Suicide

[MASALOBOTOMY]

People who think there is no point in life need a good slap in the face, I myself am completly against suicide, but we can't control idiots who think the world is sick just because the loss of something.

[Double Genocide]

Honestly, I'm for suicide. This may sound cruel but suicide rids us of the idiots who think life isn't worth living. That's the whole point of life: TO LIFE IT! If you can't stand life, think of the positives. Don't be a little chicken and end it. I know one day there's gonna be a time where a guy buys a lottery ticket, something bad happens, he kills himself, and next day he wins the lottery.

[CaptHayfever]

No one kills themselves with a lottery ticket outstanding; he would wait until after the drawing.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

[DELICIOUS POISON]

Originally Posted by Deku Trii

I always figured if I ever got that depressed I'd just go out and do everything I've always wanted until I either stopped being depressed, or one of those things killed me. I'm sure it's not so simple, though.

That sort of depression typically involves feeling like you're in a dead end situation where you can't enjoy anything. Not that I've considered it an option, but that's not an unfamiliar feeling to me.

People who kill theirselves because of depression are just overwhelmed by their inner demons. It's not something totally unreasonable - they just honestly can't see any way that they might live in happiness. That there is something tormenting them, or they can't stop thinking in their own narrow train of thought. Feeling alone and closed off from the world is an easy thing to do - sure, you can talk to anyone. But, unless they show that they care unconditionally, and earn that sort of trust that makes it a believable thing to the depressed - all you end up thinking in the end is that they are judging you. Which is quite true of most people, sadly. They don't want to listen, they want to "fix" you. That means they're telling you there is something wrong with you, which is just another reason to be depressed for someone who's that low. Those emotions aren't going to allow you to see that it's something that can change.

But I only expect the world to go on being ignorant about this sort of thing as it has just about everything else.

[StealthKnight]

I personally see it as an option but a last resort option. I have delt with nearly killing myself a month in and half ago. I didn't believe that I would make it. I felt too inexperienced compared to others that I would be a failure and die alone. Is it selfish to want to end the suffering instead of living miserably for others. For me it was a cry for help! I had depression and a lack of self confidence. I failed to fully succeed only because I imagined a friend convincing me not to. Think about some of them stopped me. It's not selfish, it's not good to let them die. They might be good people that could be very successfully. You need to live for yourself and for the day or what goal you have. This is a very serious topic that needs to be taken seriously with compassion and a open mind.

Phytronic, I agree with you on it. I'm going to weirdly thank you for such a great statement that I have not heard anyone here mention

StealthKnight

[Dr. Horrible]

I wouldn't be suprised at all if it turned out that a majority of people have contemplated ending it all at one time or another.

[StealthKnight]

Interesting thought, I do wonder about that myself. Maybe for someone to know that many have thought about it at one point might help them.

StealthKnight

[Shotglass]

I always think about that scene in Ali G Indahouse, when he says to the kid "And remember - Life is the most precious gift Jah has given to us" and shoots down all those bad guys.

I think suicide is probably the most selfish thing any human can do. There is always someone who loves you, or at least cares for you. If you think you'll do people a favor when you "go", you're wrong. I can't deny I have had thoughts in the past, when I was heavily mobbed in school and had problems with my parents, because they never understood me, but I always told myself three things:
1. They still love you
2. You have absolutely no right to do that.
3. Suicide? Are you crazy? STFU and get a life.
Well, I got one. A pretty darned good one. It's four years later and I'm happy. There is always a light at the end of the tunnel.

[StealthKnight]

How do you all define what is right and wrong? Why do you think people have no right to commit suicide? I curious of peoples reasoning. I have been told it's wrong but why is what I want to know. Why do you all think that? Once again, I do not mean any offense to any of you.

StealthKnight

[ZeldaGirl]

I have thought, "Wow, it would be so easy to escape this pain and just end my life." However, I have never actually, seriously considered doing it. Maybe I'm just an eternal optimist. To me, for every dark hour, there is an equally light one waiting somewhere else.

[DELICIOUS POISON]

More than anything, I think it's a selfish act to commit. I think family and the rest suffers more than anything - but I think many times that's part of the reason suicide happens. Because nobody is noticing you, and you're hurt, and you're angry, and why should you care what they feel when that's all they've shown you?

If you just go saying it's outright wrong - you're ignoring the fact that much of it comes from feeling defeated in the face of unfair and unrealistic pressures and expectations from others. In the case of many, it seems a last defiant act. Perhaps it's selfish, but it is their life to live or lose.

[Ace Mercury]

I think it's important to make a distinction of the reasons to commit suicide. There's deep, emotional pain (aka. being 'emo') and there's deep, physical pain (e.g. dying from terminal disease). Of the latter, it may not be the case that it's a selfish maneuver; it could be that being strung along for months in pallative care makes one feel like a burden.

