Taking "God" Out of Politics

**Valigarmander** · 01-01-2009, 05:52 AM

Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural - CNN.com
Atheist Wants 'God' Out Of Inauguration - KSBW-TV - msnbc.com

Now, I'm agnostic (although with stronger atheistic tendencies), but I can't quite side myself with these people who are trying to get the word "God" removed from the inaugural speech. In fact, I'd prefer it stay there, and in the pledge of allegiance, and I'd prefer we keep the statue of the Ten Commandments in front of whatever courthouses.

These things aren't being forced upon us, and if we get offended every time we hear the word "God" mentioned then we're no better than the kind of people who throw a fit when somebody says "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas".

tl;dr, we've got better things to worry about. Share your views on this issue.

Dylan · 01-01-2009, 09:01 AM

Well said. I hate how militant atheists pretend the very fabric of democracy is being ripped to shreds by a mass religious conspiracy. By claiming just the word "God" is offensive is like me saying I'm repulsed at the very concept of any faith outside Christianity. These activist groups like to preach a message of tolerance, putting forth a message that says it's unfair to lend credence to a particular faith, but by attempting to remove all aspects of religion from public life and trying to force a strictly secular mindset in public, essentially telling people to leave their faith at home, they're negating their own message of tolerance.

As far as Warren goes, it's Obama's party and he can do what he wants.

(Hm... I think I have my first editorial for the semester.)

Bomby · 01-01-2009, 11:50 AM

I think we should ban everything.

Swordmaster Link · 01-01-2009, 12:49 PM

My God, does it really make that much of a difference?

Panfan · 01-01-2009, 12:56 PM

^ SML, delete that post, the beginning offends me.

**Crazyswordsman** · 01-01-2009, 01:03 PM

I think it should be up to the person taking the oath. -CSM

Swordmaster Link · 01-01-2009, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by THE KARMA POLICE

^ SML, delete that post, the beginning offends me.

YOU'RE GOING TO HELL

**Crazyswordsman** · 01-01-2009, 04:21 PM

OH MAI GOD ITS TEH CRUSADES OVAR AGEN. -CSM

I REALLY HATE POKEMON! · 01-01-2009, 05:21 PM

When the word God becomes taboo like this, as it slowly is becoming, how should I feel as a Christian? No, scratch that. How should anyone who believes in free speech feel on the very pricipal of these matters?

I wonder what Obama's view on this matter is.

***Saria Dragon of the Rain Wilds*** · 01-01-2009, 05:27 PM

^ But it's not. Just a couple of intolerant people here and there throwing a fit over something insignificant; just the same way as not all Christians are crazy protestors that blow up abortion clinics. There are always some extreme beliefs, but that doesn't mean much to the rest of us.

**Loot** · 01-01-2009, 05:30 PM

I prefer the Native American gods. Can we put the Native American gods in the Constitution?

I REALLY HATE POKEMON! · 01-01-2009, 05:39 PM

All it takes is a couple to change and oppress.

And I think more of these types of sane and legal issues arise than insane and murderous bombings happen. I don't find that comparison to work so well, but I get your point anyway.

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Originally Posted by NEED A DISPENSER HERE

I prefer the Native American gods. Can we put the Native American gods in the Constitution?

Sure, as soon as we totally abandon and make this one taboo.

ZeldaGirl · 01-01-2009, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by I REALLY HATE POKEMON!

I wonder what Obama's view on this matter is.

Geez, I wonder, considering you know, he actually IS a Christian, and he chose a very evangelical pastor to say the prayer at his inauguration in the spirit of being bipartisan. Hm...

Also, I like to think that legal proceedings are infinitely better than murder...

I REALLY HATE POKEMON! · 01-01-2009, 05:49 PM

Just because Obama believes in God doesn't mean that he will go into auto-pilot-Jesus mode, ZG.

And bombings can't be accurately compared to legal proceedings, that's all. One is done legally, one is vigilanteism. So common sense will let you know which is better, so I don't need to even give my opinion on that one.

Robotazy · 01-01-2009, 06:04 PM

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**Loot** · 01-01-2009, 06:56 PM

ATHEIST BLOOD BOILING

Jailbreaker · 01-01-2009, 07:52 PM

I think that it makes sense to remove god from the pledge.

I think that it's not like we're putting budda in.

