People don't worship God... - Page 2 - VGF

**Prince Toad** · 08-17-2006, 03:11 PM

^^Yeah, except, you know, Catholicism. That little fringe sect.

Link2000 · 08-17-2006, 03:26 PM

Catholicism in today's day and age is much more liberal than many of the "Bible Belt" churches.

Koga · 08-17-2006, 04:54 PM

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Christianity is way different. For one...people can get to heaven...through the grace of God.

That's not what sets Christianity apart from Judaism and Islam. Jesus is the most important difference. To Christians he is the Messiah and the reason people get to Heaven who accept him.

Didn't think I needed to point this out to a Christian.

**Prince Toad** · 08-18-2006, 12:33 AM

^^Uh... okay. I was pointing out that salvation by faith rather than good works, which is what he was talking about, is only a Protestant belief. I don't know what liberalism has to do with anything.

Lord_Zack · 08-18-2006, 09:47 AM

Being good is extremely difficult, yes. And no human except Jesus is perfect. Even the nearly perfect ones in history have made mistakes.

***CaptHayfever*** · 08-18-2006, 11:20 AM

Right, but the point I was making is that being good and being perfect are not the same thing.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Lord_Zack · 08-18-2006, 11:37 AM

Catholiscism has alot of beliefs that are odd when you compare them to what is found in the Bible. They are hardly a fringe sect, but they are hardly an indicator of what's actually in the Bible.

**Prince Toad** · 08-18-2006, 01:08 PM

I'm not certain, but I think that Matthew has something about good works being necessary to get into heaven, and... some other book talks about salvation by faith alone. When Luther translated the Bible, he left out Matthew because that passage (and maybe a few others) interfered with his interpretation. So, both points of view are in the Bible. Not that the Bible ever contradicts itself or anything.

Princess Zelda of Hyrule · 08-28-2006, 10:24 PM

If someone worships God in a tent while I worship God in a church, we have the same God. If someone's God tells her to blow up innocent people, I worship no god of hers.

Alph · 09-04-2006, 06:53 PM

The problem with religion is that the descendants of whoever joins the religion get brainwashed into thinking that the religion is THE absolute right way of viewing the truth, and that everyone who isn't in that religion is in some way wrong. This prevents willions of people from making there own interpretation of reality. I feel that if more people were allowed to make choices on their own, and less people were brainwashed from birth by religion, there would be less zealotry in the world, and alot less people justifing evil deeds (that they KNOW are evil) for the sake of their particular religion (or more accurately, the people who use said religion to brainwash the people into doing what they want).

Princess Zelda of Hyrule · 09-05-2006, 10:19 AM

^Yes and no. Yes, we need to think for ourselves. But we have to accept certain limits from our nurture. Humanity at its most primitive is warlike: compassionate toward its own kind, but hostile toward strangers. In fact, "brainwashing" (i.e. civilization) suppresses our tribal instinct.

Yes, some tribal cultures are peaceful, but only because they raise their children to value peace.

Inferno Dragon · 11-15-2006, 08:35 PM

now I myself am a methodist, and methodists are the most liberal branch of christianity, this is fact because I asked a methodist preacher about this. anyone, of ANY religion (Wicca, ancients, pagans, Hinduists, Budists, muslims, jewish, catholics, voodooists, satanists, and even if your gay/lesbian) can worship what they believe at any United Methodist Church. and this allows us to open ourselves to new ideas. we don't force our religion on others like some branches of christianity *cough*evangilists*cough* and you know what, I love my religion.

but to the point of this post, a group of evangelical christian preachers came up to my university campus and started in on their whole "holier than thou" bit saying that we were all sinners and that unless we gave up video games and TV and the internet and completely devoted our lives to God then we would go to hell. then they said that Methodists were false christians because we are all inclusive.
the actual statement they used was "It's a shame that methodists have become all inclusive." I was furious at that statement so I had to step in and speak out against them, but of course they interrupted me at every point I tried to make against them and this caused the gathered croud to speak out with me.

... stupid discrimitory evangilists.

