evil missionaries

Inferno Dragon · 05-01-2006, 11:07 AM

a group of misionaries in the Democratic Republic of Congo have started a witch hunt over there in Africa, and it's the children that are suffering the most. these "messengers of God" are forcing accused children to swallow acid, gasoline and other nasty toxins in order to make them "throw up the evil". I am appauled by this gross abuse of power and the vile abuse of these children.
I wish I could stop them somehow! I have always hated witch hunters who are so blinded by their zeal that they don't see what evil they are doing. hell I hate witch hunters period! damn those bastards! here's the article:

Across the Democratic Republic of the Congo, thousands of girls and boys, as young as 4 years old, are accused by christian leaders, missionarys and their familys of practicing witchcraft. They are then abused, abandoned and, in most cases, scarred for life.

It's the latest addition to a long list of christian caused atrocities committed against children in this forgotten 5-year-old civil war.

"They tried to make me swallow the acid," said Kabila, now 13. She is softvoiced and so shy that she won't look you in the eyes. Moments later, she said, "I'm not even a witch."

In a society that still believes that evil spirits bring misfortune, children are easy to blame for lost jobs, failed crops and other economic and personal problems. But two factors are contributing to the growth of the problem: the disruption of traditional family life caused by the ongoing war against their pagan beliefs and the surge in revivalist churches whose preachers rail against Satan and witches as the causes of all their woes.

In some cases, children have been branded witches simply for playfully talking to a strip of wood or for having bad dreams and telling about it to one of the good people of jezus.

There is no tally of the number of children accused of being witches. Estimates state that at least 60 percent of the children in its child abuse shelters in the capital, Kinshasa, have faced the accusations of being a childhood witch.

Once accused, the children often endure painful exorcisms by fiery revivalist christian preachers who force them to drink and swallow gasoline, bitter herbs or small fish so that they will vomit out their "evils." Or they are forced from their homes onto the streets, where they are exploited, raped or killed.

The lucky ones find their way to child abuse shelters, though some are very psychologically battered.

Okenge's plight is typical. Her father abandoned her when her mother died of tuberculosis in 1999, she went to live with her siblings. In June, one of her sisters caught typhoid and checked into the hospital. There, a christian revivalist preacher making the hospital rounds prayed for her recovery. Then the christian revivalist preacher said: "Your sister is coming after you."

The preacher's words were enough to sway Okenge's relatives. They convened a meeting of the entire extended family.

"The whole family asked me to accept that I was a witch," Okenge said. "I kept refusing. ... I was asked, who is my witchcraft teacher?"

The night of the meeting, she said, she was beaten and forced to sleep in the living room. Her sisters locked their bedroom doors. Four days later, they kicked her out of the house. She went to stay at a neighbor's. Then her hospitalized sister died. The nervous neighbor kicked Okenge out.

After a more days and nights living on Bukavu's muddy streets and alleys, she finally arrived on the doorstep of a pagan run child abuse center to heal herself.

**Dr. Horrible** · 05-01-2006, 11:30 AM

Is nothing being done to stop this?

Inferno Dragon · 05-01-2006, 11:45 AM

no, nothing is being done about this!

**Wyborn** · 05-01-2006, 07:03 PM

Sounds horrific, but...what's your source on this?

Inferno Dragon · 05-01-2006, 07:09 PM

I lost the address but I can google it up to find it again

***ZeldaGirl*** · 05-01-2006, 07:45 PM

Then do so.

Inferno Dragon · 05-01-2006, 08:12 PM

okay, this isn't the exact article but these are two articles from BBC news that are on the same topic.

article 1
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/2660757.stm

article 2
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/575178.stm

and the exact article can be found here

http://groups.msn.com/PagansLair/pag...68649191640105

Nojoy · 05-02-2006, 06:40 AM

all missionaries are evil IMO

**Dr. Horrible** · 05-02-2006, 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nojoy

all missionaries are evil IMO

Then you have no idea what evil is.

