Gay Marriage - Page 2

Koga · 04-28-2006, 03:41 PM

It's not just you, Deku Tree, all the debates are always about male couples. I don't find it suprising for the reasons Nojoy stated.

Sampson1986 · 04-28-2006, 03:56 PM

I don't care one way or another.

I just want to be left alone and stop having everyone's crap shoved in my face.

ETA: By everyone, I mean all these political lobby groups. I am tired of being told to vote for gay marriage or vote against gay marriage or this or that. Yadda yadda yadda. Shut up and leave me the hell alone.

**Prince Toad** · 04-28-2006, 04:03 PM

Democracy in action.

***CaptHayfever*** · 04-28-2006, 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deku Tree

If they have no business in church beliefs, then shouldn't they get out of the marriage business entirely? Let marriage be a religious institution in which churches can decide on whether or not to recognize a marriage, and civil unions be a government institution in which consenting adults of any gender can join together.

That's what I've said for a while.
Marriage throughout history has been primarily looked at with a spiritual connotation, even among the cavemen who just thought "big spirit says you two mate". Heck, even back during the days when marriage was a business transaction (in some place it still is), there was still spirituality tied to it (and there still is in the modern places, too). And it's not just "official" religious matters that the US government is supposed to butt out of, but any spiritual matter.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

**Prince Toad** · 04-28-2006, 09:34 PM

Uh, how exactly do you know what cavemen were thinking? They weren't too keen about telling us.

GamertoNintendo · 04-29-2006, 12:37 AM

I see no reason why gays/lesbians shouldn't be forbidden the right to be financially responsible for each other. That is the real benefit of marriage that gives actual insentive for this marriage argument. And it is one that no one should be denied if they have the proper compassion and devotion for each other's cause. If they also want to adopt a child, that sounds fine to me.

But I'm not gay. I just tolerate their existence.

And this issue is one more reason why I dislike conservative christianity. This particular sect of religion often seems to get caught calling it a sin...that is in my book, and I have in fact met people that are indeed of this religious sect that will honestly...no, not necessarily kill you...but...like...put you on their diss list if you say you are gay or promote homosexuality.

Nice job Nojoy. Just what I wanted to see. Dick's daughter. Heh.

Besides, animals can be gay/lesbian. O_O

Irkenwarrior12 · 04-29-2006, 01:20 AM

If it will get them to shut up, then let them do it. I honestly don't care if someone marries their own sex, It's their life, let them do what they want. (to a degree)

**Crazyswordsman** · 04-29-2006, 09:45 AM

The government should be able to recognize civil unions, and give them all the rights of a heterosexual couple. Religious institutions can make their own decision about whether or not to allow gay marriage in their churches. It all comes back to separation of church and state, as well as people's rights to privacy. It has nothing to do with whether or not homosexuality is right or wrong. And frankly, let's leave that belief up to individuals. If you're like me, and you don't like gay marriage, just don't have one. It's that simple. -CSM

**Prince Toad** · 04-29-2006, 12:41 PM

All good points. Also, anything that will stick it to the religious right is a worthy cause, in my book. I have difficulty expressing my hatred for them in words.

Hero Mystic · 04-30-2006, 07:19 AM

Here's my take on all of this:

I have no problem with Gay/Lesbian marriages, not because I don't care, it's because I don't see a reason to NOT let it happen. Alot of people say that it is because of religious beliefs, but what does the 1st amendment say? Oh yeah, RELIGIOUS FREEDOM. You're not supposed to be held down by any religion, so I just see that the people/government are just trying to hold off with their trump card until they notice their violation.

Gay marriage is of course, not usual, and I don't think that anyone would like to see two males or two females kiss each other (alittle shakey on the females >.>; ). But all people should be treated equally, and that goes for gays too. No one should be using a religious belief to hold back something they don't believe it. It's their life, let them have their marriage and move on with your life.

Koga · 04-30-2006, 12:13 PM

Good points. What difference does it make to your life if homosexuals are allowed to get married? Over here, gay marriages have been allowed since the early 2000s and it certainly hasn't affected my life in any way.