Bomby · 11-15-2006, 08:52 PM

^ I attended my cousin's confirmation at the United Methodist Church he goes to, and I must say, I found it to be much more pleasant than the Lutheran and Catholic services I had attended growing up. The pastor's whole sermon was about acceptance.

baphomet22 · 11-25-2006, 01:51 AM

mankind either is afraid of or indulges itself in the unknown. a "soul" is merely a poor atempt to describe the difference between the body and mind. people who are affiliated with any organized religion whose primary idol is some kind of omnipotent being are indulging themselves in the seemingly inexplicable because right now no one can actually provide solid evidence as to why we are here or how we got here.

***CaptHayfever*** · 11-25-2006, 04:37 AM

What do you mean we're indulging ourselves in the seemingly inexplicable?

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Chunky Kong12345 · 11-25-2006, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Inferno Dragon

now I myself am a methodist, and methodists are the most liberal branch of christianity, this is fact because I asked a methodist preacher about this. anyone, of ANY religion (Wicca, ancients, pagans, Hinduists, Budists, muslims, jewish, catholics, voodooists, satanists, and even if your gay/lesbian) can worship what they believe at any United Methodist Church. and this allows us to open ourselves to new ideas. we don't force our religion on others like some branches of christianity *cough*evangilists*cough* and you know what, I love my religion.

but to the point of this post, a group of evangelical christian preachers came up to my university campus and started in on their whole "holier than thou" bit saying that we were all sinners and that unless we gave up video games and TV and the internet and completely devoted our lives to God then we would go to hell. then they said that Methodists were false christians because we are all inclusive.
the actual statement they used was "It's a shame that methodists have become all inclusive." I was furious at that statement so I had to step in and speak out against them, but of course they interrupted me at every point I tried to make against them and this caused the gathered croud to speak out with me.

... stupid discrimitory evangilists.

When the **** did being gay/lesbian become a religion?

Kae · 11-27-2006, 02:15 PM

^ Because our bodies are our temples. *devilish grin*
I'm pretty sure he was referring to the fact that some churches won't let you worship in their facility if you are openly homosexual.

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Originally Posted by baphomet22

people who are affiliated with any organized religion whose primary idol is some kind of omnipotent being are indulging themselves in the seemingly inexplicable because right now no one can actually provide solid evidence as to why we are here or how we got here.

Why not? I don't think we're gonna suddenly discover why we're truly here anytime soon. Using the term of indulgence makes it sound as though it's bad that one would want answers in a life full of difficult questions.

08-17-2006, 03:11 PM	#21
Prince Toad PC Mod Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Rookery Gender: Posts: 11,402 Thanks: 43 Thanked 56 Times in 47 Posts Points: 43,220.57 Bank: 18,304.68 Total Points: 61,525.25 Donate	^^Yeah, except, you know, Catholicism. That little fringe sect.

08-17-2006, 03:26 PM	#22
Link2000 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Ontario, Canada Gender: Posts: 8,052 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 15,800.15 Bank: 804.22 Total Points: 16,604.37 Donate	Catholicism in today's day and age is much more liberal than many of the "Bible Belt" churches.

08-18-2006, 12:33 AM	#24
Prince Toad PC Mod Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Rookery Gender: Posts: 11,402 Thanks: 43 Thanked 56 Times in 47 Posts Points: 43,220.57 Bank: 18,304.68 Total Points: 61,525.25 Donate	^^Uh... okay. I was pointing out that salvation by faith rather than good works, which is what he was talking about, is only a Protestant belief. I don't know what liberalism has to do with anything.

08-18-2006, 09:47 AM	#25
Lord_Zack Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Gender: Posts: 752 Thanks: 22 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts Points: 11,850.55 Bank: 2,539.69 Total Points: 14,390.24 Donate	Being good is extremely difficult, yes. And no human except Jesus is perfect. Even the nearly perfect ones in history have made mistakes.

08-18-2006, 11:20 AM	#26
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08-18-2006, 11:37 AM	#27
Lord_Zack Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Gender: Posts: 752 Thanks: 22 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts Points: 11,850.55 Bank: 2,539.69 Total Points: 14,390.24 Donate	Catholiscism has alot of beliefs that are odd when you compare them to what is found in the Bible. They are hardly a fringe sect, but they are hardly an indicator of what's actually in the Bible.

