Former Pres. Carter: Rep. Wilson comments 'based on racism'

**Valigarmander** · 09-15-2009, 09:23 PM

Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism' - Yahoo! News

This discussion is about to hit a whole new level of stupid.

Sim Kid · 09-15-2009, 10:43 PM

is all I can say

***Cosmonautical*** · 09-16-2009, 01:37 AM

Eh, there's easily a subconcious level of racism active in the minds of anyone who would connect appearance with behavior.

ZeldaGirl · 09-16-2009, 01:45 AM

I'd definitely say that race, though unconsciously, is playing some sort of factor in the hostility towards Obama. Perhaps it's just that my awareness of politics has grown, but NEVER has it been so bad, this anger directed towards a president and the party line divided in such a way. I don't think it's off-base to think that race is playing some sort of factor, especially when you have people who still believe he wasn't even born in this country or that he's a Muslim.

**Crazyswordsman** · 09-16-2009, 03:18 AM

I don't think Joe Wilson is a racist, but I know a lot of his compatriots are:

Click to view video.

-CSM

Robotazy · 09-16-2009, 12:08 PM

OMG HE IS BLACK HE HAS ULTERIOR COMMUNIST MOTIVES.

Vote: Obama

Lurch1982 · 09-16-2009, 02:34 PM

If it looks like a racist (one of seven members in the SC assembly to vote to keep the Confederate flag) and talks like a racist (calling Strom Thurmond's illegitimate black daughter's claim to her paternity a "smear" and "unseemly," which given the circumstances are pure southern codewords)......

**Crazyswordsman** · 09-16-2009, 06:03 PM

Oh yeah, I forgot, he does associate with neoconfederate groups. -CSM

Sim Kid · 09-16-2009, 06:16 PM

I thought this whole confederate flag issue was "We've been doing it for years, it's a tradition! We don't HAVE to make it associated with racism" though. Or at least some of it.

**Crazyswordsman** · 09-16-2009, 06:19 PM

^Except people still do that. -CSM

Vgfian · 09-16-2009, 07:21 PM

I can say that I seriously doubt it was fueled by racism.
You could be blind and see that.

Many Republicans are concerned, and frustrated on this matter.
I think that this frustration is why he had the outburst.
The claim that the outburst was fueled by racism seems absurd to me.

I tend to agree with Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele, in the fact that it seems like they're going in to this, in order to hide something.
That's just what it seems like to me.

Do I think that he was correct in the way he showed his disapproval? No.
Do I think he owes another apology? No.

^^That's what most of it is, but not all of it.

Lurch1982 · 09-16-2009, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Sim Kid

I thought this whole confederate flag issue was "We've been doing it for years, it's a tradition! We don't HAVE to make it associated with racism" though. Or at least some of it.

Not when the state placed it on top of the capitol in 1962. That's just as blatant as a burning cross.

**Crazyswordsman** · 09-16-2009, 08:46 PM

^Don't forget Georgia put it on their state flag in the 50s. -CSM

Sim Kid · 09-16-2009, 09:25 PM

I still wonder why no one also seems to get that Wilson wasn't acting shocked because he dared say something negative about obama...it's because he flat-out interrupted him and insulted him.

But considering a politician is calling ANOTHER politician a liar...pot calling the kettle black, much?

**Crazyswordsman** · 09-16-2009, 09:36 PM

Most of the Republicans were on their blackberries chatting during Obama's speech anyway. They are not interested in reforming health care at all. -CSM

Eagle Eye · 09-16-2009, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeldaGirl

I'd definitely say that race, though unconsciously, is playing some sort of factor in the hostility towards Obama. Perhaps it's just that my awareness of politics has grown, but NEVER has it been so bad, this anger directed towards a president and the party line divided in such a way. I don't think it's off-base to think that race is playing some sort of factor, especially when you have people who still believe he wasn't even born in this country or that he's a Muslim.

This is an issue that can't really be summed up in a post, but I'll try it:

Racism is a feeling/idea/belief of superiority that is ultimately based off fear. If you fear something you don't know and you have the power to push it away, you will do whatever is necessary to keep that down. Now racism is no longer a prevalent thought, thankfully, but you still have people that are used to seeing a certain system (predominately white, or a white man in control, not to say they only want a white person in control, but to say that it has been the norm). Now you have a change (pun not intended) in your norm, now a man that is not of typical presidential stature is in charge. He is on the other side of your party line, so not only do you disagree with his policies, your way of thinking is confused because the standard has changed, so not only do you disagree with his policies, you disagree with HIM for interrupting and changing the standard.

I tried to make sense.

It's indirect racism, which we all do at times.

Sim Kid · 09-17-2009, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Crazyswordsman

Most of the Republicans were on their blackberries chatting during Obama's speech anyway. They are not interested in reforming health care at all. -CSM

Eh some actually DO care.

