Tom Ridge "Pressured to Raise Terror Alert" to help Bush win?

Mario271 · 08-20-2009, 10:58 PM

Tom Ridge: I Was Pressured To Raise Terror Alert To Help Bush Win

On the eve of the election...more Republican fear-mongering revealed. So could it be argued that Bush didn't legitimately win either election? Do you think that this would have influenced voting that much?

Also, I enjoyed Tom Ridge's "MAH BOI" picture in the article.

***Cosmonautical*** · 08-20-2009, 11:05 PM

Seems like reverse logic. Why vote for the guy who was in office, and allowed the terrorist attacks to happen?

**Crazyswordsman** · 08-20-2009, 11:15 PM

Fear. -CSM

Metal Man · 08-20-2009, 11:22 PM

The Terror Alert never really meant anything, anyway. It's now sort of become stuck on yellow and nobody looks at it anymore.

***Booyakasha*** · 08-20-2009, 11:40 PM

Forgive me, Mario271, but anyone who claims Bush's victory in 2000 was illegitimate has either been fooled by others or is fooling himself.

Metal Man · 08-20-2009, 11:43 PM

It wasn't illegitimate.

It just was one of those cases where the president only won by electoral college votes.

***Booyakasha*** · 08-20-2009, 11:46 PM

It happens. That's the law.

Robotazy · 08-20-2009, 11:48 PM

FLORIDA!

*Shakes Fist*

Bomby · 08-20-2009, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MANLY RIPPLING MUSCLES

Seems like reverse logic. Why vote for the guy who was in office, and allowed the terrorist attacks to happen?

That's what I was saying the whole time! People are so... logic averse.

Mario271 · 08-20-2009, 11:54 PM

Of course it's the law. But looking back on that situation in Florida, some of the counties in Florida did NOT recount their votes as was required by Florida law at the time (machine recount)--they simply retabulated the memory cards, or reported the same numbers. Knowing that (and the fact that Bush's lead began to shrink after the state was called for him--due to an error in one of the Florida counties), I find it difficult to believe that the count was really accurate at all. You have to keep in mind also that while Gore was trying to count the votes, Bush wanted to create his "transition" team and claim victory. The whole situation itself was very fishy. Call me a fool or whatever you'd like, that's your opinion--and I'm entitled to mine as well.

But this thread isn't about the 2000 election, so let's keep it on topic.

Bomby · 08-20-2009, 11:57 PM

It's not really any news that the Bush administration did politically shifty things. Fear-mongering was their strong suit, and appears to be the strong suit of the Republican party to this day.

BTW, I'll be back soon. I have a decision to make with the rest of my Death Panel on whether or not I should pull some old Grandma's plug.

***Booyakasha*** · 08-21-2009, 12:05 AM

^^I didn't bring up the 2000 election, friend---you did.

Take whatever opinion you like on the issue. Far from thinking you a fool, I'm delighted to know you've analysed the events in question---all too many people consider the election illegitimate not because it was so very close, but because they see conspiracies everywhere.

Lurch1982 · 08-21-2009, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Booyakasha

Forgive me, Mario271, but anyone who claims Bush's victory in 2000 was illegitimate has either been fooled by others or is fooling himself.

In any other country, the press would have called it a coup detat.

***Cosmonautical*** · 08-21-2009, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Booyakasha

Forgive me, Mario271, but anyone who claims Bush's victory in 2000 was illegitimate has either been fooled by others or is fooling himself.

While US law managed to once again fail to represent the choice of the voters', it was about as legit as anything to come from a bunch of guys who want to tell everyone else what to do can hope to get. Personally, I think Bush's people would've been willing to do anything short of another Watergate scandal to get what they want.

08-20-2009, 10:58 PM	#1
Mario271 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Ohio Gender: Posts: 2,751 Thanks: 61 Thanked 13 Times in 10 Posts	Tom Ridge "Pressured to Raise Terror Alert" to help Bush win? Tom Ridge: I Was Pressured To Raise Terror Alert To Help Bush Win On the eve of the election...more Republican fear-mongering revealed. So could it be argued that Bush didn't legitimately win either election? Do you think that this would have influenced voting that much? Also, I enjoyed Tom Ridge's "MAH BOI" picture in the article.