08-18-2006, 01:08 PM	#28
Prince Toad PC Mod Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Rookery Gender: Posts: 11,402 Thanks: 43 Thanked 56 Times in 47 Posts Points: 43,220.57 Bank: 18,304.68 Total Points: 61,525.25 Donate	I'm not certain, but I think that Matthew has something about good works being necessary to get into heaven, and... some other book talks about salvation by faith alone. When Luther translated the Bible, he left out Matthew because that passage (and maybe a few others) interfered with his interpretation. So, both points of view are in the Bible. Not that the Bible ever contradicts itself or anything.

08-28-2006, 10:24 PM	#29
Princess Zelda of Hyrule Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Hyrule Castle Gender: Posts: 6,128 Thanks: 35 Thanked 14 Times in 10 Posts Points: 6,484.36 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 6,984.36 Donate	If someone worships God in a tent while I worship God in a church, we have the same God. If someone's God tells her to blow up innocent people, I worship no god of hers.

09-04-2006, 06:53 PM	#30
Alph Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: MWAHAHAHHAHAHAAAA!!!ha. Gender: Posts: 1,294 Thanks: 21 Thanked 8 Times in 4 Posts Points: 12,868.64 Bank: 729.69 Total Points: 13,598.33 Donate	The problem with religion is that the descendants of whoever joins the religion get brainwashed into thinking that the religion is THE absolute right way of viewing the truth, and that everyone who isn't in that religion is in some way wrong. This prevents willions of people from making there own interpretation of reality. I feel that if more people were allowed to make choices on their own, and less people were brainwashed from birth by religion, there would be less zealotry in the world, and alot less people justifing evil deeds (that they KNOW are evil) for the sake of their particular religion (or more accurately, the people who use said religion to brainwash the people into doing what they want).

09-05-2006, 10:19 AM	#31
Princess Zelda of Hyrule Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Hyrule Castle Gender: Posts: 6,128 Thanks: 35 Thanked 14 Times in 10 Posts Points: 6,484.36 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 6,984.36 Donate	^Yes and no. Yes, we need to think for ourselves. But we have to accept certain limits from our nurture. Humanity at its most primitive is warlike: compassionate toward its own kind, but hostile toward strangers. In fact, "brainwashing" (i.e. civilization) suppresses our tribal instinct. Yes, some tribal cultures are peaceful, but only because they raise their children to value peace.

11-15-2006, 08:35 PM	#32
Inferno Dragon Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Planet Draco Gender: Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 48 Thanked 31 Times in 24 Posts Points: 32,501.39 Bank: 18,311.86 Total Points: 50,813.25 Donate	now I myself am a methodist, and methodists are the most liberal branch of christianity, this is fact because I asked a methodist preacher about this. anyone, of ANY religion (Wicca, ancients, pagans, Hinduists, Budists, muslims, jewish, catholics, voodooists, satanists, and even if your gay/lesbian) can worship what they believe at any United Methodist Church. and this allows us to open ourselves to new ideas. we don't force our religion on others like some branches of christianity coughevangilistscough and you know what, I love my religion. but to the point of this post, a group of evangelical christian preachers came up to my university campus and started in on their whole "holier than thou" bit saying that we were all sinners and that unless we gave up video games and TV and the internet and completely devoted our lives to God then we would go to hell. then they said that Methodists were false christians because we are all inclusive. the actual statement they used was "It's a shame that methodists have become all inclusive." I was furious at that statement so I had to step in and speak out against them, but of course they interrupted me at every point I tried to make against them and this caused the gathered croud to speak out with me. ... stupid discrimitory evangilists.

11-15-2006, 08:52 PM	#33
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11-25-2006, 01:51 AM	#34
baphomet22 Newbie Join Date: Nov 2006 Gender: Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 2,576.17 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 2,576.17 Donate	mankind either is afraid of or indulges itself in the unknown. a "soul" is merely a poor atempt to describe the difference between the body and mind. people who are affiliated with any organized religion whose primary idol is some kind of omnipotent being are indulging themselves in the seemingly inexplicable because right now no one can actually provide solid evidence as to why we are here or how we got here.

11-25-2006, 04:37 AM	#35
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