New Tobacco Regulation law

**Deku Trii** · 06-22-2009, 10:57 PM

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama , who still struggles with his own addiction to cigarettes, on Monday signed into law the most sweeping federal anti-tobacco legislation to pass Congress in decades.

The law gives the Food and Drug Administration broad authority to regulate the marketing and manufacture of tobacco products. It bans fruit- and spice-flavored cigarettes, slaps expansive new warnings on packages and gets rid of the monikers "light" and "low-tar."

It also allows the FDA to order manufacturers to reduce — though not eliminate — the amount of the addictive chemical nicotine that's in cigarettes...

Obama signs tobacco regulation bill into law - Yahoo! News

Hope none of you like clove cigarettes. I don't smoke, but I tend to be pretty libertarian about this sort of issue.

**Valigarmander** · 06-23-2009, 01:03 AM

Huh. I didn't know Obama smoked.

Panfan · 06-23-2009, 01:31 AM

I heard somebody mention it during election time being like "YEAH MCCAIN MIGHT DIE FROM OLD AGE BUT OBAMA SMOKES SO THERE"

Also, I don't mind regulating tobacco, I'm just hoping that It'll still be legal to smoke my lettuce.

t3hDarkness · 06-23-2009, 03:35 AM

Can I still get my Cognac and weirdly flavored cigars?

Vgfian · 06-23-2009, 03:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macho Pan Fan-dy Savage

I heard somebody mention it during election time being like "YEAH MCCAIN MIGHT DIE FROM OLD AGE BUT OBAMA SMOKES SO THERE"

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Hi.

Actually , it was that he was an extremely heavy smoker, and that he was at a huge risk of cancer.

I was mainly trying to keep people from discrimitely voting against McCain over his age.

**Deku Trii** · 06-23-2009, 07:13 AM

^It's not much of an argument. I don't know how much he smokes, but even if Obama ended up with cancer he'd be likely to survive his term. And in the unlikely event that he didn't, he wasn't going to leave us with Palin.

Kil'jaeden · 06-23-2009, 01:16 PM

I see this as the government not minding its own business, as usual.

***CaptHayfever*** · 06-23-2009, 01:52 PM

^^Yeah, I think a lot of people were voting based on the veeps this time. Biden's a blowhard, but he's a sane blowhard.

I remember seeing a lot of photos of Obama smoking last year. Or maybe just the same photo a lot of times.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Pyropunk · 06-23-2009, 06:50 PM

*shrugs* don't care... i think it's funny that he's passed it AND he smokes... he'll probably do a good job pissing off a ton of smokers.

***Saria Dragon of the Rain Wilds*** · 06-23-2009, 08:59 PM

I don't agree with banning flavoured cigarettes, but the rest is pretty good.

Darth_Flava · 06-24-2009, 11:13 AM

Now hear is my question. With this new regulation, what's going to happen to all the employees working in the tobacco industry.

Panfan · 06-24-2009, 12:47 PM

^ nothing's going to happen to the employees directly (they may lose profits if their big sellers were the flavored cigarettes and get laid off). They're still allowed to sell non-flavored cigarettes. And the labeling isn't gonna do ****. Smokers already know they're at a higher risk of cancer, but they do it anyway.

Metal Man · 06-24-2009, 12:59 PM

It seems aimed at preventing new smokers rather than removing old ones anyway.

Dylan · 06-24-2009, 04:11 PM

Dude, I love cloves.

NEVAR FORGET

**Crazyswordsman** · 06-24-2009, 08:43 PM

Whatever it takes to stop smoking in public, I'll support. Normally I take a liberatarian position on drugs, but when you lived in Missouri for four years and you couldn't see in practically ANY bar (and got home with a headache due to the smoke), you start to want to stop it. -CSM

Bomby · 06-24-2009, 08:51 PM

I feel that anyone with a libertarian stance on drugs should really take a look at Chinese History, specifically the 1800's.

Dylan · 06-24-2009, 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crazyswordsman

Whatever it takes to stop smoking in public, I'll support. Normally I take a liberatarian position on drugs, but when you lived in Missouri for four years and you couldn't see in practically ANY bar (and got home with a headache due to the smoke), you start to want to stop it. -CSM

What if I want to smoke hookah in private? Seems pretty fascist to me.

**Deku Trii** · 06-24-2009, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bomby

I feel that anyone with a libertarian stance on drugs should really take a look at Chinese History, specifically the 1800's.

I don't have a libertarian stance on all drugs, so maybe this doesn't apply to me, but would you mind saving me some time?

**Valigarmander** · 06-24-2009, 11:09 PM

Opium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Opium Wars - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Basically, drugs were coming to China from Britain, and turning it into a den of drug abuse and nonproductivity. It was one of the main factors leading to the end of the Chinese dynasties in the 19th century.

Lurch1982 · 06-28-2009, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crazyswordsman

Whatever it takes to stop smoking in public, I'll support. Normally I take a liberatarian position on drugs, but when you lived in Missouri for four years and you couldn't see in practically ANY bar (and got home with a headache due to the smoke), you start to want to stop it. -CSM

Aside from the simple fact that drinking in bars is inherently more dangerous to your health than second hand smoke, I don't buy into smoking bans for health because there are far worse offenders in the air that get a free pass.

