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Speed · 09-26-2008, 09:37 PM

Damn debates.

What the hell Obama, Why didn't you kick ass and take names!!!

**Valigarmander** · 09-26-2008, 09:48 PM

Jim Lehrer reminded me of Mills Lane for some reason.

"Lets gyitit on!"

**Crazyswordsman** · 09-27-2008, 11:04 AM

I tell you, both candidates sucked equally last night. -CSM

(edit: Too funny not to post: if this is the best conservatives can come up with after the debate, they don't know ANYTHING.)

Lurch1982 · 09-27-2008, 02:58 PM

Split decision, no clear winner or loser, no "knockdowns." Obama looked like and projected like a President. Thought McCain looked a little too hunched over, feeble at times and had really bad body language. McCain did come off far more personable, and had better anecdotes. However, I think he sacrificed putting meat in his answers and is banking on emotional pulls too much. Obama provided good answers, but came off as a law professor instead of a politician. Not sure how that'll play. It won't be as bad as Kerry's issue with people saying he was "not relatable," but he still might get flack for it.

Not sure how the poll bounce will work. Control groups apparently showed Obama ahead, but they weren't scientifically representative. Much of it depends how the networks break down the debate. McCain stretched the truth a little too much to get away with it, and he did it more often than Obama did. Problem is if they're going to focus on McCain's gaffs or McCain's soundbites. He completely won on the soundbite front, but the problem is that the really good ones are simply unfactual.

Good reading:
FactCheck.org: FactChecking Debate No. 1

The Kissinger gaff was just horrible. That made news because it was an AP wire story. It was widely circulated. Trying to distort that point and Obama's point to make it sound like Obama wants immediate leader-to-leader meetings is something that I don't think will fool even the dumbest mouthbreather.

McCain's gaff on the earmarks was surprising, but I'm not sure it'll get play because he has enough "credibility" on gov't waste for anyone to question it.

Obama seemed a little more prepared for this (I guess McCain really did "suspend" his campaign for no reason) and his answers showed. McCain's post-debate ads will probably focus on Obama being naive, but I'm curious to see how it will play. McCain really came off as a half-cocked warmonger throughout the debate that would roll tanks into Red Square before 2010, whereas Obama seemed like someone that would actually rebuild the US brand abroad and negotiate.

All depends on how this gets played in the media, and we won't know until the polls hit about mid-next week.

Vapor · 09-27-2008, 03:14 PM

It had way too much of this:

"My opponent [had voted for something bad/said something hypocritical/whatever]."
"NO U"

ZeldaGirl · 09-27-2008, 04:02 PM

Honestly, them being even isn't the worst thing in the world - Obama held his own in the debate that people were predicting McCain was going to take away because of the foreign policy experience. Now we're going to move on to the debates on the economy and other issues, where Obama definitely can pull away. Overall, he certainly isn't going to be hurting from his showing.

EDIT: And I realize that they did spend some time talking about the economy, but the other debates are actually supposed to make it the focus. Just clarifying.

Panfan · 09-27-2008, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crazyswordsman

I tell you, both candidates sucked equally last night. -CSM

(edit: Too funny not to post: if this is the best conservatives can come up with after the debate, they don't know ANYTHING.)

I also suggest looking at the Obama page on Conservapedia. It's hilarious.

**Valigarmander** · 09-27-2008, 04:40 PM

^ Every time I visit that website, I want to kill a redneck.

Kil'jaeden · 09-27-2008, 06:59 PM

Conservapedia is a joke. Right? Please let it be a joke.

ZeldaGirl · 09-27-2008, 07:35 PM

....I have even less faith in humanity now. Oh my god.

Kil'jaeden · 09-27-2008, 07:40 PM

When I first saw Conservapedia it I wasn't sure if it was or not. Some articles in it are okay, then you get to some and just wonder if it's a joke or not. But the Obama article has to be one of the worst of them I've seen.

**Crazyswordsman** · 09-27-2008, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kil'jaeden

Conservapedia is a joke. Right? Please let it be a joke.

Trust me. If it were meant to be a joke, it wouldn't be as funny. The guy who runs it bans anyone who makes a good point and proclaims victory (he's the son of Phyllis Schlafly, who as you know is a villain).

Also, Lurch, I read that a Fox News poll showed Obama winning, which is interesting considering the clientelle it gets. -CSM

I am nobody · 09-27-2008, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeldaGirl

....I have even less faith in humanity now. Oh my god.

My thoughts exactly when I read the article on Islam.

Kil'jaeden · 09-27-2008, 07:49 PM

Maybe I just want to think it's a joke....