08-20-2009, 11:54 PM	#10
Mario271 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Ohio Gender: Posts: 2,751 Thanks: 61 Thanked 13 Times in 10 Posts	Of course it's the law. But looking back on that situation in Florida, some of the counties in Florida did NOT recount their votes as was required by Florida law at the time (machine recount)--they simply retabulated the memory cards, or reported the same numbers. Knowing that (and the fact that Bush's lead began to shrink after the state was called for him--due to an error in one of the Florida counties), I find it difficult to believe that the count was really accurate at all. You have to keep in mind also that while Gore was trying to count the votes, Bush wanted to create his "transition" team and claim victory. The whole situation itself was very fishy. Call me a fool or whatever you'd like, that's your opinion--and I'm entitled to mine as well. But this thread isn't about the 2000 election, so let's keep it on topic. Last edited by Mario271; 08-21-2009 at 12:03 AM.

08-20-2009, 11:05 PM	#2
*Cosmonautical* Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I rub my tilde all over your asterisk Gender: Posts: 28,100 Thanks: 2,151 Thanked 5,338 Times in 2,433 Posts	Seems like reverse logic. Why vote for the guy who was in office, and allowed the terrorist attacks to happen?

08-20-2009, 11:15 PM	#3
Crazyswordsman This key doesn't work. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 10,791 Thanks: 1,019 Thanked 686 Times in 467 Posts	Fear. -CSM

08-20-2009, 11:22 PM	#4
Metal Man Fairy-Slaying Maniac Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: 1592 Miles Away From Here Gender: Posts: 18,062 Thanks: 148 Thanked 683 Times in 482 Posts	The Terror Alert never really meant anything, anyway. It's now sort of become stuck on yellow and nobody looks at it anymore.

08-20-2009, 11:40 PM	#5
*Booyakasha* SuperMod of War Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Wisconsinland Gender: Posts: 9,945 Thanks: 157 Thanked 1,481 Times in 763 Posts	Forgive me, Mario271, but anyone who claims Bush's victory in 2000 was illegitimate has either been fooled by others or is fooling himself.

08-20-2009, 11:43 PM	#6
Metal Man Fairy-Slaying Maniac Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: 1592 Miles Away From Here Gender: Posts: 18,062 Thanks: 148 Thanked 683 Times in 482 Posts	It wasn't illegitimate. It just was one of those cases where the president only won by electoral college votes.

08-20-2009, 11:46 PM	#7
*Booyakasha* SuperMod of War Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Wisconsinland Gender: Posts: 9,945 Thanks: 157 Thanked 1,481 Times in 763 Posts	It happens. That's the law.

08-20-2009, 11:48 PM	#8
Robotazy PRESS ANY KEY TO PANIC! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: A Tiny Shed Gender: Posts: 16,483 Thanks: 529 Thanked 1,254 Times in 897 Posts Blog Entries: 46	FLORIDA! Shakes Fist

08-20-2009, 11:57 PM	#11
Bomby You just freaking blew Joe Biden's mind! Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: WHAT?house Gender: Posts: 19,491 Thanks: 513 Thanked 1,449 Times in 849 Posts Blog Entries: 5	It's not really any news that the Bush administration did politically shifty things. Fear-mongering was their strong suit, and appears to be the strong suit of the Republican party to this day. BTW, I'll be back soon. I have a decision to make with the rest of my Death Panel on whether or not I should pull some old Grandma's plug.

08-21-2009, 12:05 AM	#12
*Booyakasha* SuperMod of War Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Wisconsinland Gender: Posts: 9,945 Thanks: 157 Thanked 1,481 Times in 763 Posts	^^I didn't bring up the 2000 election, friend---you did. Take whatever opinion you like on the issue. Far from thinking you a fool, I'm delighted to know you've analysed the events in question---all too many people consider the election illegitimate not because it was so very close, but because they see conspiracies everywhere.