Platinum · 05-02-2006, 08:39 AM

^agreed

Inferno Dragon · 05-02-2006, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deku Trii

Then you have no idea what evil is.

true, evil takes many forms. it just happened to take the form of child abusing missionaries in this case. that's not to say that all missionaries are evil, but this group which I will refer to as the "witch hunters" are truely evil.

of corse I've always viewed witch hunters (medevil or ortherwise) as pure evil because of the pain and suffering they inflict on innocents, which can sometimes be fatal in the case of burnings. men, women, children, it doesn't matter to them, once they see someone as a "witch" they are blinded by their zeal and seek to inflict tortures upon those branded as "witches". it makes me sick!

**Dr. Horrible** · 05-02-2006, 12:29 PM

Oh, I wasn't talking to you, ID. I didn't think you were implying all missionaries are evil. You seem to recognize the difference between missionaries who torture people and those who provide food, medicine, clothes, and education.

Legion · 05-02-2006, 12:29 PM

There's no such things as an evil person. Even Hitler must have loved his wife. Even Dtalin loved his children. You can perform evil actions, but an 'evil person' suggests that that person is evil 24/7 for their entire life.

Evil beings are fictional constructs.

To simply call someone 'evil' is to miss the point. If you just call someone' evil', then you're not exploring why they turned out this way. You're just classifying them with a broad label and trying to portray them as some one-off abberation.

That said, these guys are brainless, stupid, cruel gits. But what with the chaotic stage the Congo tends to exist in, I doubt this'll be sorted out soon.

Nojoy · 05-02-2006, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deku Trii

Then you have no idea what evil is.

spreading religiousity among the fuzzy-wuzzys has caused more cases of AIDS in Africa than any other phenomenon in history that comes to mind.

telling uneducated people to do as you do cuz if they dont, they'll burn in hell is taking advantage, and thats evil

Nojoy · 05-02-2006, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Legion

There's no such things as an evil person. Even Hitler must have loved his wife. Even Dtalin loved his children. You can perform evil actions, but an 'evil person' suggests that that person is evil 24/7 for their entire life.

Evil beings are fictional constructs.

To simply call someone 'evil' is to miss the point. If you just call someone' evil', then you're not exploring why they turned out this way. You're just classifying them with a broad label and trying to portray them as some one-off abberation.

That said, these guys are brainless, stupid, cruel gits. But what with the chaotic stage the Congo tends to exist in, I doubt this'll be sorted out soon.

its a turn of phrase

Inferno Dragon · 05-02-2006, 03:40 PM

I must step in and say that yes the missionaries that are in the congo doing these awful deplorible deeds in the name of which god was it? Odin? no. Amon Ra? noo. Shiva (or any of the hundreds of Hindu gods)? noo. was it alah? nope but it's close. was it the Christian God? ding ding ding! we have a winner!

just more proof that people do more evil deeds in the name of the Christian God than any other.

Sir Dark, The Hunter · 05-02-2006, 03:44 PM

To do something in the name of God & by the will of God are comepletely different!

& aren't you forgetting all of those sacrafices to the Aztec & Inca Gods & Godesses

Inferno Dragon · 05-02-2006, 03:48 PM

^ paying tribute to a god and comitting an evil act in the name of a god are two seperate things.

the Aztec, Maya, and Inca were paying tribute to their gods and the sacrafices went willingly.

these missionaries on the other hand are forcing their will on others by commiting these vile acts against the children of the area.

Sir Dark, The Hunter · 05-02-2006, 03:59 PM

there is still unnecessary death from the unwilling

Yes, there is pain being brought to these children but if you have read the sources, you may recall that it was the children's parents who were referring to these children as witches & demanding these exoercisms, not the church

The church can only do what the parents ask in this case

As for the preacher & the missionaries, yes they are going overboard, enough said. There is a difference between exorcisms & open torture, but the sad thing is is that these tortures seem to be more out of oppressing the weak, not in helping those in need

That's where the problem is Inferno, if the ppl there really cared & saw something wrong, they would do something about it, but they aren't. For whatever reason, they are either too blind to care or just simply are helping with the tortures

children sadly don't get many rights, & that is what makes them even easier to place blame on

yopu can't just blame the missionaries, you must also blame the parents for wanting this doe to begin w/

Legion · 05-02-2006, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nojoy

its a turn of phrase

"It is an arrow shot into the air."