But then again I don't have much credibility since I think people vying for congress should be forced to live 5-10 years on middle-class income working blue-collar jobs that can be shipped to India or Mexico at the drop of a hat with no access to their existing funds or insurance. :tongue:

***Cosmonautical*** · 09-17-2009, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Sim Kid

I thought this whole confederate flag issue was "We've been doing it for years, it's a tradition! We don't HAVE to make it associated with racism" though. Or at least some of it.

What a bunch of bull. Try flying the swastika in Germany, and saying that. What, that's different? They didn't force them into labor? Oh, they killed some of them. So no slaves ever died in slavery. I see your logic here.

Sim Kid · 09-17-2009, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MANLY RIPPLING MUSCLES

What a bunch of bull. Try flying the swastika in Germany, and saying that. What, that's different? They didn't force them into labor? Oh, they killed some of them. So no slaves ever died in slavery. I see your logic here.

Someone did that when my grandfather & My mom's family lived out there actually.

it was an Asian dude and it was a Manji. Obviously they had none of that. (Especially since it was the 60s.)

Bomby · 09-17-2009, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazyswordsman

Most of the Republicans were on their blackberries chatting during Obama's speech anyway. They are not interested in reforming health care at all. -CSM

This is what happens when you have an undying love for an such an absurdly shortsighted economic system like free market capitalism.

09-15-2009, 09:23 PM	#1
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*Cosmonautical* Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I rub my tilde all over your asterisk Gender: Posts: 28,100 Thanks: 2,151 Thanked 5,338 Times in 2,433 Posts	Eh, there's easily a subconcious level of racism active in the minds of anyone who would connect appearance with behavior.

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ZeldaGirl Awesome member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Why do YOU want to know...? Gender: Posts: 15,896 Thanks: 1,130 Thanked 1,919 Times in 1,046 Posts	I'd definitely say that race, though unconsciously, is playing some sort of factor in the hostility towards Obama. Perhaps it's just that my awareness of politics has grown, but NEVER has it been so bad, this anger directed towards a president and the party line divided in such a way. I don't think it's off-base to think that race is playing some sort of factor, especially when you have people who still believe he wasn't even born in this country or that he's a Muslim.

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Lurch1982 Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: DenCo Gender: Posts: 9,850 Thanks: 127 Thanked 365 Times in 192 Posts	If it looks like a racist (one of seven members in the SC assembly to vote to keep the Confederate flag) and talks like a racist (calling Strom Thurmond's illegitimate black daughter's claim to her paternity a "smear" and "unseemly," which given the circumstances are pure southern codewords)......

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Crazyswordsman This key doesn't work. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 10,791 Thanks: 1,019 Thanked 686 Times in 467 Posts	Oh yeah, I forgot, he does associate with neoconfederate groups. -CSM

09-16-2009, 06:16 PM	#9
Sim Kid Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The state of Denial Gender: Posts: 8,884 Thanks: 80 Thanked 198 Times in 122 Posts	I thought this whole confederate flag issue was "We've been doing it for years, it's a tradition! We don't HAVE to make it associated with racism" though. Or at least some of it.

09-16-2009, 06:19 PM	#10
Crazyswordsman This key doesn't work. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 10,791 Thanks: 1,019 Thanked 686 Times in 467 Posts	^Except people still do that. -CSM

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Vgfian Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Listening to Seeking 7 Seven and giving out free hugs. :) Gender: Posts: 6,862 Thanks: 2,433 Thanked 398 Times in 311 Posts	I can say that I seriously doubt it was fueled by racism. You could be blind and see that. Many Republicans are concerned, and frustrated on this matter. I think that this frustration is why he had the outburst. The claim that the outburst was fueled by racism seems absurd to me. I tend to agree with Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele, in the fact that it seems like they're going in to this, in order to hide something. That's just what it seems like to me. Do I think that he was correct in the way he showed his disapproval? No. Do I think he owes another apology? No. ^^That's what most of it is, but not all of it.

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Crazyswordsman This key doesn't work. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 10,791 Thanks: 1,019 Thanked 686 Times in 467 Posts	^Don't forget Georgia put it on their state flag in the 50s. -CSM

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Sim Kid Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The state of Denial Gender: Posts: 8,884 Thanks: 80 Thanked 198 Times in 122 Posts	I still wonder why no one also seems to get that Wilson wasn't acting shocked because he dared say something negative about obama...it's because he flat-out interrupted him and insulted him. But considering a politician is calling ANOTHER politician a liar...pot calling the kettle black, much?

09-16-2009, 09:36 PM	#15
Crazyswordsman This key doesn't work. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 10,791 Thanks: 1,019 Thanked 686 Times in 467 Posts	Most of the Republicans were on their blackberries chatting during Obama's speech anyway. They are not interested in reforming health care at all. -CSM