Lord_Zack · 04-30-2006, 05:54 PM

Well, Homosexuality is an abomination, a sin. So's lieing and in most cases that's not illegal. So should Gay Marriage be illegal? I don't see why it would be. It's none of my business, I not going to condemn them. The only thing seperating me and them is Jesus. So in the interests of seperation of Church and State and all that it should probably be legal.

Koga · 05-01-2006, 05:03 AM

^ that's an interesting point of view.

Legion · 05-01-2006, 12:38 PM

Yup. Because being gay means you cannot be Christian. Yup. That's logical.

Look, I don't care what people do behind closed doors. We have gay marriage in Britain. Society hasn't collapsed in an orgy of violence yet. What's the problem?

Nojoy · 05-01-2006, 04:46 PM

good thing we have Jesus to protect us from those nasty homosexuals.

we got it in Canada (though not for long I fear) and the only pain it has caused anyone is that it really bugs homophobes, so i'm happy.

Inferno Dragon · 05-01-2006, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord_Zack

Well, Homosexuality is an abomination, a sin. So's lieing and in most cases that's not illegal. So should Gay Marriage be illegal? I don't see why it would be. It's none of my business, I not going to condemn them. The only thing seperating me and them is Jesus. So in the interests of seperation of Church and State and all that it should probably be legal.

oh that statement is so christian of you

look I don't know about you guys but I'm a member of the United Methodist Church, I am still a Christian but my sect of christianity teaches that everyone should be tollerant of one another and that everyone should be equals. also no matter what faith or background, or sexual orientation you have you can come worship whatever religion you believe at a church under the controll of United Methodist. so honestly I'm just going by my beliefs when I say that LORD ZACK'S STATEMENT ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY BEING A SIN IS TOTAL BUNK! unless it goes against a commandment it's not a true sin and the last time I checked "thou shalt not be gay" was not a commandment.

honestly people get waaayy too riled up about this subject and being very tolerant of other people's beliefs (except you Zack, you go over there with the witch hunters and racist biggots) I think gay marrage should be allowed.

Sir Dark, The Hunter · 05-02-2006, 12:59 PM

to be a racist biggot means to hate someone just because they're different, which Zack isn't doing Inferno. Yes, there is no "thou shalt not be gay" commandment & yes everyone should be treated equally. However, you are forgetting something. It is the church who gets to decide if someone is to be married or not, not the government. If you give them the right to have marriage, the church can still saty no & the government would be completely helpless to do anything about it, and if the government did try to do something, then they would be in direct violation of the separation of church and state rule/law. Now, if government forces our churches to marry homosexuals, you 1) completely destroy the foundation on what this country's rules& laws are based upon, 2) say that the church holds no power whatsoever, which includes the Christian God, who I believe in, & every other religions' Gods & Goddesses, 3) open the door for the right for loose polygamy, which I mean by saying that anyone can get married for whatever reason they want & to whoever they want, including children, w/out the others' say so & how many they want, & 4) upset everyone by saying that the government holds so much power, they can get away w/ whatever they want, whenever they want, resulting in revolution which would completely destroy our country & everything we are.

Now, if they want the same rights as us non-homo/bisexuals through government tax easements & other government benefits, that should be for the US to decide, but as for marriage in general, they do not have the right.

I do respect them, but they do not get to have a right that was never written for them to begin with, & that right, is marriage Under God or whatever their religion may be.

Inferno Dragon · 05-02-2006, 03:14 PM

but calling someone's lifestyle a sin is just as bad as being a biggot because you are basicly saying that so-and-so is going to hell because they don't follow your narrow minded view of the world. and honestly I find that just as offensive as some white guy calling a black guy the N word. honestly they should have the same rights as anyone else to be married in a church because they are just people. and that's how we should treat gays and people of other backgrounds, as just people. honestly why do we even lable people in the first place.
just because someone looks different, or acts different, or has a different sexual prefference, society labels them as a name and they get treated differently or worse than "normal" people. we should just treat everyone equaly and stop labeling people certain names.

