The Iran crisis topic

**Crazyswordsman** · 06-17-2009, 08:31 PM

I'm sure you now know what's going on: Ahmadinejad claimed a landslide victory in an election where polls leading up to it were neck and neck. What are your thoughts?

I think the election was a fraud, and I'm not surprised because the Ayatollahs are really who controls Iran. Although somehow I wonder how much longer because every day I hear stories about the clergy becoming more moderate.

I'm especially worried because Ahmadinejad and his allies have been running over Moussavi's supporters in their cars and the government apparently photoshopped an Ahmadinejad rally to make it look like there were more people than there actually were. -CSM

**Valigarmander** · 06-17-2009, 08:35 PM

I think what we have here is a dictatorship trying to disguise itself as a democracy.

Yeah, there's something up with this election. And I don't know how Iran will take all of this, whether the government will be forced to make change, or if Tehran will become the new Tiananmen Square.

**Crazyswordsman** · 06-17-2009, 09:06 PM

^I think everyone hopes the former. Somehow I think Iran's "democracy" is just for show. -CSM

Bomby · 06-17-2009, 09:20 PM

If an Tiananmen-type event were to occur, the Iranian government would receive a much greater backlash than the PRC did.

ZeldaGirl · 06-17-2009, 10:20 PM

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I'm sure you now know what's going on: Ahmadinejad claimed a landslide victory in an election where polls leading up to it were neck and neck. What are your thoughts?

Eh, don't be too sure. There isn't a whole lot of information available, as reporters have been prohibited from reporting while in the country. Most of the news is coming from YouTube videos and Iranian tweeters, and even then you have to be careful because a lot of faux accounts are being made with false reports about what's going on.

**Crazyswordsman** · 06-17-2009, 10:24 PM

^I'd sooner believe a tweeter than any state-run newspaper. -CSM

ZeldaGirl · 06-17-2009, 10:28 PM

^My point was, the only truly reliable information is being tainted by people trying to interfere.

**Crazyswordsman** · 06-17-2009, 11:08 PM

^The NY Times is about as reliable as it gets. -CSM

Bomby · 06-17-2009, 11:23 PM

All I know about the Iran crisis is that I'm not sure how much I should believe of what is being fed. I think we're getting a much bigger picture on this story than we were a few years back during the whole Hugo Chavez fiasco, in which the US media covered quite a bit of the demonstrations against Chavez - even though there were even larger demonstrations in support of him.

**Deku Trii** · 06-18-2009, 10:45 AM

US has to be careful here. They don't need to provide Ahmadinejad with a good excuse to call the opposition a part of some western force to be opposed by "patriotic" Iranians.

Dylan · 06-18-2009, 12:01 PM

A rigged election in Iran. Who'da thunk it?

The Flattest Pancake · 06-18-2009, 06:43 PM

Well, it had to have been rigged. I mean, it's impossible for him to win about a day before the results!

I am nobody · 06-18-2009, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BOTVGH Fan

Well, it had to have been rigged. I mean, it's impossible for him to win about a day before the results!

The "results" have been in for almost a week...

The Flattest Pancake · 06-18-2009, 07:07 PM

Oh. Well, still, I think the votes were rigged!

**Crazyswordsman** · 06-18-2009, 11:32 PM

Deku: It's hard. We don't want to look like we're apologizing for the regime or supporting it in any way, but at the same time we don't want to look like nation builders. -CSM

**Valigarmander** · 06-21-2009, 09:27 PM

So, this is still going on, and it's gotten pretty big, seeing as it's dominating all other international news. Even family members of the country's clerics have been arrested in connections to the protests. Last time I checked, the official death count is around 13, but even that could be really low.

If you turn on CNN or anything right now, you're guaranteed to see coverage of the crisis, along with graphic video and images taken by amateurs and given to outside news sources, since Iran is currently in a major media blackout issued by the government. This is all still going on.

Kil'jaeden · 06-22-2009, 05:48 PM

Since the Ayatollah has all the real power, what does it matter if it was rigged or not?

ZeldaGirl · 06-24-2009, 01:11 AM

YouTube - citizentube's Channel

Apparently, youtube has set up a channel where individuals can post footage of what's going on. Frightening stuff.

DarthButcher · 07-02-2009, 11:27 PM

I honestly believe the election was rigged. The numbers just don't add up. Several different sources(Washington Post, Times, etc) have had political scientists and statitistcians analyze the number, and it was far less than 1% likelihood that the elections were truly fair.

Also, I have talked to several people in Iran, via Twitter, as well as followed what has happened via Twitter, and no government would do what Iran is doing if the elections are true and fair.

***Cosmonautical*** · 07-03-2009, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Dylan

A rigged election in Iran. Who'da thunk it?

rigged... WITH EXPLOSIVES

06-17-2009, 08:31 PM	#1
Crazyswordsman This key doesn't work. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 10,791 Thanks: 1,019 Thanked 686 Times in 467 Posts	The Iran crisis topic I'm sure you now know what's going on: Ahmadinejad claimed a landslide victory in an election where polls leading up to it were neck and neck. What are your thoughts? I think the election was a fraud, and I'm not surprised because the Ayatollahs are really who controls Iran. Although somehow I wonder how much longer because every day I hear stories about the clergy becoming more moderate. I'm especially worried because Ahmadinejad and his allies have been running over Moussavi's supporters in their cars and the government apparently photoshopped an Ahmadinejad rally to make it look like there were more people than there actually were. -CSM

06-17-2009, 08:35 PM	#2
Valigarmander The Bee's Knees Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The land of rain and trees (Oregon) Gender: Posts: 29,755 Thanks: 1,649 Thanked 5,700 Times in 2,580 Posts Blog Entries: 20	I think what we have here is a dictatorship trying to disguise itself as a democracy. Yeah, there's something up with this election. And I don't know how Iran will take all of this, whether the government will be forced to make change, or if Tehran will become the new Tiananmen Square.

