Prince Toad PC Mod Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Rookery Gender: Posts: 11,428 Thanks: 43 Thanked 59 Times in 50 Posts Points: 45,936.55 Bank: 26,666.46 Total Points: 72,603.01 Donate	Yeah, why not let everyone in America own a machine gun? What harm could it do?

09-01-2005, 10:17 AM	#4
Sampson1986 Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Glacier County, Montana Gender: Posts: 323 Thanks: 4 Thanked 7 Times in 3 Posts Points: 11,815.70 Bank: 585.83 Total Points: 12,401.53 Donate	Dangit. Clicked quote instead of edit.

09-01-2005, 10:21 AM	#5
PSYCHOKID909 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: On the run. Gender: Posts: 8,413 Thanks: 79 Thanked 41 Times in 35 Posts Points: 5,562.61 Bank: 4,751.37 Total Points: 10,313.98 Donate	If you remove gun ownership from civilions all it will do is prevent the law abiding citizens from having guns. The criminal eliment will find a way to get the firearms they need.

09-01-2005, 11:25 AM	#7
PSYCHOKID909 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: On the run. Gender: Posts: 8,413 Thanks: 79 Thanked 41 Times in 35 Posts Points: 5,562.61 Bank: 4,751.37 Total Points: 10,313.98 Donate	however there are two people who should never have guns. Pairs and Nickole the simple life shows us why.

09-01-2005, 02:40 PM	#8
*CaptHayfever* Smash Supermod Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 19,787 Thanks: 238 Thanked 943 Times in 574 Posts Points: 117,619.41 Bank: 1,847.49 Total Points: 119,466.90 Donate	Yeah, unless you can station an armed police officer with insomnia in every house in the country, average citizens should definitely be allowed to own guns (after clearing a brief background check). And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

09-01-2005, 03:13 PM	#9
PSYCHOKID909 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: On the run. Gender: Posts: 8,413 Thanks: 79 Thanked 41 Times in 35 Posts Points: 5,562.61 Bank: 4,751.37 Total Points: 10,313.98 Donate	I know you're being cyinical about the officer with the sleep disorder. But I wounder how long it would take for someone to shout fourth amendment in that situation and nulify it?

09-01-2005, 03:29 PM	#10
Glyph Phoenix Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Gender: Posts: 1,774 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 7,039.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 7,539.00 Donate	I got an even better idea. It'd clear up this epidemic of violent kids we're always hearing about. What if we had a branch of police that arrested people who not only bought guns that could be used in violent crimes, but just thought about committing a gun crime? A sort of "thought police", if you will...

09-01-2005, 05:18 PM	#11
Koga Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: The Netherlands Gender: Posts: 17,093 Thanks: 104 Thanked 174 Times in 116 Posts Points: 107,672.41 Bank: 21,215.78 Total Points: 128,888.19 Donate	I don't think it would be good to have gun control in the US, as they're used to having the right to own a firearm. However, I don't think it's a good idea to allow guns in countries where they are not allowed, like my own country.

09-01-2005, 05:27 PM	#12
*CaptHayfever* Smash Supermod Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 19,787 Thanks: 238 Thanked 943 Times in 574 Posts Points: 117,619.41 Bank: 1,847.49 Total Points: 119,466.90 Donate	^Out of curiosity, what happens if there's a gun-related crime around your parts? And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

09-01-2005, 09:17 PM	#13
Beam Yosho the Drunkard Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The oversized rock of Hawaii. Gender: Posts: 5,664 Thanks: 5 Thanked 17 Times in 13 Posts Points: 23,878.39 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 24,378.39 Donate	Just limit civilians to only be able to obtain a nomral handgun and perhaps a rifle (for those who like hunting.) Anything else (automatics, sniper rifles, etc) is stuff normal people really shouldn't have. Just allow the Military and Police forces to have those. [ September 01, 2005, 09:19 PM: Message edited by: Beam Yosho the Drunkard ]

09-01-2005, 09:42 PM	#14
PSYCHOKID909 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: On the run. Gender: Posts: 8,413 Thanks: 79 Thanked 41 Times in 35 Posts Points: 5,562.61 Bank: 4,751.37 Total Points: 10,313.98 Donate	Whatno shotguns, or what about semi autos? Are we to be left high and dry with revolvers? Granted civilion don't need laws but a semi auto handgun is more reliable then a revolver also less old fashioned ( I'd use a better word here but I don't want to butcher the spelling.)

