A supplement to my past threads on gun control:

**Valigarmander** · 11-05-2008, 11:36 PM

12-Year-Old Shot, Killed While Trick-or-Treating | wltx.com

Once again, my pleas to keep firearms out of the hands of felons, crazies and dumbasses go unanswered.

My thoughts go back to another Halloween when a Japanese foreign-exchange student was shot dead by an old man for much the same reason here.

t3hDarkness · 11-05-2008, 11:48 PM

(His gun was already illegal)

Laika Come Home · 11-06-2008, 06:02 AM

I don't believe in gun control, as it is expressly stated in the Constitution that there should be no gun control. Does that open up the floodgates to murderers and thieves? Yes. Is it any different from now, when guns are heavily-controlled in almost every state? No.

I am nobody · 11-06-2008, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Laika Come Home

I don't believe in gun control, as it is expressly stated in the Constitution that there should be no gun control. Does that open up the floodgates to murderers and thieves? Yes. Is it any different from now, when guns are heavily-controlled in almost every state? No.

Back then, they used pathetically inaccurate muskets. It was a lot harder to kill someone with a gun back then than it is now.

The founding fathers were not psychics, and they couldn't predict how issues would change. I live in a city where there have been 23 shooting deaths; a record for the city of only about 70,000. That doesn't include the armed robberies (at least 10), assaults (probably over 20) and rapes (2) that have involved guns. Clearly this issues has changed. A criminal or someone with a mental disability owning a gun risks the ability of an innocent person to pursue happiness, and quite possibly their life as well.

***Cosmonautical*** · 11-06-2008, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Laika Come Home

I don't believe in gun control, as it is expressly stated in the Constitution that there should be no gun control. Does that open up the floodgates to murderers and thieves? Yes. Is it any different from now, when guns are heavily-controlled in almost every state? No.

There's nothing in the Constitution that says their should be "no gun control", so you're stretching the Bill of Rights a bit too far, IMO, to say as much as that.

***Saria Dragon of the Rain Wilds*** · 11-06-2008, 07:45 AM

Pooh to the Constitutional "right" to wave around a gun and pretend you're all sane enough to know when NOT to shoot a trick-or-treating family.

There are too many people in the US. And too many of them are unfit to carry any sort of weapon.

And once you stop people from carrying a gun legally, they just get one off the black market anyways. *sigh* What a world we live in.

***Cosmonautical*** · 11-06-2008, 07:54 AM

The problem with guns is that anyone that wants one is someone I don't want with a gun.

Joker · 11-06-2008, 08:41 AM

Americans need guns, I mean with out them the king of England could just come in to my house and starts pushing me around...I don't want that ****!!

Robotazy · 11-06-2008, 08:43 AM

I remember reading it in my Comp II book, but some people believe "the right to bear arms" is actually "the right to a state militia" :/

***CaptHayfever*** · 11-06-2008, 10:05 AM

^It's actually "the right to bear arms in case a militia of citizens needs to be put together in a jiffy, that way those involved already each have a gun, thus saving a lot of time & money for the militia effort" which still means "the right to bear arms."
But as AI points out, it doesn't mean "no gun control." Heck, we don't let felons vote; why should we let them legally acquire firearms?

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Robotazy · 11-06-2008, 10:09 AM

Well, I would've said that too if I had the book in front of me

t3hDarkness · 11-06-2008, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptHayfever

But as AI points out, it doesn't mean "no gun control." Heck, we don't let felons vote; why should we let them legally acquire firearms?

We don't.

Bomby · 11-06-2008, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Laika Come Home

it is expressly stated in the Constitution that there should be no gun control.

Because the words of old, dead men are more important than current issues.

***CaptHayfever*** · 11-06-2008, 01:41 PM

^^I didn't think we did; I was just pointing it out as one particular instance of reasonable gun control.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Laika Come Home · 11-06-2008, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DELICIOUS POISON

There's nothing in the Constitution that says their should be "no gun control", so you're stretching the Bill of Rights a bit too far, IMO, to say as much as that.

Second amendment, the right to bear arms.

I am nobody · 11-06-2008, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Laika Come Home

Second amendment, the right to bear arms.

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Originally Posted by Second Amendment

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

If we followed this literally, anyone (of any age and mental stability) could legally walk around with any kind of weapon. (be that a stick or a firebomb) You can't legally do that now, so we clearly are not following this word for word.

t3hDarkness · 11-06-2008, 04:07 PM

**Deku Trii** · 11-06-2008, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Laika Come Home

Second amendment, the right to bear arms.

The second amendment is a bit more specific than the paraphrased "right to bear arms."

Bomby · 11-06-2008, 04:07 PM

I'm pretty sure this is what they meant:

**Crazyswordsman** · 11-06-2008, 05:13 PM

Funny version: I thought the Second Amendment was meant to give us the right to wrestle bears and keep their arms if we kill them.