06-17-2009, 09:06 PM	#3
Crazyswordsman This key doesn't work. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 10,791 Thanks: 1,019 Thanked 686 Times in 467 Posts	^I think everyone hopes the former. Somehow I think Iran's "democracy" is just for show. -CSM

06-17-2009, 09:20 PM	#4
Bomby You just freaking blew Joe Biden's mind! Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: WHAT?house Gender: Posts: 19,491 Thanks: 513 Thanked 1,449 Times in 849 Posts Blog Entries: 5	If an Tiananmen-type event were to occur, the Iranian government would receive a much greater backlash than the PRC did.

06-17-2009, 10:24 PM	#6
Crazyswordsman This key doesn't work. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 10,791 Thanks: 1,019 Thanked 686 Times in 467 Posts	^I'd sooner believe a tweeter than any state-run newspaper. -CSM

06-17-2009, 10:28 PM	#7
ZeldaGirl Awesome member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Why do YOU want to know...? Gender: Posts: 15,896 Thanks: 1,130 Thanked 1,919 Times in 1,046 Posts	^My point was, the only truly reliable information is being tainted by people trying to interfere.

06-17-2009, 11:08 PM	#8
Crazyswordsman This key doesn't work. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 10,791 Thanks: 1,019 Thanked 686 Times in 467 Posts	^The NY Times is about as reliable as it gets. -CSM

06-17-2009, 11:23 PM	#9
Bomby You just freaking blew Joe Biden's mind! Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: WHAT?house Gender: Posts: 19,491 Thanks: 513 Thanked 1,449 Times in 849 Posts Blog Entries: 5	All I know about the Iran crisis is that I'm not sure how much I should believe of what is being fed. I think we're getting a much bigger picture on this story than we were a few years back during the whole Hugo Chavez fiasco, in which the US media covered quite a bit of the demonstrations against Chavez - even though there were even larger demonstrations in support of him.

06-18-2009, 10:45 AM	#10
Deku Trii PP&R Mod Current Events Mod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Texas Gender: Posts: 9,031 Thanks: 521 Thanked 1,099 Times in 583 Posts	US has to be careful here. They don't need to provide Ahmadinejad with a good excuse to call the opposition a part of some western force to be opposed by "patriotic" Iranians.

06-18-2009, 12:01 PM	#11
Dylan Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Teenage Wasteland Gender: Posts: 7,790 Thanks: 1,632 Thanked 1,816 Times in 773 Posts	A rigged election in Iran. Who'da thunk it?

06-18-2009, 06:43 PM	#12
The Flattest Pancake Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: (insert something witty here) Gender: Posts: 1,391 Thanks: 97 Thanked 25 Times in 23 Posts Blog Entries: 8	Well, it had to have been rigged. I mean, it's impossible for him to win about a day before the results!

06-18-2009, 07:07 PM	#14
The Flattest Pancake Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: (insert something witty here) Gender: Posts: 1,391 Thanks: 97 Thanked 25 Times in 23 Posts Blog Entries: 8	Oh. Well, still, I think the votes were rigged!

06-18-2009, 11:32 PM	#15
Crazyswordsman This key doesn't work. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 10,791 Thanks: 1,019 Thanked 686 Times in 467 Posts	Deku: It's hard. We don't want to look like we're apologizing for the regime or supporting it in any way, but at the same time we don't want to look like nation builders. -CSM

06-21-2009, 09:27 PM	#16
Valigarmander The Bee's Knees Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The land of rain and trees (Oregon) Gender: Posts: 29,755 Thanks: 1,649 Thanked 5,700 Times in 2,580 Posts Blog Entries: 20	So, this is still going on, and it's gotten pretty big, seeing as it's dominating all other international news. Even family members of the country's clerics have been arrested in connections to the protests. Last time I checked, the official death count is around 13, but even that could be really low. If you turn on CNN or anything right now, you're guaranteed to see coverage of the crisis, along with graphic video and images taken by amateurs and given to outside news sources, since Iran is currently in a major media blackout issued by the government. This is all still going on.

06-22-2009, 05:48 PM	#17
Kil'jaeden Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: in your mind Gender: Posts: 2,132 Thanks: 21 Thanked 146 Times in 99 Posts	Since the Ayatollah has all the real power, what does it matter if it was rigged or not?

06-24-2009, 01:11 AM	#18
ZeldaGirl Awesome member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Why do YOU want to know...? Gender: Posts: 15,896 Thanks: 1,130 Thanked 1,919 Times in 1,046 Posts	YouTube - citizentube's Channel Apparently, youtube has set up a channel where individuals can post footage of what's going on. Frightening stuff.

07-02-2009, 11:27 PM	#19
DarthButcher Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Nintendo Nation.com Gender: Posts: 2,588 Thanks: 12 Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts	I honestly believe the election was rigged. The numbers just don't add up. Several different sources(Washington Post, Times, etc) have had political scientists and statitistcians analyze the number, and it was far less than 1% likelihood that the elections were truly fair. Also, I have talked to several people in Iran, via Twitter, as well as followed what has happened via Twitter, and no government would do what Iran is doing if the elections are true and fair.