05-01-2006, 11:07 AM	#1
Inferno Dragon Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Planet Draco Gender: Posts: 5,948 Thanks: 52 Thanked 33 Times in 26 Posts Points: 34,692.42 Bank: 22,322.06 Total Points: 57,014.48 Donate	evil missionaries a group of misionaries in the Democratic Republic of Congo have started a witch hunt over there in Africa, and it's the children that are suffering the most. these "messengers of God" are forcing accused children to swallow acid, gasoline and other nasty toxins in order to make them "throw up the evil". I am appauled by this gross abuse of power and the vile abuse of these children. I wish I could stop them somehow! I have always hated witch hunters who are so blinded by their zeal that they don't see what evil they are doing. hell I hate witch hunters period! damn those bastards! here's the article: Across the Democratic Republic of the Congo, thousands of girls and boys, as young as 4 years old, are accused by christian leaders, missionarys and their familys of practicing witchcraft. They are then abused, abandoned and, in most cases, scarred for life. It's the latest addition to a long list of christian caused atrocities committed against children in this forgotten 5-year-old civil war. "They tried to make me swallow the acid," said Kabila, now 13. She is softvoiced and so shy that she won't look you in the eyes. Moments later, she said, "I'm not even a witch." In a society that still believes that evil spirits bring misfortune, children are easy to blame for lost jobs, failed crops and other economic and personal problems. But two factors are contributing to the growth of the problem: the disruption of traditional family life caused by the ongoing war against their pagan beliefs and the surge in revivalist churches whose preachers rail against Satan and witches as the causes of all their woes. In some cases, children have been branded witches simply for playfully talking to a strip of wood or for having bad dreams and telling about it to one of the good people of jezus. There is no tally of the number of children accused of being witches. Estimates state that at least 60 percent of the children in its child abuse shelters in the capital, Kinshasa, have faced the accusations of being a childhood witch. Once accused, the children often endure painful exorcisms by fiery revivalist christian preachers who force them to drink and swallow gasoline, bitter herbs or small fish so that they will vomit out their "evils." Or they are forced from their homes onto the streets, where they are exploited, raped or killed. The lucky ones find their way to child abuse shelters, though some are very psychologically battered. Okenge's plight is typical. Her father abandoned her when her mother died of tuberculosis in 1999, she went to live with her siblings. In June, one of her sisters caught typhoid and checked into the hospital. There, a christian revivalist preacher making the hospital rounds prayed for her recovery. Then the christian revivalist preacher said: "Your sister is coming after you." The preacher's words were enough to sway Okenge's relatives. They convened a meeting of the entire extended family. "The whole family asked me to accept that I was a witch," Okenge said. "I kept refusing. ... I was asked, who is my witchcraft teacher?" The night of the meeting, she said, she was beaten and forced to sleep in the living room. Her sisters locked their bedroom doors. Four days later, they kicked her out of the house. She went to stay at a neighbor's. Then her hospitalized sister died. The nervous neighbor kicked Okenge out. After a more days and nights living on Bukavu's muddy streets and alleys, she finally arrived on the doorstep of a pagan run child abuse center to heal herself.

05-01-2006, 11:30 AM	#2
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05-01-2006, 07:03 PM	#4
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05-01-2006, 07:09 PM	#5
Inferno Dragon Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Planet Draco Gender: Posts: 5,948 Thanks: 52 Thanked 33 Times in 26 Posts Points: 34,692.42 Bank: 22,322.06 Total Points: 57,014.48 Donate	I lost the address but I can google it up to find it again

05-01-2006, 07:45 PM	#6
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05-01-2006, 08:12 PM	#7
Inferno Dragon Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Planet Draco Gender: Posts: 5,948 Thanks: 52 Thanked 33 Times in 26 Posts Points: 34,692.42 Bank: 22,322.06 Total Points: 57,014.48 Donate	okay, this isn't the exact article but these are two articles from BBC news that are on the same topic. article 1 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/2660757.stm article 2 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/575178.stm and the exact article can be found here http://groups.msn.com/PagansLair/pag...68649191640105

