Intelligant design

Bartman101 · 08-14-2006, 09:37 AM

How do you think the world came to be?
Do you think it was intelligant design.
Or science

Honestly i think that the world was made by intelligant design.

DELICIOUS POISON · 08-14-2006, 11:29 AM

How ironic for you to misspell the word 'intelligent'. This is a pretty basic topic. I'm of the belief that it's absurd to choose sides on something we basically know nothing about.

Bartman101 · 08-14-2006, 12:06 PM

Man your one of them how come senoirs and vetrans always worry more about the spelling.

***CaptHayfever*** · 08-14-2006, 12:57 PM

^Because we're more intelligant.

Intelligent design is basically strict creationism, but with the possibility of aliens instead of God. Basically a total cop-out theory.

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In his encyclical Humani Generis (1950), my predecessor Pius XII has already affirmed that there is no conflict between evolution and the doctrine of the faith regarding man and his vocation, provided that we do not lose sight of certain fixed points....Today, more than a half-century after the appearance of that encyclical, some new findings lead us toward the recognition of evolution as more than an hypothesis. In fact it is remarkable that this theory has had progressively greater influence on the spirit of researchers, following a series of discoveries in different scholarly disciplines. The convergence in the results of these independent studies -- which was neither planned nor sought -- constitutes in itself a significant argument in favor of the theory.

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The Bible itself speaks to us of the origin of the universe and its make-up, not in order to provide us with a scientific treatise, but in order to state the correct relationships of man with God and with the universe. Sacred Scripture wishes simply to declare that the world was created by God, and in order to teach this truth it expresses itself in the terms of the cosmology in use at the time of the writer. The Sacred Book likewise wishes to tell men that the world was not created as the seat of the gods, as was taught by other cosmogonies and cosmologies, but was rather created for the service of man and the glory of God. Any other teaching about the origin and make-up of the universe is alien to the intentions of the Bible, which does not wish to teach how heaven was made but how one goes to heaven.

~John Paul II (both quotes)

When the freakin' Pope is cool with evolution, I think it's a safe bet that the theory holds water.

And remember, "This is NOT the same as this."

***Ace Mercury*** · 08-14-2006, 01:01 PM

^^ Spelling and grammar is an easy-to-check litmus test for intelligence and overall mindfulness. I mean, if you can't remember a vocabulary of a couple thousand words or bother to run a spellcheck, do you really expect your voice to be held as highly as someone who can recongnize misspellings and double-check their words? It's (perhaps) a sad truth of life that other people not only notice to your thoughts, but the words you use to convey them. Consider an analogy: why do people care about expensive cars? A cheap car will still get you places, and they totally save on gas.

I think one of the reasons that intelligent design is so popular is that it's written intelligently. It uses those scientific words to propose a wholy unscientific thesis. And, who wouldn't want to believe something that implies that you're intelligent? Admittedly, I don't know much about ID though, aside from the obvious.

Kae · 08-14-2006, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Ace Mercury

recongnize

Haha.

Really, using proper spelling, punctuation, and grammar is one step further towards being taken seriously. In certain situations, certain language is expected. You wouldn't think much of the President if he used ebonics when addressing the nation. (Well, you might not think much of him anyway, but whatever.)

shelty87 · 08-14-2006, 10:32 PM

well, i would have to say i agree w/ the spelling topic (even if i choose not to abide by it), but i agree w/ neither intelligent design nor evolution. i believe in creation, but, since im a realist, i tend to stay open to others opinions.

Bomby · 08-15-2006, 01:40 AM

I believe in inelegant design. We are cheaply produced.

DELICIOUS POISON · 08-15-2006, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bartman619

Man your one of them how come senoirs and vetrans always worry more about the spelling.

I spell just as well now as I did when I was 10. Get real. Or at least get a 3rd-grade education.

To bolster any argument: You wouldn't even be using words like that to describe your beliefs if someone hadn't suggested it.

Lurch1982 · 08-16-2006, 01:03 AM

The simple fact that you can't spell "intelligent" correctly says wonders about you, the intelligent design movement, and the people that believe in intelligent design. In other words, none of the above is actually intelligent.

Koga · 08-16-2006, 03:35 AM

It's not only the misspelling that makes him look like an idiot, though.

First he asks if Intelligent Design is how the world came to be (while as far as I know, it's only trying to 'explain' life on earth). Then he asks if you think science created the world

Bartman101 · 08-16-2006, 08:43 AM

Ok back on topic,how do we even know that the world was made by science?
Maybe god did make the earth,or we're just a strange coincidence.
No amount of science can prove how the earth was made,unless they have some sort of time machine that can let them see when the earth came to be.
There how did i do on that sentence?
I put the grammar and everything.