Lurch1982 · 09-27-2008, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crazyswordsman

Also, Lurch, I read that a Fox News poll showed Obama winning, which is interesting considering the clientelle it gets. -CSM

Even with a strong bounce, Obama would either be tied or still slightly ahead of McCain.

From what I've seen from the various network focus groups/polls, they may not be reflective. CNN admitted their numbers came from a skewed sample size (more Dems than Repubs and Indys). Initial reactions from the groups also takes into account that these people actually watched the entire debate. Even using likely voter models, a sizable percentage of voters didn't and will pick up their opinion based on network reporting. All depends on what gets covered more.

Its really too much of a crapshoot with how it went off to really say who will get a bounce, if anyone does. First indication will be the early polls (you should see them trickle out monday and flood by late Tues/early Wed), and the clear barometer would be seen in the late-week polls.

**Crazyswordsman** · 09-27-2008, 07:53 PM

^^It shows that if nothing else Obama won the debate. If McCain won, they'dve written about how McCain's foreign policy credentials showed more than Obama's. They didn't. They put in that smear that won't work among sensible people.

^Still, Obama isn't clearly ahead. He's got a lead, but it's within a margin of error. -CSM

Kil'jaeden · 09-27-2008, 08:06 PM

I think Obama made more sense. McCain was all "General Petraeus said this" everytime Iraq came up, and stated how we were winning. Obama at least brought up the fact that Iraq has a budget surplus, that we have spent enough there, and it's time to focus on Afghanistan.

On the economy, well, I believe a few weeks ago McCain said our economy was strong.....yeah.

Vapor · 09-28-2008, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Balrog

^ Every time I visit that website, I want to kill a redneck.

Speed · 09-28-2008, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kil'jaeden

McCain was all "General Petraeus said this" everytime Iraq came up, and stated how we were winning.

Petraeus actually said we CAN'T win so.

McCain is screwed.

LinkManDX · 09-29-2008, 03:41 PM

I was at a debate tournament at Yale when it came on, once I had finished my rounds for the day (lol ironic).

Needless to say, I was annoyed at the fact that neither candidate could answer a question directly without spending a minute and a half talking about useless ****.

If they had actually answered questions, it would have been easier to look at, but it didn't seem that way.

This was mostly Lehrer's fault for not getting direct answers and more begging the candidates to look at each other instead of at the camera, which they should have.

09-26-2008, 09:37 PM	#1
Speed Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: If there's a bright center to the universe I'm on the planet it's farthest from Gender: Posts: 3,747 Thanks: 1,598 Thanked 320 Times in 224 Posts Blog Entries: 1	*Insert Profanity Here* Damn debates. What the hell Obama, Why didn't you kick ass and take names!!!

09-27-2008, 11:04 AM	#3
Crazyswordsman This key doesn't work. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 10,791 Thanks: 1,019 Thanked 686 Times in 467 Posts	I tell you, both candidates sucked equally last night. -CSM (edit: Too funny not to post: if this is the best conservatives can come up with after the debate, they don't know ANYTHING.) Last edited by Crazyswordsman; 09-27-2008 at 12:08 PM.

09-27-2008, 06:59 PM	#9
Kil'jaeden Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: in your mind Gender: Posts: 2,132 Thanks: 21 Thanked 146 Times in 99 Posts	Conservapedia is a joke. Right? Please let it be a joke. Last edited by Kil'jaeden; 09-27-2008 at 07:17 PM.

09-27-2008, 08:06 PM	#17
Kil'jaeden Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: in your mind Gender: Posts: 2,132 Thanks: 21 Thanked 146 Times in 99 Posts	I think Obama made more sense. McCain was all "General Petraeus said this" everytime Iraq came up, and stated how we were winning. Obama at least brought up the fact that Iraq has a budget surplus, that we have spent enough there, and it's time to focus on Afghanistan. On the economy, well, I believe a few weeks ago McCain said our economy was strong.....yeah. Last edited by Kil'jaeden; 09-27-2008 at 08:17 PM.

09-26-2008, 09:48 PM	#2
Valigarmander The Bee's Knees Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The land of rain and trees (Oregon) Gender: Posts: 29,755 Thanks: 1,649 Thanked 5,700 Times in 2,580 Posts Blog Entries: 20	Jim Lehrer reminded me of Mills Lane for some reason. "Lets gyitit on!"

