McCain Has Picked A VP

I am nobody · 08-29-2008, 11:45 AM

McCain praises VP choice Palin's 'tenacity' - John McCain News - MSNBC.com

ZeldaGirl · 08-29-2008, 12:04 PM

Hot damn. Things just got a lot more interesting...

Swordmaster Link · 08-29-2008, 01:38 PM

Hm, reasonable selection. Makes McCain seem like he's not clawing at the past while tempting Hillary supporters to jump off the Obama wagon.

Lurch1982 · 08-29-2008, 01:47 PM

Awful selection. Inexperienced governor who got elected by beating someone that a plastic grocery bag could have beaten in the middle of an abuse of power scandal. Should have went with someone that could help carry a battleground state instead of pandering to Hillary voters that likely won't shift over to the GOP to begin with.

**Deku Trii** · 08-29-2008, 03:01 PM

Giving up the "experience" arguments, is he?

***CaptHayfever*** · 08-29-2008, 04:32 PM

You make the call! Is John McCain:
A) Screwing with the heads of of the strawman-feminists & strawman-PCists, which would be really cool if this is his intent
B) Buying himself Alaska to cancel out Obama's Hawaii, having become too senile to notice that no election has ever hinged on either of those states
C) Trying to distance himself from some of the attack ads he's run by cutting off his own "experience" argument
D) Attempting to make the elephants look more progressive to Joe Everyman
E) All of the above

The answer when we come back from this message.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Eagle Eye · 08-29-2008, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Lurch1982

Awful selection. Inexperienced governor who got elected by beating someone that a plastic grocery bag could have beaten in the middle of an abuse of power scandal. Should have went with someone that could help carry a battleground state instead of pandering to Hillary voters that likely won't shift over to the GOP to begin with.

To add to that, you have the fear that he'll die in office, leaving her to lead the nation, she has no financial background and I think we all know that's a problem right now.

Don't liek this pick, it's a high risk/high reward for him, that'll probably just end up a failure

**Crazyswordsman** · 08-29-2008, 10:47 PM

I'm just relieved it's not Romney (would be incredibly scary in power) or Lieberman (would make McCain an automatic win). -CSM

**Valigarmander** · 08-29-2008, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Horrible

Giving up the "experience" arguments, is he?

Damn it, got to it before me.

**Crazyswordsman** · 08-30-2008, 09:11 AM

Somehow I think McBush thinks nominating a woman will woo more Hillary supporters. I disagree. -CSM

ZeldaGirl · 08-30-2008, 01:30 PM

^That's EXACTLY what this pick reeks of. Here's a candidate with even less experience than Obama, and yet because she's a woman, people are stopping to take pause. It's kind of insulting...she's NOTHING like Hilary: staunchly anti-abortion, staunchly conservative, but she will appeal to mothers and married women on the fringe not knowing who they'll vote for yet. This pick is basically a gambit to try to woo female voters and feminists - "Oh look, we picked a woman, the glass ceiling will be shattered teh yayz!" Please.

So, had Hilary won the nomination, which black man would McCain have picked? >_>

PK FIRE! · 08-30-2008, 02:01 PM

So if the republicans run a minority group its because they're trying to sucker the nation into voting for them, yet if the Demicrats do its the most advanced thing this side of the Civil rights Act?

Also how does this take experence out of the debate? The top ticket is between Obama and McCain not Obama and Palin.

I'm still undeced really witch gun do I use to shoot myself with the Semi auto with the Obama Bullet or the Colt peacemaker known as McCain?

- You stupid dog!

**Deku Trii** · 08-30-2008, 02:54 PM

Uh, it takes experience out of the argument because he can't say that he doesn't think Obama has the experience to be president without being a total hypocrite for saying Palin is experienced enough to be president, or an idiot for picking a VP who he doesn't think is experienced enough to be president.

PK FIRE! · 08-30-2008, 03:56 PM

True, however I still say no matter who wins everyone looses. What we need is a leader along the lines of FDR someone who will think in the long term who will what's best for Amarica not what's best for his/her political party.

I have no trust in either Obama or McCain. Neither seem likely to put aside any mistrust they have with the opposing party and simply work to better the nation not advance a polical idealology that is only going to end up replacing one set of problems with another.So I'm just going to wait for the USA to destory itself most likely in a manner reminicent of Rome.

- You stupid dog!

LinkManDX · 08-30-2008, 06:20 PM

This is more nitpicking than everything (I don't even consider it to be that much of a killer argument), but an argument has been made that she's the only person in the race with executive experience (As a governor).