***Ace Mercury*** · 08-16-2006, 10:12 AM

Well, personally, I don't believe intelligent design offers anything as a theory. Evolution is a verifyable, testable theory. Intelligent design, short of finding the designer, is not.

First off, science does not make the world. Nature and law create the world; science is the study of the laws of nature. Science relies on thesis -> experiment/evidence -> generally accepted fact. Nothing is really 'proven' in science; this isn't mathematics where you can rely on axioms (things you just say are true). While you can't necessarily travel back in time to witness the creation of Earth, you can witness the creation of planets in distant solar systems. You can create simulations, that follow the laws of gravity and matter that you and everyone believe in, which result in an Earth. You can witness the micro-evolution of pepper moths, and show that a population under stress does adapt within a few decades. You can put forward a theory, and then prop it up with verifyable, reproducable evidence. I find this believable, but understand there may be more factors.

Intelligent design doesn't have the hallmarks of something that you can research, experiment, or prove. It's just, hey, look at all this stuff; it's too complex to understand, so it must be made by something really intelligent (Possibly God? Who knows.) The 'proofs' aren't really proofs, they're just possible theories that can't really be verified. Can you perform an experiment or come up with something to support Irreducible Complexity?

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Originally Posted by bartman619

I put the grammar and everything.

VGF Forums: We put the grammar and everything.

Koga · 08-16-2006, 11:17 AM

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VGF Forums: We put the grammar and everything.

Quote of the year.

Bartman101 · 08-16-2006, 11:50 AM

God,I hate it when people do that, way to go ace!

**Prince Toad** · 08-16-2006, 12:13 PM

^Rectified. Alright.

DELICIOUS POISON · 08-16-2006, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bartman619

God,I hate it when people do that, way to go ace!

Congratulations! You used commas! Honestly, this one's a major improvement. Try and always put a space after a comma.

Honestly, scientists don't suggest that they know how everything came to be. They investigate theories. They're not in the habit of fabricating the truth, or even declaring theirselves victorious in an argument that is otherwise moot.

**Dr. Horrible** · 08-16-2006, 02:29 PM

Science works by experiments. It watches how things behave. Every scientific statement in the long run, however compliated it looks, really means something like, 'I pointed the telescope to such and such a part of the sky at 2:20 a.m. on January 15th and saw so-and-so,' or, 'I put some of this stuff in a pot and heated it to such-and-such a temperature and it did so-and-so.' Do not think I am saying anything against science: I am only saying what its job is. And the more scientific a man is, the more (I believe) he would agree with me that this is the job of science-and a very useful and necessary job it is too. But why anything comes to be there at all, and whether there is anything behind what science observes--something of a different kind--this is not a scientific question. If there is 'Something Behind', then either it will have to remain altogether unknown to men or else make itself known in some different way. The statement that there is any such thing, and the statement that there is no such thing, are neither of them statements that science can make. And real scientists do not usually make them. It is usually the journalists and popular novelists who have picked up a few odds and ends of half-baked science from textbooks who go in for them. After all, it really is a matter of common sense. Supposing science ever became complete so that it knew every single thing in the whole universe. Is it not plain that the questions, 'Why is there a universe?' 'Why does it go on as it does?' 'Has it any meaning?' would remain just as they were?

-C.S. Lewis

Bartman101 · 08-17-2006, 10:29 AM

Ow,My head hurts.

**Dr. Horrible** · 08-17-2006, 12:20 PM

Funny. I end up feeling that way about a lot of your posts.

08-14-2006, 09:37 AM	#1
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08-16-2006, 11:50 AM	#15
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08-16-2006, 12:13 PM	#16
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08-16-2006, 02:29 PM	#18
Dr. Horrible PP&R Mod Current Events Mod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: More important than where is when.... Gender: Posts: 6,505 Thanks: 111 Thanked 405 Times in 274 Posts Points: 2,826.25 Bank: 2,371,430.97 Total Points: 2,374,257.22 Donate	Intelligent design is lame Science works by experiments. It watches how things behave. Every scientific statement in the long run, however compliated it looks, really means something like, 'I pointed the telescope to such and such a part of the sky at 2:20 a.m. on January 15th and saw so-and-so,' or, 'I put some of this stuff in a pot and heated it to such-and-such a temperature and it did so-and-so.' Do not think I am saying anything against science: I am only saying what its job is. And the more scientific a man is, the more (I believe) he would agree with me that this is the job of science-and a very useful and necessary job it is too. But why anything comes to be there at all, and whether there is anything behind what science observes--something of a different kind--this is not a scientific question. If there is 'Something Behind', then either it will have to remain altogether unknown to men or else make itself known in some different way. The statement that there is any such thing, and the statement that there is no such thing, are neither of them statements that science can make. And real scientists do not usually make them. It is usually the journalists and popular novelists who have picked up a few odds and ends of half-baked science from textbooks who go in for them. After all, it really is a matter of common sense. Supposing science ever became complete so that it knew every single thing in the whole universe. Is it not plain that the questions, 'Why is there a universe?' 'Why does it go on as it does?' 'Has it any meaning?' would remain just as they were? -C.S. Lewis