Is it spelled Buddha? Bhudda?

Not that Buhdda is worse or better.

It's just that many dieties in religions are "god."

Anyways, I personally don't say the pledge.

Why should I swear that I will ally myself with a country?

If the world united into the land of Hume, we'd have a good reason to be called Humans. Then I might be so loyal...

Pledges and swears and promises are too strict...

Why should people take a single word in the pledge so seriously?

OMG is godly, too. Pwnd, internet users.

***Saria Dragon of the Rain Wilds*** · 01-01-2009, 08:14 PM

It wasn't a comparision between to two, rather, an example that all could readily agree with: "Indeed, not all Christians want to blow up abortion clinics." Neither do all non-religious folks want to remove every reference to God from random political speeches and such- most of us don't give a damn, either way. Someone who keeps coming back with a stupid lawsuit doesn't mean there's an underlying hatred and repression of "God"; that's the guy's [ridiculous] opinion, not the feelings of the majority of atheists.

**Loot** · 01-01-2009, 09:24 PM

I think we should take the word "To" out of the Constitution and Inauguration speech.

It sounds the exact same as the number "two" and we all know that women are pretty bad at math. Best not to confuse them! Ho ho ho...

I don't give a **** about the whole God deal. So long as it doesn't stop me from holding a job and keeping myself housed, I won't complain about beliefs within the government.

**Crazyswordsman** · 01-01-2009, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by I REALLY HATE POKEMON!

Sure, as soon as we totally abandon and make this one taboo.

How about both?

And actually, there was never a mention of God in the constitution. Neither was there a mention of religion outside the "no religious test" clause. -CSM

01-01-2009, 05:52 AM	#1
Valigarmander The Bee's Knees Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The land of rain and trees (Oregon) Gender: Posts: 29,755 Thanks: 1,649 Thanked 5,700 Times in 2,580 Posts Blog Entries: 20	Taking "God" Out of Politics Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural - CNN.com Atheist Wants 'God' Out Of Inauguration - KSBW-TV - msnbc.com Now, I'm agnostic (although with stronger atheistic tendencies), but I can't quite side myself with these people who are trying to get the word "God" removed from the inaugural speech. In fact, I'd prefer it stay there, and in the pledge of allegiance, and I'd prefer we keep the statue of the Ten Commandments in front of whatever courthouses. These things aren't being forced upon us, and if we get offended every time we hear the word "God" mentioned then we're no better than the kind of people who throw a fit when somebody says "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas". tl;dr, we've got better things to worry about. Share your views on this issue.

01-01-2009, 06:04 PM	#15
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Jailbreaker Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Not in jail anymore, yay! Gender: Posts: 3,482 Thanks: 1,074 Thanked 185 Times in 118 Posts	I never thought VGF would be educational six months ago. I think that it makes sense to remove god from the pledge. I think that it's not like we're putting budda in. Is it spelled Buddha? Bhudda? Not that Buhdda is worse or better. It's just that many dieties in religions are "god." Anyways, I personally don't say the pledge. Why should I swear that I will ally myself with a country? If the world united into the land of Hume, we'd have a good reason to be called Humans. Then I might be so loyal... Pledges and swears and promises are too strict... Why should people take a single word in the pledge so seriously? OMG is godly, too. Pwnd, internet users.

01-01-2009, 09:01 AM	#2
Dylan Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Teenage Wasteland Gender: Posts: 7,790 Thanks: 1,632 Thanked 1,816 Times in 773 Posts	Well said. I hate how militant atheists pretend the very fabric of democracy is being ripped to shreds by a mass religious conspiracy. By claiming just the word "God" is offensive is like me saying I'm repulsed at the very concept of any faith outside Christianity. These activist groups like to preach a message of tolerance, putting forth a message that says it's unfair to lend credence to a particular faith, but by attempting to remove all aspects of religion from public life and trying to force a strictly secular mindset in public, essentially telling people to leave their faith at home, they're negating their own message of tolerance. As far as Warren goes, it's Obama's party and he can do what he wants. (Hm... I think I have my first editorial for the semester.)

01-01-2009, 11:50 AM	#3
Bomby You just freaking blew Joe Biden's mind! Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: WHAT?house Gender: Posts: 19,491 Thanks: 513 Thanked 1,449 Times in 849 Posts Blog Entries: 5	I think we should ban everything.