Jesus · 08-30-2008, 08:29 PM

Let's see...McCain only met her once before choosing her. She is a member of the National Gun and Rifle Association. She is Pro-Life to the point that if it would kill the mother she would rather the mother die. She is a woman. Seems like McCain found the textbook republican. She's inexperienced as well. Didn't McCain bomb Obama for being inexperienced? This seems a bit hypocritical.

**Crazyswordsman** · 08-30-2008, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeldaGirl

So, had Hilary won the nomination, which black man would McCain have picked? >_>

Ken Blackwell. Known for his anti-abortion rhetoric and reducing the number of voting machines in Cleveland during '04 when he was secretary of state and the head of the Bush campaign in Ohio. -CSM

ZeldaGirl · 08-30-2008, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by PSYCHOKID909

So if the republicans run a minority group its because they're trying to sucker the nation into voting for them, yet if the Demicrats do its the most advanced thing this side of the Civil rights Act?!

Had it been a more worthy female candidate, it wouldn't be an issue... but here's a candidate whom he'd only met with ONCE prior, had only spoken to ONCE on the phone before the announcement, who has even LESS experience than Obama. She has "executive experience", but not much of it; it's a gambit pick. (Him picking Condi Rice would have been a much better, more solid choice, with ten times the result. However, I digress.)

In terms of the whole "experience" issue, McCain has shot himself in the foot.

If Obama is fine and healthy, he has the guidance and counsel of Biden; McCain can rely on himself for the "experience." HOWEVER, if something happens to Obama, Biden EASILY fills the gap. If the reverse happens and McCain is out of commission, the same is not true - Palin doesn't have the credentials to fill in as Biden would. THAT's where the experience argument is shot.

***CaptHayfever*** · 08-30-2008, 11:26 PM

^^Yeah, I was wondering, too. I knew it wouldn't be Alan Keyes because everybody hates him.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PSYCHOKID909

I'm still undeced really witch gun do I use to shoot myself with the Semi auto with the Obama Bullet or the Colt peacemaker known as McCain?

Neither. Vote 3rd-party.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Bomby · 08-31-2008, 11:31 AM

^ Don't we all wish voting third party wasn't a waste of time? Moore/Alexander '08!!!

I'm a Socialist but I'm also practical. Obama has my vote. The choice of Palin as McCain's VP running mate makes me want to get the Republican party out of the presidential office even more than I did before.

08-29-2008, 11:45 AM	#1
I am nobody Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Over there. Gender: Posts: 5,515 Thanks: 309 Thanked 365 Times in 242 Posts Blog Entries: 7	McCain Has Picked A VP McCain praises VP choice Palin's 'tenacity' - John McCain News - MSNBC.com

08-29-2008, 12:04 PM	#2
ZeldaGirl Awesome member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Why do YOU want to know...? Gender: Posts: 15,896 Thanks: 1,130 Thanked 1,919 Times in 1,046 Posts	Hot damn. Things just got a lot more interesting...

08-29-2008, 01:38 PM	#3
Swordmaster Link Super Bodyguard & King of the Arcade Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Wherever you want me to be Gender: Posts: 32,132 Thanks: 253 Thanked 951 Times in 640 Posts Blog Entries: 2	Hm, reasonable selection. Makes McCain seem like he's not clawing at the past while tempting Hillary supporters to jump off the Obama wagon.

08-29-2008, 01:47 PM	#4
Lurch1982 Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: DenCo Gender: Posts: 9,850 Thanks: 127 Thanked 365 Times in 192 Posts	Awful selection. Inexperienced governor who got elected by beating someone that a plastic grocery bag could have beaten in the middle of an abuse of power scandal. Should have went with someone that could help carry a battleground state instead of pandering to Hillary voters that likely won't shift over to the GOP to begin with.

08-29-2008, 03:01 PM	#5
Deku Trii PP&R Mod Current Events Mod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Texas Gender: Posts: 9,031 Thanks: 521 Thanked 1,099 Times in 583 Posts	Giving up the "experience" arguments, is he?

