Who else sees through this Astroturfing?

**Crazyswordsman** · 08-05-2009, 07:47 PM

You know, those Republican activists descending on Democratic congresspeople's town hall meetings, including people who don't live in the congressperson's district and people who physically assault congresspeople.

Of course, these efforts have been spearheaded by lobbyist groups, including a group run by Dick Armey. Don't believe me? Here's Colbert to prove it. -CSM

Metal Mario · 08-05-2009, 08:14 PM

Here's some liberals shutting down a speech at Colombia University.

Click to view video.

And here's some liberals shutting down a speech at UNC-Chapel Hill.

Click to view video.

And here's some liberals blocking a military shipment (they support the troops, though).

Click to view video.

And here's some liberals chasing some Christian evangelists out of a neighborhood.

Click to view video.

And here's some liberals bullying an elderly protester and defiling her crucifix.

Click to view video.

And just for good measure, here's a nice little article that compares the treatment of protesters during the Bush years with the treatment of protesters now.

Maximum Spider · 08-05-2009, 08:27 PM

I think it's pretty much obvious by this point everything conservatives say is null and void when it comes to important matters.

Metal Mario · 08-05-2009, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Conservatives=Liars

I think it's pretty much obvious by this point everything conservatives say is null and void when it comes to important matters.

Everyone has the right to freedom of expression.........unless they're Republicans or Christians.

**Valigarmander** · 08-05-2009, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metal Mario

Here's some liberals shutting down a speech at Colombia University.

Click to view video.

And here's some liberals shutting down a speech at UNC-Chapel Hill.

Click to view video.

And here's some liberals blocking a military shipment (they support the troops, though).

Click to view video.

And here's some liberals chasing some Christian evangelists out of a neighborhood.

Click to view video.

And here's some liberals bullying an elderly protester and defiling her crucifix.

Click to view video.

And just for good measure, here's a nice little article that compares the treatment of protesters during the Bush years with the treatment of protesters now.

Two wrongs make a right?

**Crazyswordsman** · 08-05-2009, 08:48 PM

Actually when Republicans hold town hall meetings, they screen people who attend. And the Young America Foundation, a conservative group, kicks out liberal reporters and laughs at them, while the Campus Progress, their liberal rivals, allow them in.

I guess IOKIYAR -CSM

Metal Mario · 08-05-2009, 08:53 PM

So there's bad behavior on both sides.

**Valigarmander** · 08-05-2009, 08:55 PM

Yes, I agree. But that doesn't make it right in either case, does it?

Panfan · 08-05-2009, 08:58 PM

yes, we have to realize there are total douches in every party

***Cosmonautical*** · 08-06-2009, 07:59 AM

WHAT BUT THEY'RE AMERICANS AND AMERICA IS THE PERFECT COUNTRY NEVER FORGET THESE COLORS DON'T RUN

Bomby · 08-06-2009, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Metal Mario

Everyone has the right to freedom of expression.........unless they're Republicans or Christians.

The day Christians are anywhere near as discriminated against as non-Christians in this country, I will give you $5.

Demonicus Prime · 08-06-2009, 11:34 AM

^I'd give even more than that.

Metal Mario · 08-06-2009, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bomby

The day Christians are anywhere near as discriminated against as non-Christians in this country, I will give you $5.

Two wrongs make a right?

Metal Man · 08-06-2009, 03:52 PM

In this topic: Metal Mario gives us an idea of the tactics conservatives use to astro-turf and confuse conversations away from their actual point.

However I shall set the train on the track by saying nothing Metal Mario said on this issue means anything and replying to it will just aid his agenda of distracting the conversation from its point with irrelevant nonsense.

So then, on to the main point. Yes, I see through it, it's blatantly obvious that, rather than making better arguments, conservatives are just yelling louder and more incoherently, thinking that 'No' is an actual strategy to make health insurance work, and that 'No' will somehow restore their image in the minds of voters.

When in reality there are good conservatives out there, and rational conservative solutions to these problems--but the current idea in vogue is a mix of fear and victimology, a vile, hideous plague which is reminiscent of certain Godwin-style conversation destroying bombs.

Why cannot Metal Mario make his own topics and discuss his ideas rationally? Because they have no justification, no reason, and no intelligence. Just mindless yelling.