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Swordmaster Link Super Bodyguard & King of the Arcade Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Wherever you want me to be Gender: Posts: 32,132 Thanks: 253 Thanked 951 Times in 640 Posts Blog Entries: 2	My God, does it really make that much of a difference?

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Panfan AND HE PRAYS Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Grayskull Gender: Posts: 18,806 Thanks: 1,405 Thanked 2,250 Times in 1,338 Posts Blog Entries: 15	^ SML, delete that post, the beginning offends me.

01-01-2009, 01:03 PM	#6
Crazyswordsman This key doesn't work. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 10,791 Thanks: 1,019 Thanked 686 Times in 467 Posts	I think it should be up to the person taking the oath. -CSM

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Crazyswordsman This key doesn't work. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 10,791 Thanks: 1,019 Thanked 686 Times in 467 Posts	OH MAI GOD ITS TEH CRUSADES OVAR AGEN. -CSM

01-01-2009, 05:21 PM	#9
I REALLY HATE POKEMON! Goku lives on the Sun Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: California, U.S.A Gender: Posts: 12,717 Thanks: 1,334 Thanked 275 Times in 234 Posts Blog Entries: 1	When the word God becomes taboo like this, as it slowly is becoming, how should I feel as a Christian? No, scratch that. How should anyone who believes in free speech feel on the very pricipal of these matters? I wonder what Obama's view on this matter is.

01-01-2009, 05:27 PM	#10
*Saria Dragon of the Rain Wilds* Admin "mine.. not yours. NO. MINE." Epic Ladynerd Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Forteresse de Valois Gender: Posts: 28,504 Thanks: 1,658 Thanked 1,820 Times in 1,042 Posts	^ But it's not. Just a couple of intolerant people here and there throwing a fit over something insignificant; just the same way as not all Christians are crazy protestors that blow up abortion clinics. There are always some extreme beliefs, but that doesn't mean much to the rest of us.

01-01-2009, 05:30 PM	#11
Loot Apparently I'm a mod? Join Date: May 2001 Location: LEGITIMATE BUSINESS Gender: Posts: 13,208 Thanks: 236 Thanked 1,237 Times in 659 Posts	I prefer the Native American gods. Can we put the Native American gods in the Constitution?

01-01-2009, 05:49 PM	#14
I REALLY HATE POKEMON! Goku lives on the Sun Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: California, U.S.A Gender: Posts: 12,717 Thanks: 1,334 Thanked 275 Times in 234 Posts Blog Entries: 1	Just because Obama believes in God doesn't mean that he will go into auto-pilot-Jesus mode, ZG. And bombings can't be accurately compared to legal proceedings, that's all. One is done legally, one is vigilanteism. So common sense will let you know which is better, so I don't need to even give my opinion on that one.

01-01-2009, 06:56 PM	#16
Loot Apparently I'm a mod? Join Date: May 2001 Location: LEGITIMATE BUSINESS Gender: Posts: 13,208 Thanks: 236 Thanked 1,237 Times in 659 Posts	ATHEIST BLOOD BOILING

01-01-2009, 08:14 PM	#18
*Saria Dragon of the Rain Wilds* Admin "mine.. not yours. NO. MINE." Epic Ladynerd Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Forteresse de Valois Gender: Posts: 28,504 Thanks: 1,658 Thanked 1,820 Times in 1,042 Posts	It wasn't a comparision between to two, rather, an example that all could readily agree with: "Indeed, not all Christians want to blow up abortion clinics." Neither do all non-religious folks want to remove every reference to God from random political speeches and such- most of us don't give a damn, either way. Someone who keeps coming back with a stupid lawsuit doesn't mean there's an underlying hatred and repression of "God"; that's the guy's [ridiculous] opinion, not the feelings of the majority of atheists.

01-01-2009, 09:24 PM	#19
Loot Apparently I'm a mod? Join Date: May 2001 Location: LEGITIMATE BUSINESS Gender: Posts: 13,208 Thanks: 236 Thanked 1,237 Times in 659 Posts	I think we should take the word "To" out of the Constitution and Inauguration speech. It sounds the exact same as the number "two" and we all know that women are pretty bad at math. Best not to confuse them! Ho ho ho... I don't give a **** about the whole God deal. So long as it doesn't stop me from holding a job and keeping myself housed, I won't complain about beliefs within the government.