08-29-2008, 04:32 PM	#6
*CaptHayfever* Smash SuperMod Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 27,661 Thanks: 1,991 Thanked 2,486 Times in 1,513 Posts	You make the call! Is John McCain: A) Screwing with the heads of of the strawman-feminists & strawman-PCists, which would be really cool if this is his intent B) Buying himself Alaska to cancel out Obama's Hawaii, having become too senile to notice that no election has ever hinged on either of those states C) Trying to distance himself from some of the attack ads he's run by cutting off his own "experience" argument D) Attempting to make the elephants look more progressive to Joe Everyman E) All of the above The answer when we come back from this message. And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

08-29-2008, 10:47 PM	#8
Crazyswordsman This key doesn't work. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 10,791 Thanks: 1,019 Thanked 686 Times in 467 Posts	I'm just relieved it's not Romney (would be incredibly scary in power) or Lieberman (would make McCain an automatic win). -CSM

08-30-2008, 09:11 AM	#10
Crazyswordsman This key doesn't work. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 10,791 Thanks: 1,019 Thanked 686 Times in 467 Posts	Somehow I think McBush thinks nominating a woman will woo more Hillary supporters. I disagree. -CSM

08-30-2008, 01:30 PM	#11
ZeldaGirl Awesome member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Why do YOU want to know...? Gender: Posts: 15,896 Thanks: 1,130 Thanked 1,919 Times in 1,046 Posts	^That's EXACTLY what this pick reeks of. Here's a candidate with even less experience than Obama, and yet because she's a woman, people are stopping to take pause. It's kind of insulting...she's NOTHING like Hilary: staunchly anti-abortion, staunchly conservative, but she will appeal to mothers and married women on the fringe not knowing who they'll vote for yet. This pick is basically a gambit to try to woo female voters and feminists - "Oh look, we picked a woman, the glass ceiling will be shattered teh yayz!" Please. So, had Hilary won the nomination, which black man would McCain have picked? >_>

08-30-2008, 02:01 PM	#12
PK FIRE! Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: On the run. Gender: Posts: 9,544 Thanks: 175 Thanked 150 Times in 120 Posts	So if the republicans run a minority group its because they're trying to sucker the nation into voting for them, yet if the Demicrats do its the most advanced thing this side of the Civil rights Act? Also how does this take experence out of the debate? The top ticket is between Obama and McCain not Obama and Palin. I'm still undeced really witch gun do I use to shoot myself with the Semi auto with the Obama Bullet or the Colt peacemaker known as McCain? - You stupid dog!

08-30-2008, 02:54 PM	#13
Deku Trii PP&R Mod Current Events Mod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Texas Gender: Posts: 9,031 Thanks: 521 Thanked 1,099 Times in 583 Posts	Uh, it takes experience out of the argument because he can't say that he doesn't think Obama has the experience to be president without being a total hypocrite for saying Palin is experienced enough to be president, or an idiot for picking a VP who he doesn't think is experienced enough to be president.

08-30-2008, 03:56 PM	#14
PK FIRE! Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: On the run. Gender: Posts: 9,544 Thanks: 175 Thanked 150 Times in 120 Posts	True, however I still say no matter who wins everyone looses. What we need is a leader along the lines of FDR someone who will think in the long term who will what's best for Amarica not what's best for his/her political party. I have no trust in either Obama or McCain. Neither seem likely to put aside any mistrust they have with the opposing party and simply work to better the nation not advance a polical idealology that is only going to end up replacing one set of problems with another.So I'm just going to wait for the USA to destory itself most likely in a manner reminicent of Rome. - You stupid dog!

08-30-2008, 06:20 PM	#15
LinkManDX Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Because political usernames ftw Gender: Posts: 3,582 Thanks: 297 Thanked 266 Times in 156 Posts	This is more nitpicking than everything (I don't even consider it to be that much of a killer argument), but an argument has been made that she's the only person in the race with executive experience (As a governor).

08-30-2008, 08:29 PM	#16
Jesus Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Gender: Posts: 5,617 Thanks: 104 Thanked 139 Times in 101 Posts Blog Entries: 3	Let's see...McCain only met her once before choosing her. She is a member of the National Gun and Rifle Association. She is Pro-Life to the point that if it would kill the mother she would rather the mother die. She is a woman. Seems like McCain found the textbook republican. She's inexperienced as well. Didn't McCain bomb Obama for being inexperienced? This seems a bit hypocritical.

08-31-2008, 11:31 AM	#20
Bomby You just freaking blew Joe Biden's mind! Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: WHAT?house Gender: Posts: 19,491 Thanks: 513 Thanked 1,449 Times in 849 Posts Blog Entries: 5	^ Don't we all wish voting third party wasn't a waste of time? Moore/Alexander '08!!! I'm a Socialist but I'm also practical. Obama has my vote. The choice of Palin as McCain's VP running mate makes me want to get the Republican party out of the presidential office even more than I did before.