I don't have any problems with Metal Mario as a person, or outside politics, but when it comes to politics, he apparently never learned when to shut the **** up and think before he said something.

heh · 08-06-2009, 04:57 PM

well you see their is alot of bad things on both sides

*previous president starts two wars, collapses strong economy left over from the president before him, tortures innocents, tortures guilty, destroys national image, millions of people cry about country being ruined *

*current president tries to fix healthcare, millions of people cry about the country being ruined*

I REALLY HATE POKEMON! · 08-06-2009, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bomby

The day Christians are anywhere near as discriminated against as non-Christians in this country, I will give you $5.

Get your check book ready for retroactive payment. You owe a lot of money, good sir.

Bomby · 08-06-2009, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metal Mario

Two wrongs make a right?

No. Compensation money.

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Originally Posted by I REALLY HATE POKEMON!

Get your check book ready for retroactive payment. You owe a lot of money, good sir.

heh · 08-06-2009, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I REALLY HATE POKEMON!

Get your check book ready for retroactive payment. You owe a lot of money, good sir.

i too remember when Christians were ousted from their home land they owned for thousands of years, used as slaves, put in concentration camps during a war with their homeland, harassed at airports during a war with the homeland of their religon, and constantly thrown out of the country

Bomby · 08-06-2009, 05:34 PM

^ Come on, dude. We're totally suppressing their right to keep gays from getting married, their right to say "Merry Christmas" instead of "Happy Holidays," their right to teach teach intelligent design in science class, etc.

I REALLY HATE POKEMON! · 08-06-2009, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by radical centrist muslim

i too remember when Christians were ousted from their home land they owned for thousands of years, used as slaves, put in concentration camps during a war with their homeland, harassed at airports during a war with the homeland of their religon, and constantly thrown out of the country

Yeah, because everybody knows that what you listed and described is the only way people can be discriminated against. Yeppers, gotta be slaves and all, even though that's not possible in this country anymore, so I guess that obviously means there is no discrimination anymore in America, lol.

Or maybe, just damn well maybe, you're completely ignorant on the subject of discrimination in today's society. I think that's what it is, because I've seen plenty of it myself, and all around, and here's a ****ing hint, it doesn't, nor does it HAVE to include concentration camps. Example. My uncle can't get a job because he has tattoos. Discrimination.

Example. I can't talk about my Christian beliefs in public (tried a month or so back with some acquaintances while eating breakfast) without being told that I'm being "offensive" and that I'm starting an "argument". But they can talk about WICCA to great lengths.

Discrimination.

It's everywhere in society, in both small and large scale, ingrained in us in many ways, and on many levels. And Christianity is just as discriminated against as anything else, if not moreso as of late (while I expect it to rise even moreso, unfortunately). Christians can't even say they're discriminated against or else we have "martyr complexes" and are told "NUH-UH, 'CUZ YOU'RE A BIG-BIG RELIGION DURR" along with something like:

"The day Christians are anywhere near as discriminated against as non-Christians in this country, I will give you $5. "

Yeah, but whatever, I'm wrong rite?

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Originally Posted by Bomby

^ Come on, dude. We're totally suppressing their right to keep gays from getting married, their right to say "Merry Christmas" instead of "Happy Holidays," their right to teach teach intelligent design in science class, etc.

Yeah, and they're totally not supressing our right to live naturally and morally, while keeping our children uninfluenced by the nonsensical and twisted views of their culture. They're completely, so-totally not doing that.

Oh, and yeah, who cares if Happy Holidays replaces Merry Christmas, it's so stupid to care that freedom of speech is being eradicated.

And take the schools. Just don't interfere with homeschooling; keep your fingers out of the cookie jar.

08-05-2009, 07:47 PM	#1
Crazyswordsman This key doesn't work. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 10,791 Thanks: 1,019 Thanked 686 Times in 467 Posts	Who else sees through this Astroturfing? You know, those Republican activists descending on Democratic congresspeople's town hall meetings, including people who don't live in the congressperson's district and people who physically assault congresspeople. Of course, these efforts have been spearheaded by lobbyist groups, including a group run by Dick Armey. Don't believe me? Here's Colbert to prove it. -CSM

08-05-2009, 08:27 PM	#3
Maximum Spider Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: I'll take Street Fighter over Dragonball any day. Gender: Posts: 2,549 Thanks: 0 Thanked 191 Times in 126 Posts	I think it's pretty much obvious by this point everything conservatives say is null and void when it comes to important matters.