Sir Dark, The Hunter · 05-02-2006, 03:38 PM

If you read what I wrote earlier, I never called them different even though they are different than me in that area, but that was by choice. I'm not against them & I refuse to allow ppl to treat them as inferiors, "just because"

However, what you talking about is to why I "agreed" with Zack.

1) I never agreed w/ him

2) my religious beliefs do play a part in this discussion, just as everyone elses'

3) this issue can only be solved by the Church & ultimately God, Gods' viewpoint is what will & only will solve this problem

4) It is not mine, Zacks, or anyone to "label" someone, even if they have a reason. The objective here is not to see wether or not this site will start a holy war, it is because I want to know the answer top an issue that is plaugeing everyone, whether they like it or not. If you can only post on this site to lable or criticize then bugger off and create a place for that if the ppl running this site will let you. Zack has his right to his viewpoint no matter how "ignorant" or "intelligent" it seems. I'm not going to let friends fight over something just because someone said the wrong thing. Now I am not asking for apologies or anything but if this is going to end up being a pointless chuckfest then all I can say is don't post at all

Inferno Dragon · 05-02-2006, 03:44 PM

well back to my original post, I think Gay marrage should be allowed on the grounds that Gays should have the rights of everyone else.

04-28-2006, 03:41 PM	#21
Koga Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: The Netherlands Gender: Posts: 17,093 Thanks: 104 Thanked 173 Times in 116 Posts Points: 106,180.41 Bank: 19,992.10 Total Points: 126,172.51 Donate	It's not just you, Deku Tree, all the debates are always about male couples. I don't find it suprising for the reasons Nojoy stated.

04-28-2006, 03:56 PM	#22
Sampson1986 Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Glacier County, Montana Gender: Posts: 323 Thanks: 4 Thanked 7 Times in 3 Posts Points: 11,528.70 Bank: 585.83 Total Points: 12,114.53 Donate	I don't care one way or another. I just want to be left alone and stop having everyone's crap shoved in my face. ETA: By everyone, I mean all these political lobby groups. I am tired of being told to vote for gay marriage or vote against gay marriage or this or that. Yadda yadda yadda. Shut up and leave me the hell alone.

04-28-2006, 04:03 PM	#23
Prince Toad PC Mod Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Rookery Gender: Posts: 11,418 Thanks: 43 Thanked 56 Times in 47 Posts Points: 44,730.38 Bank: 22,313.30 Total Points: 67,043.68 Donate	Democracy in action.

04-28-2006, 09:34 PM	#25
Prince Toad PC Mod Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Rookery Gender: Posts: 11,418 Thanks: 43 Thanked 56 Times in 47 Posts Points: 44,730.38 Bank: 22,313.30 Total Points: 67,043.68 Donate	Uh, how exactly do you know what cavemen were thinking? They weren't too keen about telling us.

04-29-2006, 12:37 AM	#26
GamertoNintendo Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: USA California, but that is all you get. Gender: Posts: 46 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 4,221.33 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 4,721.33 Donate	I see no reason why gays/lesbians shouldn't be forbidden the right to be financially responsible for each other. That is the real benefit of marriage that gives actual insentive for this marriage argument. And it is one that no one should be denied if they have the proper compassion and devotion for each other's cause. If they also want to adopt a child, that sounds fine to me. But I'm not gay. I just tolerate their existence. And this issue is one more reason why I dislike conservative christianity. This particular sect of religion often seems to get caught calling it a sin...that is in my book, and I have in fact met people that are indeed of this religious sect that will honestly...no, not necessarily kill you...but...like...put you on their diss list if you say you are gay or promote homosexuality. Nice job Nojoy. Just what I wanted to see. Dick's daughter. Heh. Besides, animals can be gay/lesbian. O_O

04-29-2006, 01:20 AM	#27
Irkenwarrior12 Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Your mother's face. SNAP! Gender: Posts: 1,136 Thanks: 26 Thanked 23 Times in 18 Posts Points: 14,164.07 Bank: 2,423.97 Total Points: 16,588.04 Donate	If it will get them to shut up, then let them do it. I honestly don't care if someone marries their own sex, It's their life, let them do what they want. (to a degree)

