Attention Anarchists

***Cosmonautical*** · 09-12-2009, 12:56 AM

If you are angry about the current system, it is not because it is not an anarchist system. You are under-thinking the complications of anarchism:

We are in fact anarchists, comprising larger anarchist bodies. The many will subjugate the few, it is human nature. I am sorry to be the bringer of bad news, but the government is just as hXc as you are. They are a big nasty anarchist collective that won't take no **** from no other anarchist collectives.

If you are feeling particularily repressed, tough tits. That's what happens when you interact with other people. You win some, you lose some, and you particularly lose when what you're fighting is the collective will of 300 million other self-centered jerks who happen to have decided they agree with one another.

Now, people might think this is a shot at liberalism, if they don't know me well. It's actually a shot at human perspectives. People absorb terms and attach context and meaning to them that is a hindrance to their understanding. Language is imperfect, we need to rethink and constantly evaluate our use of it. Abstract concepts are not concrete. As a sadly unhappy man, George Carlin, once observed: You have no rights. If these things can be taken from you, if they can be subverted, they are sadly just a very pretty concept that is meant to make us feel secure in a world of uncertainty.

**Valigarmander** · 09-12-2009, 01:04 AM

> anarchists as an organized group

Does not compute.

Robotazy · 09-12-2009, 01:19 AM

That does explain how I get ambushed by Anarchist Warriors evertime I try to lockpick into Congress.

***Cosmonautical*** · 09-12-2009, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Valigarmander

> anarchists as an organized group

Does not compute.

Organization isn't really an issue, though. It's what happens when people are free to do what they want: they interact, they deal with odds as a bigger group. They're separatist collectivists, they think of themselves as individuals acting out their own part in a larger scheme which happens to be abstract and therefore illusory; it's essentially fictional. The organization part is basically just a facet of human understanding, these things appear organized because they have been placed in a fashion conducive to our interaction. That they have been place this way is not absolute, we can rearrange it to something more chaotic should we agree to choose to do so, but that would be unconducive to the collective's aim.

More importantly, chaos is another human illusion, because organization is a fictional concept. We make rational assessments based on what we perceive patterns in, it is our parsing system.

Microphone_Kirby · 09-12-2009, 01:40 AM

... Your two "parts" don't seem to make sense put together, so I'm just taking on one of them.

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Originally Posted by MANLY RIPPLING MUSCLES

It's actually a shot at human perspectives. People absorb terms and attach context and meaning to them that is a hindrance to their understanding. Language is imperfect, we need to rethink and constantly evaluate our use of it. Abstract concepts are not concrete. As a sadly unhappy man, George Carlin, once observed: You have no rights. If these things can be taken from you, if they can be subverted, they are sadly just a very pretty concept that is meant to make us feel secure in a world of uncertainty.

I can think of a lot of things that sound nice when taken by dictionary definition... and in the same vein, those can be easily be taken away.

... I'll be direct since I want this Crystal Clear: are you (not George Carlin) saying that concepts like happiness, hope, love, honor, peace, and anything like them are just... petty and abstract?

Robotazy · 09-12-2009, 01:46 AM

Anything can be petty and abstract if you want it to. Right down to sex, living beings, and even life itself.

A mind can be told to look at something in a certain angle, and if certain logic is applied, they will believe this angle is correct. The truth is most ideals hold true because so many people believe in them.

Kil'jaeden · 09-12-2009, 04:01 AM

The world is a battle royale of wills? What's new?

***Cosmonautical*** · 09-12-2009, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Microphone_Kirby

I can think of a lot of things that sound nice when taken by dictionary definition... and in the same vein, those can be easily be taken away.

... I'll be direct since I want this Crystal Clear: are you (not George Carlin) saying that concepts like happiness, hope, love, honor, peace, and anything like them are just... petty and abstract?

I draw the line at things that physically manifest. Emotions, for instance, have abstract names and concepts attached to them that are often incorrect, but for the most part manifest physically in your body. In the same way, however, you have partial rein of your emotions. You can alter your feelings about a matter by choosing an alternate perception. That doesn't mean people actively do, but along those lines the abstract associations are not physical. Love, for instance, is not a bouquet of roses or a heart-shaped box of chocolates. Those are mutual associations. The phenomenon of belief in ideas does not make an idea universal.

The concept of pettiness is in itself abstract and trivial, though, so I disagree with your assumption that lack of physical association makes a concept necessarily petty. It just makes it an immaterial concept.