09-01-2005, 10:10 PM	#15
Prince Toad PC Mod Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Rookery Gender: Posts: 11,428 Thanks: 43 Thanked 59 Times in 50 Posts Points: 45,936.55 Bank: 26,666.46 Total Points: 72,603.01 Donate	Beam is dead on. Maybe a semi-automatic handgun, but no more. Sampson, what guarantee is there that they'll remain law-abiding? If you could see people's futures and decide that yes, it was perfectly safe, then what the hell. But there's no way of ensuring that someone won't do something unlawful. If they don't have a machine gun, sniper rifle, or other extremely dangerous weapon, then chances are even if they do that unlawful thing anyway, it's going to be a lot less destructive. Cap'n, I'm guessing they call the ****ing police. The hell do you think they would do?

09-01-2005, 10:29 PM	#16
PSYCHOKID909 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: On the run. Gender: Posts: 8,413 Thanks: 79 Thanked 41 Times in 35 Posts Points: 5,562.61 Bank: 4,751.37 Total Points: 10,313.98 Donate	So nobody gets a gun because there is a possibility that they could possibly not stay lwaful while having a gun?

09-01-2005, 11:47 PM	#18
Prince Toad PC Mod Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Rookery Gender: Posts: 11,428 Thanks: 43 Thanked 59 Times in 50 Posts Points: 45,936.55 Bank: 26,666.46 Total Points: 72,603.01 Donate	Blaine-- no. Read again. I don't like having to repeat myself (but if you miss it again, I'll have to.) Sampson-- No, it isn't like sex or cars, because the express purpose of guns is to kill things. I don't know what you'd need with a car that can go 200 miles per hour or whatever. ...wait... you own two assault rifles? What the hell? What could you possibly need them for? If you're worried about protection, unless the entire ****ing Mafia comes into your house I'm pretty sure a semi-automatic handgun is okay. Look, I'm sure that you yourself aren't going to go on a crazy rampage, but... as I said... if you do snap, I'd rather you not have an assault rifle. Which you could not possibly need. Or even have any use for.

09-02-2005, 12:03 AM	#19
Beam Yosho the Drunkard Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The oversized rock of Hawaii. Gender: Posts: 5,664 Thanks: 5 Thanked 17 Times in 13 Posts Points: 23,878.39 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 24,378.39 Donate	Sorry, but automatics and sniper rifles and such on are far, far more dangerous AND powerful than a normal handgun. Like PT said, there's no need for them at ALL, unless if by some crazy chance you're in trouble with the Mafia. Assualt Rifles mangle everything. They do FAR more damage than a Hand gun.

09-02-2005, 12:29 AM	#20
PSYCHOKID909 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: On the run. Gender: Posts: 8,413 Thanks: 79 Thanked 41 Times in 35 Posts Points: 5,562.61 Bank: 4,751.37 Total Points: 10,313.98 Donate	Sorry Prince Toad this is kinda a touchy subject for me and I got carried away. What's wrong with shotguns? They're great for home defence and hunting ( big game). A frind of mine who is hoping to be atleast a US ranger( forgot the proper name) or be in SWAT has two assult rifels both semi auto and one with a hair trigger. But he the most causis person I know when it comes to using firearms responcibly. And did you know that it's technicly legal for US citisons to have full autos. No i'm not talking about the Brady bill expiring, there was some clause in legislation that said as long as you apply for a licence, and Buy one that was made in 1986 or earlier.