[Kae]

I'm not sure how to express this without sounding like an ass, but being the confidante of a suicidal person brings you down like almost nothing else can. When they come to you again and again, always saying the same things, "I don't want to live anymore, there's no point, why should I care." You talk them out of it again and again, but they are always stuck in that rut of negative, self-destructive thoughts. It makes you want to never speak to that person again, and just forget they existed. But then you feel guilt as you realize that sometimes all these people want is some attention, some reassurance that somebody does in fact care about them. You feel guilty because you know that if they think that they're becoming a burden to you, which they are, it only adds to their self-depreciation. It's a most frustrating thing, because it seems that you can never help them. You almost want them to try it so that when they wake up to find themselves in intensive care, they realize how entirely precious life is.

I'm not entirely sure how I feel about suicide, about whether it is an acceptable option or not. Many times I have disdain for those who resort to it, especially if for the most foolish of reasons. But on the other hand, everyone has their own demons to deal with, and you never know what a person has been through to make them feel that there is nothing left in store for them. I only know that if I were to seriously consider it, I would be ashamed of myself.

[Loco2185]

I think the reason ppl do it is because they have an F'ed up life like 5 of my friends who have com once contemplated suicide and i kno one who has killed him self cause of a gurl
but they make bad decisions by trying or killing themselfs
they should not be the one's who decide to end there lives
IT SHOULD BE GOD HIMSELF who will kno when its time

[DELICIOUS POISON]

Like god ever stopped a depressed atheist :P

[Bomby]

Originally Posted by Sai

I'm not sure how to express this without sounding like an ass, but being the confidante of a suicidal person brings you down like almost nothing else can. When they come to you again and again, always saying the same things, "I don't want to live anymore, there's no point, why should I care." You talk them out of it again and again, but they are always stuck in that rut of negative, self-destructive thoughts. It makes you want to never speak to that person again, and just forget they existed. But then you feel guilt as you realize that sometimes all these people want is some attention, some reassurance that somebody does in fact care about them. You feel guilty because you know that if they think that they're becoming a burden to you, which they are, it only adds to their self-depreciation. It's a most frustrating thing, because it seems that you can never help them. You almost want them to try it so that when they wake up to find themselves in intensive care, they realize how entirely precious life is.

Realest thing ever posted on these forums.

[Dr. Horrible]

I know how you feel, Sai. I've been dealing with the same thing for a while now. To make things worse, it's my mom who keeps getting messed up on pills and alcohol and saying she's got nothing left to live for now that her kids have all grown and left the house, that the church and the local radio personalities are out to get her (see "People who argue with logical fallacies" in the venting forum for more info), that everyone is mean to her, and that she's just tired of living from day to day. The last time she threatened to do so, she even went so far as to sign the title of her car over to me (well, she did her part. I didn't sign anything).

Despite the fact that she's my mom, I still feel exactly the way you described about the situation. Part of me just wants her to try it so she'd officially be a risk to herself and she could get the psychological help she refuses to seek on her own and that I can't give her. At times I feel like such a ****ty son for feeling that way, but others I feel like she's a ****ty mother for putting me through all this.

[Bartman101]

Suicide is stupid.People who try to do it are only looking at the bad stuff they arent lookin at the positives.Suicide is the most selfish thing they dont reolize they arent just hurting themselves the are also hurting there loved ones.Even though they think that life sucks and it isnt worth living there are people who love them.

[StealthKnight]

If they are constantly feeling suicidal, then don't let them go, get the someone in your school for help, call a crises hotline, or take them to a place to get help even if they don't want to. They might hate you at the moment but it's better then never seeing them again. Besides, they might thank you latter for doing it for them. I have had moments like that and I was glad my friends did something, even if I was angry with them at the time. How important are they to you? Do you care enough to do something? Or are you going to "let them die and lessen the gene pool"? That attitude upsetts me and I would think you were nothing but a ba-----. I would probably think you are more selfish for letting some one die they trying to do something. That's how I feel at least about it and I do not mean to attack anyone.

StealthKnight

"Friends who you can trust are true friends indeed"
Iwao Hazuki

Adversity does teach who your real friends are. Lois McMaster Bujold, A Civil Campaign, 1999
US science fiction author

It’s the friends you can call up at four a.m. that matter. Marlene Dietrich
German movie actress (1901 - 1992)

[Lord X]

1. A lot of people are saying that suicide is selfish. That seems to be a rather generic and thoughtless thing to say in my opinion. Before you say that you should think about it a good bit. Maybe it's the family and friends who are being selfish. After all, they're not the ones who have to suffer. It’s very easy for them to expect the one contemplating suicide to remain alive. Sounds pretty selfish to me… this person is expecting to endure their misery simply to please his/her friends and family?

2. I personally see suicide as a great thing: it gets rid of the weak. Natural selection! We should erect billboards on roadways advocating suicide! We should have commercials on TV telling people to kill themselves if they feel down. After all, who wants all those depressed genes in our gene pool?

3. A quote:

Originally Posted by MasaHiro

People who think there is no point in life need a good slap in the face...

Now I'm not saying I personally believe there is no point in life but uh... how the heck do you know for sure that there necessarily is? You don't. Let me say that again because it's true: you don't. Clearly you have absolutely no place to say those who believe there is no point in life need to be slapped. They might say the same of you.