04-29-2006, 09:45 AM	#28
Crazyswordsman RPG Mod Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 8,128 Thanks: 556 Thanked 394 Times in 267 Posts Points: 139,185.52 Bank: 36,646.84 Total Points: 175,832.36 Donate	The government should be able to recognize civil unions, and give them all the rights of a heterosexual couple. Religious institutions can make their own decision about whether or not to allow gay marriage in their churches. It all comes back to separation of church and state, as well as people's rights to privacy. It has nothing to do with whether or not homosexuality is right or wrong. And frankly, let's leave that belief up to individuals. If you're like me, and you don't like gay marriage, just don't have one. It's that simple. -CSM

04-29-2006, 12:41 PM	#29
Prince Toad PC Mod Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Rookery Gender: Posts: 11,418 Thanks: 43 Thanked 56 Times in 47 Posts Points: 44,730.38 Bank: 22,313.30 Total Points: 67,043.68 Donate	All good points. Also, anything that will stick it to the religious right is a worthy cause, in my book. I have difficulty expressing my hatred for them in words.

04-30-2006, 07:19 AM	#30
Hero Mystic Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Around the corner of your... Gender: Posts: 270 Thanks: 3 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 7,669.87 Bank: 1,595.86 Total Points: 9,265.73 Donate	Here's my take on all of this: I have no problem with Gay/Lesbian marriages, not because I don't care, it's because I don't see a reason to NOT let it happen. Alot of people say that it is because of religious beliefs, but what does the 1st amendment say? Oh yeah, RELIGIOUS FREEDOM. You're not supposed to be held down by any religion, so I just see that the people/government are just trying to hold off with their trump card until they notice their violation. Gay marriage is of course, not usual, and I don't think that anyone would like to see two males or two females kiss each other (alittle shakey on the females >.>; ). But all people should be treated equally, and that goes for gays too. No one should be using a religious belief to hold back something they don't believe it. It's their life, let them have their marriage and move on with your life.

04-30-2006, 12:13 PM	#31
Koga Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: The Netherlands Gender: Posts: 17,093 Thanks: 104 Thanked 173 Times in 116 Posts Points: 106,180.41 Bank: 19,992.10 Total Points: 126,172.51 Donate	Good points. What difference does it make to your life if homosexuals are allowed to get married? Over here, gay marriages have been allowed since the early 2000s and it certainly hasn't affected my life in any way.

04-30-2006, 05:54 PM	#32
Lord_Zack Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Gender: Posts: 752 Thanks: 22 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts Points: 12,273.55 Bank: 2,590.48 Total Points: 14,864.03 Donate	Well, Homosexuality is an abomination, a sin. So's lieing and in most cases that's not illegal. So should Gay Marriage be illegal? I don't see why it would be. It's none of my business, I not going to condemn them. The only thing seperating me and them is Jesus. So in the interests of seperation of Church and State and all that it should probably be legal.

05-01-2006, 05:03 AM	#33
Koga Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: The Netherlands Gender: Posts: 17,093 Thanks: 104 Thanked 173 Times in 116 Posts Points: 106,180.41 Bank: 19,992.10 Total Points: 126,172.51 Donate	^ that's an interesting point of view.

05-01-2006, 12:38 PM	#34
Legion Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Greater Mancester, UK Gender: Posts: 1,860 Thanks: 10 Thanked 16 Times in 11 Posts Points: 8,040.29 Bank: 6,647.77 Total Points: 14,688.06 Donate	Yup. Because being gay means you cannot be Christian. Yup. That's logical. Look, I don't care what people do behind closed doors. We have gay marriage in Britain. Society hasn't collapsed in an orgy of violence yet. What's the problem?

05-01-2006, 04:46 PM	#35
Nojoy Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Wouldn't you like to know Gender: Posts: 90 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 1,989.66 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 2,489.66 Donate	good thing we have Jesus to protect us from those nasty homosexuals. we got it in Canada (though not for long I fear) and the only pain it has caused anyone is that it really bugs homophobes, so i'm happy.

