Idealistically...

I REALLY HATE POKEMON! · 03-06-2009, 11:56 PM

This is a stupid idea/question, but I was watching TV and some old guy gave his life savings to aid the American Soldiers in Iraq.

Now, he made a significant difference, and he was just one average guy.

Got me thinkin', so many famous people act like they wanna help and give far less, and they're rich. Tobey Maguire made like 100 million for Spider-Man 3...

If these people gave their money to one government/independant redistribution project, wouldn't a lot of financial burdens and suffering end?

**Valigarmander** · 03-06-2009, 11:58 PM

Yes.

But then they wouldn't be able to buy 60 cars.

Lurch1982 · 03-07-2009, 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I REALLY HATE POKEMON!

If these people gave their money to one government/independant redistribution project, wouldn't a lot of financial burdens and suffering end?

Sounds like pinko commie talk to me.

***Cosmonautical*** · 03-07-2009, 12:29 AM

If these people started sharing their money around, there might be enough for everyone. Oh wait, that's anti-capitalist, nevermind.

Metal Man · 03-07-2009, 12:43 AM

No! Don't share the money! You'll poison the Earth!

I REALLY HATE POKEMON! · 03-07-2009, 01:19 AM

Of course not everyone would recieve aid (Bill Gates ain't at the soup kitchen, but to his credit, he's doing a lot of donating), and not all that much would be distributed to individuals rather than organizations (don't wanna fund crack sales too much), but would significantly aid in restoring America's standard of living.

Healthcare, housing, transportation, food, daily necessities and everything else people need, along with clothing, grooming and jobhelp. Everyone deserves a chance, and to live.

t3hDarkness · 03-07-2009, 01:56 AM

I have a way to illustrate but when I wrote it out it was too convoluted for its own good, so I will sum it up into one nice neat little line.

Money only retains its value if you don't have any.

I hope that makes sense to you.

PK FIRE! · 03-07-2009, 02:07 AM

On the topic of distributing money, I've heard it said that if you took the money from the newest stimuless bill, and split it evenly among everyone 18 years or older in the US each person would get 50,000 dollers. Ganted I admit to knowing nothing about economics but wouldn't THAT stimulate the market because people would suddenly have alot of money to spend on whatever they wish, causing investers to once again invest in the buisnesses of the US and therefor stableizes things?

- You stupid dog!

***Saria Dragon of the Rain Wilds*** · 03-07-2009, 02:09 AM

Hello and welcome to Communism.

Metal Man · 03-07-2009, 03:00 AM

The issue is that Communism just gives all the money to what the government wants it to go to. Unless I'm missing something, no government has simply tried to give everyone an equal chance. Indeed, the issue at hand lies that Democracy was originally an insult to mean 'Mob rule', which, guess what, it does translate to.

The only political system beyond these foibles would be an Isonomy, a sort of system that would allow people equal say in subcommunities. Indeed, these communities were present in both the US, France, and even Russia during their revolutions. It was what overruled and quashed these which became the Democracy, Dictatorship (short-lived), and Bolshevik Communism that superseded them.

Sadly, people can't think long enough to implement this idea, and it is taught in so few places it has no hope to be known. Humanity is doomed to their inefficient, worthless governments in part because it is made up of fallable people who live too little to make a difference about structures set up by similarly fallable people during troubled times.

But not to worry... being human is a temporary state.

**Crazyswordsman** · 03-07-2009, 09:24 AM

I want to help but give far less, because I'm poor.

And I've never had much respect for celebrities just like I have little respect for investment bankers and CEOs. -CSM

Lurch1982 · 03-07-2009, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I REALLY HATE POKEMON!

Of course not everyone would recieve aid (Bill Gates ain't at the soup kitchen, but to his credit, he's doing a lot of donating), and not all that much would be distributed to individuals rather than organizations (don't wanna fund crack sales too much), but would significantly aid in restoring America's standard of living.

Healthcare, housing, transportation, food, daily necessities and everything else people need, along with clothing, grooming and jobhelp. Everyone deserves a chance, and to live.

When people suggest that (ie: raise taxes), everyone goes ape****.

Bomby · 03-07-2009, 01:19 PM

As an anarchist-communist, I approve!

I REALLY HATE POKEMON! · 03-07-2009, 04:35 PM

This isn't really Communism, where there is no choice involved and all property is a part of the plan and the government has total authority.