08-05-2009, 08:48 PM	#6
Crazyswordsman This key doesn't work. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 10,791 Thanks: 1,019 Thanked 686 Times in 467 Posts	Actually when Republicans hold town hall meetings, they screen people who attend. And the Young America Foundation, a conservative group, kicks out liberal reporters and laughs at them, while the Campus Progress, their liberal rivals, allow them in. I guess IOKIYAR -CSM

08-05-2009, 08:53 PM	#7
Metal Mario Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 1999 Gender: Posts: 16,435 Thanks: 72 Thanked 190 Times in 127 Posts	So there's bad behavior on both sides.

08-05-2009, 08:55 PM	#8
Valigarmander The Bee's Knees Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The land of rain and trees (Oregon) Gender: Posts: 29,755 Thanks: 1,649 Thanked 5,700 Times in 2,580 Posts Blog Entries: 20	Yes, I agree. But that doesn't make it right in either case, does it?

08-05-2009, 08:58 PM	#9
Panfan AND HE PRAYS Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Grayskull Gender: Posts: 18,806 Thanks: 1,405 Thanked 2,250 Times in 1,338 Posts Blog Entries: 15	yes, we have to realize there are total douches in every party

08-06-2009, 07:59 AM	#10
*Cosmonautical* Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I rub my tilde all over your asterisk Gender: Posts: 28,100 Thanks: 2,151 Thanked 5,338 Times in 2,433 Posts	WHAT BUT THEY'RE AMERICANS AND AMERICA IS THE PERFECT COUNTRY NEVER FORGET THESE COLORS DON'T RUN

08-06-2009, 11:34 AM	#12
Demonicus Prime Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: I Pity The Fool Who Confuses Me With Someone Other Than YoshiFreak. Gender: Posts: 3,108 Thanks: 648 Thanked 129 Times in 87 Posts	^I'd give even more than that.

08-06-2009, 03:52 PM	#14
Metal Man Fairy-Slaying Maniac Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: 1592 Miles Away From Here Gender: Posts: 18,062 Thanks: 148 Thanked 683 Times in 482 Posts	In this topic: Metal Mario gives us an idea of the tactics conservatives use to astro-turf and confuse conversations away from their actual point. However I shall set the train on the track by saying nothing Metal Mario said on this issue means anything and replying to it will just aid his agenda of distracting the conversation from its point with irrelevant nonsense. So then, on to the main point. Yes, I see through it, it's blatantly obvious that, rather than making better arguments, conservatives are just yelling louder and more incoherently, thinking that 'No' is an actual strategy to make health insurance work, and that 'No' will somehow restore their image in the minds of voters. When in reality there are good conservatives out there, and rational conservative solutions to these problems--but the current idea in vogue is a mix of fear and victimology, a vile, hideous plague which is reminiscent of certain Godwin-style conversation destroying bombs. Why cannot Metal Mario make his own topics and discuss his ideas rationally? Because they have no justification, no reason, and no intelligence. Just mindless yelling. I don't have any problems with Metal Mario as a person, or outside politics, but when it comes to politics, he apparently never learned when to shut the **** up and think before he said something.

08-06-2009, 04:57 PM	#15
heh Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: lo-ca-tion; Noun- 1. a place or situation occupied: That house is in a fine location Gender: Posts: 9,849 Thanks: 710 Thanked 955 Times in 628 Posts	well you see their is alot of bad things on both sides previous president starts two wars, collapses strong economy left over from the president before him, tortures innocents, tortures guilty, destroys national image, millions of people cry about country being ruined current president tries to fix healthcare, millions of people cry about the country being ruined

08-06-2009, 05:34 PM	#19
Bomby You just freaking blew Joe Biden's mind! Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: WHAT?house Gender: Posts: 19,491 Thanks: 513 Thanked 1,449 Times in 849 Posts Blog Entries: 5	^ Come on, dude. We're totally suppressing their right to keep gays from getting married, their right to say "Merry Christmas" instead of "Happy Holidays," their right to teach teach intelligent design in science class, etc.