05-02-2006, 12:59 PM	#37
Sir Dark, The Hunter Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Don't know, don't care Gender: Posts: 172 Thanks: 5 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post Points: 10,614.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 11,114.00 Donate	to be a racist biggot means to hate someone just because they're different, which Zack isn't doing Inferno. Yes, there is no "thou shalt not be gay" commandment & yes everyone should be treated equally. However, you are forgetting something. It is the church who gets to decide if someone is to be married or not, not the government. If you give them the right to have marriage, the church can still saty no & the government would be completely helpless to do anything about it, and if the government did try to do something, then they would be in direct violation of the separation of church and state rule/law. Now, if government forces our churches to marry homosexuals, you 1) completely destroy the foundation on what this country's rules& laws are based upon, 2) say that the church holds no power whatsoever, which includes the Christian God, who I believe in, & every other religions' Gods & Goddesses, 3) open the door for the right for loose polygamy, which I mean by saying that anyone can get married for whatever reason they want & to whoever they want, including children, w/out the others' say so & how many they want, & 4) upset everyone by saying that the government holds so much power, they can get away w/ whatever they want, whenever they want, resulting in revolution which would completely destroy our country & everything we are. Now, if they want the same rights as us non-homo/bisexuals through government tax easements & other government benefits, that should be for the US to decide, but as for marriage in general, they do not have the right. I do respect them, but they do not get to have a right that was never written for them to begin with, & that right, is marriage Under God or whatever their religion may be.

05-02-2006, 03:14 PM	#38
Inferno Dragon Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Planet Draco Gender: Posts: 5,948 Thanks: 52 Thanked 33 Times in 26 Posts Points: 34,692.42 Bank: 22,322.06 Total Points: 57,014.48 Donate	but calling someone's lifestyle a sin is just as bad as being a biggot because you are basicly saying that so-and-so is going to hell because they don't follow your narrow minded view of the world. and honestly I find that just as offensive as some white guy calling a black guy the N word. honestly they should have the same rights as anyone else to be married in a church because they are just people. and that's how we should treat gays and people of other backgrounds, as just people. honestly why do we even lable people in the first place. just because someone looks different, or acts different, or has a different sexual prefference, society labels them as a name and they get treated differently or worse than "normal" people. we should just treat everyone equaly and stop labeling people certain names.

05-02-2006, 03:38 PM	#39
Sir Dark, The Hunter Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Don't know, don't care Gender: Posts: 172 Thanks: 5 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post Points: 10,614.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 11,114.00 Donate	If you read what I wrote earlier, I never called them different even though they are different than me in that area, but that was by choice. I'm not against them & I refuse to allow ppl to treat them as inferiors, "just because" However, what you talking about is to why I "agreed" with Zack. 1) I never agreed w/ him 2) my religious beliefs do play a part in this discussion, just as everyone elses' 3) this issue can only be solved by the Church & ultimately God, Gods' viewpoint is what will & only will solve this problem 4) It is not mine, Zacks, or anyone to "label" someone, even if they have a reason. The objective here is not to see wether or not this site will start a holy war, it is because I want to know the answer top an issue that is plaugeing everyone, whether they like it or not. If you can only post on this site to lable or criticize then bugger off and create a place for that if the ppl running this site will let you. Zack has his right to his viewpoint no matter how "ignorant" or "intelligent" it seems. I'm not going to let friends fight over something just because someone said the wrong thing. Now I am not asking for apologies or anything but if this is going to end up being a pointless chuckfest then all I can say is don't post at all

05-02-2006, 03:44 PM	#40
Inferno Dragon Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Planet Draco Gender: Posts: 5,948 Thanks: 52 Thanked 33 Times in 26 Posts Points: 34,692.42 Bank: 22,322.06 Total Points: 57,014.48 Donate	well back to my original post, I think Gay marrage should be allowed on the grounds that Gays should have the rights of everyone else.