The idea I propose is large scale charity, being used as a "stimulus for the people" kind of thing.

I also think like PK, but too much money being dumped into our hands would result in disaster, or at least as a waste. Ideas involving large sums of money need structure.

Metal Man · 03-07-2009, 07:48 PM

Of course, such charities get corrupted, people don't do voluntary things...

It's just all a mess.

***Cosmonautical*** · 03-07-2009, 08:57 PM

Charities aren't what the world needs.

I REALLY HATE POKEMON! · 03-07-2009, 11:34 PM

This isn't really related, but I think we do need charity, in every sense of the word. People are often very cold. I won't cram definitions down your throat, we all know what the word means, but we might not be completely familiar with the synonyms. I knew it had some positive connotations at least.

"Kindliness, consideration, humanity, benignity, sympathy."

Sounds pretty good to me. Plus I'd like some cash. =|

***CaptHayfever*** · 03-08-2009, 01:57 AM

To be blunt, I trust the United Way with my money a hell of a lot more than I trust the US government with it.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Darth_Flava · 03-08-2009, 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptHayfever

To be blunt, I trust the United Way with my money a hell of a lot more than I trust the US government with it.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

There is a reason why I don't stick money in the bank.

Robotazy · 03-08-2009, 11:38 AM

You're riding on the assumption that people aren't complete asses and wouldn't keep the money for themselves.

03-06-2009, 11:56 PM	#1
I REALLY HATE POKEMON! Goku lives on the Sun Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: California, U.S.A Gender: Posts: 12,717 Thanks: 1,334 Thanked 275 Times in 234 Posts Blog Entries: 1	Idealistically... This is a stupid idea/question, but I was watching TV and some old guy gave his life savings to aid the American Soldiers in Iraq. Now, he made a significant difference, and he was just one average guy. Got me thinkin', so many famous people act like they wanna help and give far less, and they're rich. Tobey Maguire made like 100 million for Spider-Man 3... If these people gave their money to one government/independant redistribution project, wouldn't a lot of financial burdens and suffering end?

03-06-2009, 11:58 PM	#2
Valigarmander The Bee's Knees Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The land of rain and trees (Oregon) Gender: Posts: 29,755 Thanks: 1,649 Thanked 5,700 Times in 2,580 Posts Blog Entries: 20	Yes. But then they wouldn't be able to buy 60 cars.

03-07-2009, 12:29 AM	#4
*Cosmonautical* Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I rub my tilde all over your asterisk Gender: Posts: 28,100 Thanks: 2,151 Thanked 5,338 Times in 2,433 Posts	If these people started sharing their money around, there might be enough for everyone. Oh wait, that's anti-capitalist, nevermind.

03-07-2009, 12:43 AM	#5
Metal Man Fairy-Slaying Maniac Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: 1592 Miles Away From Here Gender: Posts: 18,062 Thanks: 148 Thanked 683 Times in 482 Posts	No! Don't share the money! You'll poison the Earth!

03-07-2009, 01:19 AM	#6
I REALLY HATE POKEMON! Goku lives on the Sun Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: California, U.S.A Gender: Posts: 12,717 Thanks: 1,334 Thanked 275 Times in 234 Posts Blog Entries: 1	Of course not everyone would recieve aid (Bill Gates ain't at the soup kitchen, but to his credit, he's doing a lot of donating), and not all that much would be distributed to individuals rather than organizations (don't wanna fund crack sales too much), but would significantly aid in restoring America's standard of living. Healthcare, housing, transportation, food, daily necessities and everything else people need, along with clothing, grooming and jobhelp. Everyone deserves a chance, and to live.

03-07-2009, 01:56 AM	#7
t3hDarkness Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: I weep oily black tears of joy. Gender: Posts: 7,590 Thanks: 119 Thanked 418 Times in 306 Posts Blog Entries: 5	I have a way to illustrate but when I wrote it out it was too convoluted for its own good, so I will sum it up into one nice neat little line. Money only retains its value if you don't have any. I hope that makes sense to you.

03-07-2009, 02:07 AM	#8
PK FIRE! Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: On the run. Gender: Posts: 9,544 Thanks: 175 Thanked 150 Times in 120 Posts	On the topic of distributing money, I've heard it said that if you took the money from the newest stimuless bill, and split it evenly among everyone 18 years or older in the US each person would get 50,000 dollers. Ganted I admit to knowing nothing about economics but wouldn't THAT stimulate the market because people would suddenly have alot of money to spend on whatever they wish, causing investers to once again invest in the buisnesses of the US and therefor stableizes things? - You stupid dog!