06-22-2009, 10:57 PM	#1
Deku Trii PP&R Mod Current Events Mod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Texas Gender: Posts: 9,031 Thanks: 521 Thanked 1,099 Times in 583 Posts	New Tobacco Regulation law WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama , who still struggles with his own addiction to cigarettes, on Monday signed into law the most sweeping federal anti-tobacco legislation to pass Congress in decades. The law gives the Food and Drug Administration broad authority to regulate the marketing and manufacture of tobacco products. It bans fruit- and spice-flavored cigarettes, slaps expansive new warnings on packages and gets rid of the monikers "light" and "low-tar." It also allows the FDA to order manufacturers to reduce — though not eliminate — the amount of the addictive chemical nicotine that's in cigarettes... Obama signs tobacco regulation bill into law - Yahoo! News Hope none of you like clove cigarettes. I don't smoke, but I tend to be pretty libertarian about this sort of issue.

06-23-2009, 01:03 AM	#2
Valigarmander The Bee's Knees Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The land of rain and trees (Oregon) Gender: Posts: 29,755 Thanks: 1,649 Thanked 5,700 Times in 2,580 Posts Blog Entries: 20	Huh. I didn't know Obama smoked.

06-23-2009, 01:31 AM	#3
Panfan AND HE PRAYS Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Grayskull Gender: Posts: 18,806 Thanks: 1,405 Thanked 2,250 Times in 1,338 Posts Blog Entries: 15	I heard somebody mention it during election time being like "YEAH MCCAIN MIGHT DIE FROM OLD AGE BUT OBAMA SMOKES SO THERE" Also, I don't mind regulating tobacco, I'm just hoping that It'll still be legal to smoke my lettuce.

06-23-2009, 03:35 AM	#4
t3hDarkness Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: I weep oily black tears of joy. Gender: Posts: 7,590 Thanks: 119 Thanked 418 Times in 306 Posts Blog Entries: 5	Can I still get my Cognac and weirdly flavored cigars?

06-23-2009, 07:13 AM	#6
Deku Trii PP&R Mod Current Events Mod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Texas Gender: Posts: 9,031 Thanks: 521 Thanked 1,099 Times in 583 Posts	^It's not much of an argument. I don't know how much he smokes, but even if Obama ended up with cancer he'd be likely to survive his term. And in the unlikely event that he didn't, he wasn't going to leave us with Palin.

06-23-2009, 01:16 PM	#7
Kil'jaeden Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: in your mind Gender: Posts: 2,132 Thanks: 21 Thanked 146 Times in 99 Posts	I see this as the government not minding its own business, as usual.

06-23-2009, 01:52 PM	#8
*CaptHayfever* Smash SuperMod Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 27,661 Thanks: 1,991 Thanked 2,486 Times in 1,513 Posts	^^Yeah, I think a lot of people were voting based on the veeps this time. Biden's a blowhard, but he's a sane blowhard. I remember seeing a lot of photos of Obama smoking last year. Or maybe just the same photo a lot of times. And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

06-23-2009, 06:50 PM	#9
Pyropunk Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Orlando, FL Gender: Posts: 367 Thanks: 139 Thanked 26 Times in 25 Posts	shrugs don't care... i think it's funny that he's passed it AND he smokes... he'll probably do a good job pissing off a ton of smokers.

06-23-2009, 08:59 PM	#10
*Saria Dragon of the Rain Wilds* Admin "mine.. not yours. NO. MINE." Epic Ladynerd Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Forteresse de Valois Gender: Posts: 28,504 Thanks: 1,658 Thanked 1,820 Times in 1,042 Posts	I don't agree with banning flavoured cigarettes, but the rest is pretty good.

06-24-2009, 11:13 AM	#11
Darth_Flava Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: North Carolina Gender: Posts: 137 Thanks: 2 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	Now hear is my question. With this new regulation, what's going to happen to all the employees working in the tobacco industry.

06-24-2009, 12:47 PM	#12
Panfan AND HE PRAYS Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Grayskull Gender: Posts: 18,806 Thanks: 1,405 Thanked 2,250 Times in 1,338 Posts Blog Entries: 15	^ nothing's going to happen to the employees directly (they may lose profits if their big sellers were the flavored cigarettes and get laid off). They're still allowed to sell non-flavored cigarettes. And the labeling isn't gonna do ****. Smokers already know they're at a higher risk of cancer, but they do it anyway.

06-24-2009, 12:59 PM	#13
Metal Man Fairy-Slaying Maniac Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: 1592 Miles Away From Here Gender: Posts: 18,062 Thanks: 148 Thanked 683 Times in 482 Posts	It seems aimed at preventing new smokers rather than removing old ones anyway.

06-24-2009, 04:11 PM	#14
Dylan Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Teenage Wasteland Gender: Posts: 7,790 Thanks: 1,632 Thanked 1,816 Times in 773 Posts	Dude, I love cloves. NEVAR FORGET

06-24-2009, 08:43 PM	#15
Crazyswordsman This key doesn't work. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 10,791 Thanks: 1,019 Thanked 686 Times in 467 Posts	Whatever it takes to stop smoking in public, I'll support. Normally I take a liberatarian position on drugs, but when you lived in Missouri for four years and you couldn't see in practically ANY bar (and got home with a headache due to the smoke), you start to want to stop it. -CSM

06-24-2009, 08:51 PM	#16
Bomby You just freaking blew Joe Biden's mind! Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: WHAT?house Gender: Posts: 19,491 Thanks: 513 Thanked 1,449 Times in 849 Posts Blog Entries: 5	I feel that anyone with a libertarian stance on drugs should really take a look at Chinese History, specifically the 1800's.

06-24-2009, 11:09 PM	#19
Valigarmander The Bee's Knees Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The land of rain and trees (Oregon) Gender: Posts: 29,755 Thanks: 1,649 Thanked 5,700 Times in 2,580 Posts Blog Entries: 20	Opium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Opium Wars - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Basically, drugs were coming to China from Britain, and turning it into a den of drug abuse and nonproductivity. It was one of the main factors leading to the end of the Chinese dynasties in the 19th century.