05-02-2006, 06:40 AM	#8
Nojoy Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Wouldn't you like to know Gender: Posts: 90 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 1,989.66 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 2,489.66 Donate	all missionaries are evil IMO

05-02-2006, 08:39 AM	#10
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05-02-2006, 12:29 PM	#12
Dr. Horrible PP&R Mod Current Events Mod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: More important than where is when.... Gender: Posts: 6,545 Thanks: 112 Thanked 412 Times in 278 Posts Points: 3,956.20 Bank: 2,566,913.15 Total Points: 2,570,869.35 Donate	Oh, I wasn't talking to you, ID. I didn't think you were implying all missionaries are evil. You seem to recognize the difference between missionaries who torture people and those who provide food, medicine, clothes, and education.

05-02-2006, 12:29 PM	#13
Legion Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Greater Mancester, UK Gender: Posts: 1,860 Thanks: 10 Thanked 16 Times in 11 Posts Points: 8,040.29 Bank: 6,647.77 Total Points: 14,688.06 Donate	There's no such things as an evil person. Even Hitler must have loved his wife. Even Dtalin loved his children. You can perform evil actions, but an 'evil person' suggests that that person is evil 24/7 for their entire life. Evil beings are fictional constructs. To simply call someone 'evil' is to miss the point. If you just call someone' evil', then you're not exploring why they turned out this way. You're just classifying them with a broad label and trying to portray them as some one-off abberation. That said, these guys are brainless, stupid, cruel gits. But what with the chaotic stage the Congo tends to exist in, I doubt this'll be sorted out soon.

05-02-2006, 03:40 PM	#16
Inferno Dragon Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Planet Draco Gender: Posts: 5,948 Thanks: 52 Thanked 33 Times in 26 Posts Points: 34,692.42 Bank: 22,322.06 Total Points: 57,014.48 Donate	I must step in and say that yes the missionaries that are in the congo doing these awful deplorible deeds in the name of which god was it? Odin? no. Amon Ra? noo. Shiva (or any of the hundreds of Hindu gods)? noo. was it alah? nope but it's close. was it the Christian God? ding ding ding! we have a winner! just more proof that people do more evil deeds in the name of the Christian God than any other.

05-02-2006, 03:44 PM	#17
Sir Dark, The Hunter Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Don't know, don't care Gender: Posts: 172 Thanks: 5 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post Points: 10,613.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 11,113.00 Donate	To do something in the name of God & by the will of God are comepletely different! & aren't you forgetting all of those sacrafices to the Aztec & Inca Gods & Godesses

05-02-2006, 03:48 PM	#18
Inferno Dragon Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Planet Draco Gender: Posts: 5,948 Thanks: 52 Thanked 33 Times in 26 Posts Points: 34,692.42 Bank: 22,322.06 Total Points: 57,014.48 Donate	^ paying tribute to a god and comitting an evil act in the name of a god are two seperate things. the Aztec, Maya, and Inca were paying tribute to their gods and the sacrafices went willingly. these missionaries on the other hand are forcing their will on others by commiting these vile acts against the children of the area.

05-02-2006, 03:59 PM	#19
Sir Dark, The Hunter Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Don't know, don't care Gender: Posts: 172 Thanks: 5 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post Points: 10,613.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 11,113.00 Donate	there is still unnecessary death from the unwilling Yes, there is pain being brought to these children but if you have read the sources, you may recall that it was the children's parents who were referring to these children as witches & demanding these exoercisms, not the church The church can only do what the parents ask in this case As for the preacher & the missionaries, yes they are going overboard, enough said. There is a difference between exorcisms & open torture, but the sad thing is is that these tortures seem to be more out of oppressing the weak, not in helping those in need That's where the problem is Inferno, if the ppl there really cared & saw something wrong, they would do something about it, but they aren't. For whatever reason, they are either too blind to care or just simply are helping with the tortures children sadly don't get many rights, & that is what makes them even easier to place blame on yopu can't just blame the missionaries, you must also blame the parents for wanting this doe to begin w/