03-07-2009, 02:09 AM	#9
*Saria Dragon of the Rain Wilds* Admin "mine.. not yours. NO. MINE." Epic Ladynerd Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Forteresse de Valois Gender: Posts: 28,504 Thanks: 1,658 Thanked 1,820 Times in 1,042 Posts	Hello and welcome to Communism.

03-07-2009, 03:00 AM	#10
Metal Man Fairy-Slaying Maniac Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: 1592 Miles Away From Here Gender: Posts: 18,062 Thanks: 148 Thanked 683 Times in 482 Posts	The issue is that Communism just gives all the money to what the government wants it to go to. Unless I'm missing something, no government has simply tried to give everyone an equal chance. Indeed, the issue at hand lies that Democracy was originally an insult to mean 'Mob rule', which, guess what, it does translate to. The only political system beyond these foibles would be an Isonomy, a sort of system that would allow people equal say in subcommunities. Indeed, these communities were present in both the US, France, and even Russia during their revolutions. It was what overruled and quashed these which became the Democracy, Dictatorship (short-lived), and Bolshevik Communism that superseded them. Sadly, people can't think long enough to implement this idea, and it is taught in so few places it has no hope to be known. Humanity is doomed to their inefficient, worthless governments in part because it is made up of fallable people who live too little to make a difference about structures set up by similarly fallable people during troubled times. But not to worry... being human is a temporary state.

03-07-2009, 09:24 AM	#11
Crazyswordsman This key doesn't work. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 10,791 Thanks: 1,019 Thanked 686 Times in 467 Posts	I want to help but give far less, because I'm poor. And I've never had much respect for celebrities just like I have little respect for investment bankers and CEOs. -CSM

03-07-2009, 01:19 PM	#13
Bomby You just freaking blew Joe Biden's mind! Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: WHAT?house Gender: Posts: 19,491 Thanks: 513 Thanked 1,449 Times in 849 Posts Blog Entries: 5	As an anarchist-communist, I approve!

03-07-2009, 04:35 PM	#14
I REALLY HATE POKEMON! Goku lives on the Sun Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: California, U.S.A Gender: Posts: 12,717 Thanks: 1,334 Thanked 275 Times in 234 Posts Blog Entries: 1	This isn't really Communism, where there is no choice involved and all property is a part of the plan and the government has total authority. The idea I propose is large scale charity, being used as a "stimulus for the people" kind of thing. I also think like PK, but too much money being dumped into our hands would result in disaster, or at least as a waste. Ideas involving large sums of money need structure.

03-07-2009, 07:48 PM	#15
Metal Man Fairy-Slaying Maniac Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: 1592 Miles Away From Here Gender: Posts: 18,062 Thanks: 148 Thanked 683 Times in 482 Posts	Of course, such charities get corrupted, people don't do voluntary things... It's just all a mess.

03-07-2009, 08:57 PM	#16
*Cosmonautical* Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I rub my tilde all over your asterisk Gender: Posts: 28,100 Thanks: 2,151 Thanked 5,338 Times in 2,433 Posts	Charities aren't what the world needs.

03-07-2009, 11:34 PM	#17
I REALLY HATE POKEMON! Goku lives on the Sun Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: California, U.S.A Gender: Posts: 12,717 Thanks: 1,334 Thanked 275 Times in 234 Posts Blog Entries: 1	This isn't really related, but I think we do need charity, in every sense of the word. People are often very cold. I won't cram definitions down your throat, we all know what the word means, but we might not be completely familiar with the synonyms. I knew it had some positive connotations at least. "Kindliness, consideration, humanity, benignity, sympathy." Sounds pretty good to me. Plus I'd like some cash. =\|

03-08-2009, 01:57 AM	#18
*CaptHayfever* Smash SuperMod Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 27,661 Thanks: 1,991 Thanked 2,486 Times in 1,513 Posts	To be blunt, I trust the United Way with my money a hell of a lot more than I trust the US government with it. And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

03-08-2009, 11:38 AM	#20
Robotazy PRESS ANY KEY TO PANIC! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: A Tiny Shed Gender: Posts: 16,483 Thanks: 529 Thanked 1,254 Times in 897 Posts Blog Entries: 46	You're riding on the assumption that people aren't complete asses and wouldn't keep the money for themselves.