If my "two" parts don't seem to connect, it is because you have not seen the tie between the concepts: That they are examining language and its use. Words associated with abstracts cannot be used universally.

Sim Kid · 09-12-2009, 11:36 PM

"I threatened the president and now the secret service is arresting me! THERE'S VIOLENCE INHERENT IN THE SYSTEM!!! HELP HELP I'M BEING REPRESSED!"

***Cosmonautical*** · 09-13-2009, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Sim Kid

"I threatened the president and now the secret service is arresting me! THERE'S VIOLENCE INHERENT IN THE SYSTEM!!! HELP HELP I'M BEING REPRESSED!"

bloody civilian

Metal Man · 09-13-2009, 01:19 AM

Use too many abstract terms at once and they will trap you within a cage of meaninglessness.

**Valigarmander** · 09-13-2009, 01:21 AM

Now step forward into the Garden of Madness.

**Loot** · 09-13-2009, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by MANLY RIPPLING MUSCLES

bloody civilian

CRIMINAL SCUM

09-12-2009, 12:56 AM	#1
*Cosmonautical* Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I rub my tilde all over your asterisk Gender: Posts: 28,100 Thanks: 2,151 Thanked 5,338 Times in 2,433 Posts	Attention Anarchists If you are angry about the current system, it is not because it is not an anarchist system. You are under-thinking the complications of anarchism: We are in fact anarchists, comprising larger anarchist bodies. The many will subjugate the few, it is human nature. I am sorry to be the bringer of bad news, but the government is just as hXc as you are. They are a big nasty anarchist collective that won't take no **** from no other anarchist collectives. If you are feeling particularily repressed, tough tits. That's what happens when you interact with other people. You win some, you lose some, and you particularly lose when what you're fighting is the collective will of 300 million other self-centered jerks who happen to have decided they agree with one another. Now, people might think this is a shot at liberalism, if they don't know me well. It's actually a shot at human perspectives. People absorb terms and attach context and meaning to them that is a hindrance to their understanding. Language is imperfect, we need to rethink and constantly evaluate our use of it. Abstract concepts are not concrete. As a sadly unhappy man, George Carlin, once observed: You have no rights. If these things can be taken from you, if they can be subverted, they are sadly just a very pretty concept that is meant to make us feel secure in a world of uncertainty.

09-12-2009, 01:04 AM	#2
Valigarmander The Bee's Knees Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The land of rain and trees (Oregon) Gender: Posts: 29,755 Thanks: 1,649 Thanked 5,700 Times in 2,580 Posts Blog Entries: 20	> anarchists as an organized group Does not compute.

09-12-2009, 01:19 AM	#3
Robotazy PRESS ANY KEY TO PANIC! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: A Tiny Shed Gender: Posts: 16,483 Thanks: 529 Thanked 1,254 Times in 897 Posts Blog Entries: 46	That does explain how I get ambushed by Anarchist Warriors evertime I try to lockpick into Congress.

09-12-2009, 01:46 AM	#6
Robotazy PRESS ANY KEY TO PANIC! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: A Tiny Shed Gender: Posts: 16,483 Thanks: 529 Thanked 1,254 Times in 897 Posts Blog Entries: 46	Anything can be petty and abstract if you want it to. Right down to sex, living beings, and even life itself. A mind can be told to look at something in a certain angle, and if certain logic is applied, they will believe this angle is correct. The truth is most ideals hold true because so many people believe in them.

09-12-2009, 04:01 AM	#7
Kil'jaeden Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: in your mind Gender: Posts: 2,132 Thanks: 21 Thanked 146 Times in 99 Posts	The world is a battle royale of wills? What's new?

09-12-2009, 11:36 PM	#9
Sim Kid Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The state of Denial Gender: Posts: 8,884 Thanks: 80 Thanked 198 Times in 122 Posts	"I threatened the president and now the secret service is arresting me! THERE'S VIOLENCE INHERENT IN THE SYSTEM!!! HELP HELP I'M BEING REPRESSED!"

09-13-2009, 01:19 AM	#11
Metal Man Fairy-Slaying Maniac Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: 1592 Miles Away From Here Gender: Posts: 18,062 Thanks: 148 Thanked 683 Times in 482 Posts	Use too many abstract terms at once and they will trap you within a cage of meaninglessness.

09-13-2009, 01:21 AM	#12
Valigarmander The Bee's Knees Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The land of rain and trees (Oregon) Gender: Posts: 29,755 Thanks: 1,649 Thanked 5,700 Times in 2,580 Posts Blog Entries: 20	Now step forward into the Garden of Madness.