08-14-2006, 11:29 AM	#2
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08-14-2006, 12:06 PM	#3
Bartman101 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: I'm Bartman, ya fool Gender: Posts: 5,869 Thanks: 386 Thanked 126 Times in 102 Posts Blog Entries: 1 Points: 4,810.86 Bank: 58,061.97 Total Points: 62,872.83 Donate	Man your one of them how come senoirs and vetrans always worry more about the spelling.

08-14-2006, 01:01 PM	#5
*Ace Mercury* Marshmallow Knight ☆ Supermod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Southern Ontario Gender: Posts: 18,997 Thanks: 364 Thanked 1,533 Times in 793 Posts Blog Entries: 1 Points: 103,107.07 Bank: 15,171,716.36 Total Points: 15,274,823.43 Donate	^^ Spelling and grammar is an easy-to-check litmus test for intelligence and overall mindfulness. I mean, if you can't remember a vocabulary of a couple thousand words or bother to run a spellcheck, do you really expect your voice to be held as highly as someone who can recongnize misspellings and double-check their words? It's (perhaps) a sad truth of life that other people not only notice to your thoughts, but the words you use to convey them. Consider an analogy: why do people care about expensive cars? A cheap car will still get you places, and they totally save on gas. I think one of the reasons that intelligent design is so popular is that it's written intelligently. It uses those scientific words to propose a wholy unscientific thesis. And, who wouldn't want to believe something that implies that you're intelligent? Admittedly, I don't know much about ID though, aside from the obvious.

08-14-2006, 10:32 PM	#7
shelty87 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Gender: Posts: 88 Thanks: 4 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 2,563.00 Bank: 3,562.25 Total Points: 6,125.25 Donate	well, i would have to say i agree w/ the spelling topic (even if i choose not to abide by it), but i agree w/ neither intelligent design nor evolution. i believe in creation, but, since im a realist, i tend to stay open to others opinions.

08-15-2006, 01:40 AM	#8
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08-16-2006, 01:03 AM	#10
Lurch1982 Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Katrinaland, USA Gender: Posts: 9,149 Thanks: 119 Thanked 202 Times in 125 Posts Points: 27,366.21 Bank: 166,050.89 Total Points: 193,417.10 Donate	The simple fact that you can't spell "intelligent" correctly says wonders about you, the intelligent design movement, and the people that believe in intelligent design. In other words, none of the above is actually intelligent.

08-16-2006, 03:35 AM	#11
Koga Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: The Netherlands Gender: Posts: 17,093 Thanks: 104 Thanked 173 Times in 116 Posts Points: 105,734.41 Bank: 19,215.78 Total Points: 124,950.19 Donate	It's not only the misspelling that makes him look like an idiot, though. First he asks if Intelligent Design is how the world came to be (while as far as I know, it's only trying to 'explain' life on earth). Then he asks if you think science created the world

08-16-2006, 08:43 AM	#12
Bartman101 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: I'm Bartman, ya fool Gender: Posts: 5,869 Thanks: 386 Thanked 126 Times in 102 Posts Blog Entries: 1 Points: 4,810.86 Bank: 58,061.97 Total Points: 62,872.83 Donate	Ok back on topic,how do we even know that the world was made by science? Maybe god did make the earth,or we're just a strange coincidence. No amount of science can prove how the earth was made,unless they have some sort of time machine that can let them see when the earth came to be. There how did i do on that sentence? I put the grammar and everything.

08-17-2006, 10:29 AM	#19
Bartman101 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: I'm Bartman, ya fool Gender: Posts: 5,869 Thanks: 386 Thanked 126 Times in 102 Posts Blog Entries: 1 Points: 4,810.86 Bank: 58,061.97 Total Points: 62,872.83 Donate	Ow,My head hurts.

08-17-2006, 12:20 PM	#20
Dr. Horrible PP&R Mod Current Events Mod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: More important than where is when.... Gender: Posts: 6,505 Thanks: 111 Thanked 405 Times in 274 Posts Points: 2,826.25 Bank: 2,371,430.97 Total Points: 2,374,257.22 Donate	Funny. I end up feeling that way about a lot of your posts.