Nonfunny version: I honestly think the Second Amendment meant we had the right to own weapons just in case some brutal dictator came to power and tried to change the Constitution so we could restore democracy. It was NOT meant to create trigger happy cowboys. -CSM

11-05-2008, 11:36 PM	#1
Valigarmander The Bee's Knees Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The land of rain and trees (Oregon) Gender: Posts: 29,755 Thanks: 1,649 Thanked 5,700 Times in 2,580 Posts Blog Entries: 20	A supplement to my past threads on gun control: 12-Year-Old Shot, Killed While Trick-or-Treating \| wltx.com Once again, my pleas to keep firearms out of the hands of felons, crazies and dumbasses go unanswered. My thoughts go back to another Halloween when a Japanese foreign-exchange student was shot dead by an old man for much the same reason here.

11-05-2008, 11:48 PM	#2
t3hDarkness Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: I weep oily black tears of joy. Gender: Posts: 7,590 Thanks: 119 Thanked 418 Times in 306 Posts Blog Entries: 5	(His gun was already illegal)

11-06-2008, 06:02 AM	#3
Laika Come Home Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Gender: Posts: 615 Thanks: 214 Thanked 77 Times in 45 Posts Blog Entries: 1	I don't believe in gun control, as it is expressly stated in the Constitution that there should be no gun control. Does that open up the floodgates to murderers and thieves? Yes. Is it any different from now, when guns are heavily-controlled in almost every state? No.

11-06-2008, 07:45 AM	#6
*Saria Dragon of the Rain Wilds* Admin "mine.. not yours. NO. MINE." Epic Ladynerd Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Forteresse de Valois Gender: Posts: 28,504 Thanks: 1,658 Thanked 1,820 Times in 1,042 Posts	Pooh to the Constitutional "right" to wave around a gun and pretend you're all sane enough to know when NOT to shoot a trick-or-treating family. There are too many people in the US. And too many of them are unfit to carry any sort of weapon. And once you stop people from carrying a gun legally, they just get one off the black market anyways. sigh What a world we live in.

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*Cosmonautical* Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I rub my tilde all over your asterisk Gender: Posts: 28,100 Thanks: 2,151 Thanked 5,338 Times in 2,433 Posts	The problem with guns is that anyone that wants one is someone I don't want with a gun.

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Joker Lord of Vampires / God of Vengeance Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: The Planet of Eternal Darkness Gender: Posts: 11,117 Thanks: 3,273 Thanked 580 Times in 364 Posts Blog Entries: 6	Americans need guns, I mean with out them the king of England could just come in to my house and starts pushing me around...I don't want that ****!!

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Robotazy PRESS ANY KEY TO PANIC! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: A Tiny Shed Gender: Posts: 16,483 Thanks: 529 Thanked 1,254 Times in 897 Posts Blog Entries: 46	I remember reading it in my Comp II book, but some people believe "the right to bear arms" is actually "the right to a state militia" :/

11-06-2008, 10:05 AM	#10
*CaptHayfever* Smash SuperMod Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 27,661 Thanks: 1,991 Thanked 2,486 Times in 1,513 Posts	^It's actually "the right to bear arms in case a militia of citizens needs to be put together in a jiffy, that way those involved already each have a gun, thus saving a lot of time & money for the militia effort" which still means "the right to bear arms." But as AI points out, it doesn't mean "no gun control." Heck, we don't let felons vote; why should we let them legally acquire firearms? And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

11-06-2008, 10:09 AM	#11
Robotazy PRESS ANY KEY TO PANIC! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: A Tiny Shed Gender: Posts: 16,483 Thanks: 529 Thanked 1,254 Times in 897 Posts Blog Entries: 46	Well, I would've said that too if I had the book in front of me

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*CaptHayfever* Smash SuperMod Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 27,661 Thanks: 1,991 Thanked 2,486 Times in 1,513 Posts	^^I didn't think we did; I was just pointing it out as one particular instance of reasonable gun control. And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

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Bomby You just freaking blew Joe Biden's mind! Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: WHAT?house Gender: Posts: 19,491 Thanks: 513 Thanked 1,449 Times in 849 Posts Blog Entries: 5	I'm pretty sure this is what they meant:

11-06-2008, 05:13 PM	#20
Crazyswordsman This key doesn't work. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 10,791 Thanks: 1,019 Thanked 686 Times in 467 Posts	Funny version: I thought the Second Amendment was meant to give us the right to wrestle bears and keep their arms if we kill them. Nonfunny version: I honestly think the Second Amendment meant we had the right to own weapons just in case some brutal dictator came to power and tried to change the Constitution so we could restore democracy. It was NOT meant to create trigger happy cowboys. -CSM