09-27-2008, 02:58 PM	#4
Lurch1982 Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: DenCo Gender: Posts: 9,850 Thanks: 127 Thanked 365 Times in 192 Posts	Split decision, no clear winner or loser, no "knockdowns." Obama looked like and projected like a President. Thought McCain looked a little too hunched over, feeble at times and had really bad body language. McCain did come off far more personable, and had better anecdotes. However, I think he sacrificed putting meat in his answers and is banking on emotional pulls too much. Obama provided good answers, but came off as a law professor instead of a politician. Not sure how that'll play. It won't be as bad as Kerry's issue with people saying he was "not relatable," but he still might get flack for it. Not sure how the poll bounce will work. Control groups apparently showed Obama ahead, but they weren't scientifically representative. Much of it depends how the networks break down the debate. McCain stretched the truth a little too much to get away with it, and he did it more often than Obama did. Problem is if they're going to focus on McCain's gaffs or McCain's soundbites. He completely won on the soundbite front, but the problem is that the really good ones are simply unfactual. Good reading: FactCheck.org: FactChecking Debate No. 1 The Kissinger gaff was just horrible. That made news because it was an AP wire story. It was widely circulated. Trying to distort that point and Obama's point to make it sound like Obama wants immediate leader-to-leader meetings is something that I don't think will fool even the dumbest mouthbreather. McCain's gaff on the earmarks was surprising, but I'm not sure it'll get play because he has enough "credibility" on gov't waste for anyone to question it. Obama seemed a little more prepared for this (I guess McCain really did "suspend" his campaign for no reason) and his answers showed. McCain's post-debate ads will probably focus on Obama being naive, but I'm curious to see how it will play. McCain really came off as a half-cocked warmonger throughout the debate that would roll tanks into Red Square before 2010, whereas Obama seemed like someone that would actually rebuild the US brand abroad and negotiate. All depends on how this gets played in the media, and we won't know until the polls hit about mid-next week.

09-27-2008, 03:14 PM	#5
Vapor Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: WHERE IT'S AT Gender: Posts: 5,211 Thanks: 314 Thanked 413 Times in 249 Posts	It had way too much of this: "My opponent [had voted for something bad/said something hypocritical/whatever]." "NO U"

09-27-2008, 04:02 PM	#6
ZeldaGirl Awesome member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Why do YOU want to know...? Gender: Posts: 15,896 Thanks: 1,130 Thanked 1,919 Times in 1,046 Posts	Honestly, them being even isn't the worst thing in the world - Obama held his own in the debate that people were predicting McCain was going to take away because of the foreign policy experience. Now we're going to move on to the debates on the economy and other issues, where Obama definitely can pull away. Overall, he certainly isn't going to be hurting from his showing. EDIT: And I realize that they did spend some time talking about the economy, but the other debates are actually supposed to make it the focus. Just clarifying.

09-27-2008, 04:40 PM	#8
Valigarmander The Bee's Knees Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The land of rain and trees (Oregon) Gender: Posts: 29,755 Thanks: 1,649 Thanked 5,700 Times in 2,580 Posts Blog Entries: 20	^ Every time I visit that website, I want to kill a redneck.

09-27-2008, 07:35 PM	#10
ZeldaGirl Awesome member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Why do YOU want to know...? Gender: Posts: 15,896 Thanks: 1,130 Thanked 1,919 Times in 1,046 Posts	....I have even less faith in humanity now. Oh my god.

09-27-2008, 07:40 PM	#11
Kil'jaeden Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: in your mind Gender: Posts: 2,132 Thanks: 21 Thanked 146 Times in 99 Posts	When I first saw Conservapedia it I wasn't sure if it was or not. Some articles in it are okay, then you get to some and just wonder if it's a joke or not. But the Obama article has to be one of the worst of them I've seen.

09-27-2008, 07:49 PM	#14
Kil'jaeden Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: in your mind Gender: Posts: 2,132 Thanks: 21 Thanked 146 Times in 99 Posts	Maybe I just want to think it's a joke....

09-27-2008, 07:53 PM	#16
Crazyswordsman This key doesn't work. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 10,791 Thanks: 1,019 Thanked 686 Times in 467 Posts	^^It shows that if nothing else Obama won the debate. If McCain won, they'dve written about how McCain's foreign policy credentials showed more than Obama's. They didn't. They put in that smear that won't work among sensible people. ^Still, Obama isn't clearly ahead. He's got a lead, but it's within a margin of error. -CSM

09-29-2008, 03:41 PM	#20
LinkManDX Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Because political usernames ftw Gender: Posts: 3,582 Thanks: 297 Thanked 266 Times in 156 Posts	I was at a debate tournament at Yale when it came on, once I had finished my rounds for the day (lol ironic). Needless to say, I was annoyed at the fact that neither candidate could answer a question directly without spending a minute and a half talking about useless ****. If they had actually answered questions, it would have been easier to look at, but it didn't seem that way. This was mostly Lehrer's fault for not getting direct answers and more begging the candidates to look at each other instead of at the camera, which they should have.