Now gay marriage fails in MY state.

**Crazyswordsman** · 01-07-2010, 05:44 PM

They just banned gay marriage in NJ. I'm good friends with one of the folks who voted "no," as well as a gay couple.

N.J. Senate rejects bill legalizing gay marriage | New Jersey Real-Time News - - NJ.com

Everyone who voted down this bill has to prove to me that they are a staunch opponent of what's happening in Uganda right now:

Americans’ Role Seen in Uganda Anti-Gay Push - NYTimes.com

Quote:

Human rights advocates in Uganda say the visit by the three Americans helped set in motion what could be a very dangerous cycle. Gay Ugandans already describe a world of beatings, blackmail, death threats like “Die Sodomite!” scrawled on their homes, constant harassment and even so-called correctional rape.

“Now we really have to go undercover,” said Stosh Mugisha, a gay rights activist who said she was pinned down in a guava orchard and raped by a farmhand who wanted to cure her of her attraction to girls. She said that she was impregnated and infected with H.I.V., but that her grandmother’s reaction was simply, “ ‘You are too stubborn.’ ”

Many of those who oppose gay marriage are being eerily silent on this...sometimes I wonder is it that they just want to "defend the definition of marriage" or is it something more than that? -CSM

Metal Mario · 01-07-2010, 06:06 PM

I could give you another good example of eerie silence coming from a particular group when it comes to a particular brand of atrocity, but if I did, then everyone here would jump down my throat. So I'm just going to leave it at that, since I'm sure you can work out who I'm talking about for yourself.

**Crazyswordsman** · 01-07-2010, 06:39 PM

^If it's about countries that persecute Christians, that is extremely wrong as well. -CSM

PK FIRE! · 01-07-2010, 06:42 PM

"Everyone who voted down this bill has to prove to me that they are a staunch opponent of what's happening in Uganda right now:" Because you can't oppose gay marriage MUST support beating/blackmailing/raping/killing gay people.

Nice logic there CSM

- You stupid dog.

CuccoLady · 01-07-2010, 06:51 PM

So apparently CA is gonna stream the upcoming trial against Prop 8 (banning gay marriage here) on youtube.

That'll be interesting.

But dear god am I ever crossing my fingers. It's just not right to take away people's rights like that.

I'm sorry to hear that crap happened in your state as well. :{/

Robotazy · 01-07-2010, 07:05 PM

I live in the south.

**Crazyswordsman** · 01-07-2010, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PK FIRE!

"Everyone who voted down this bill has to prove to me that they are a staunch opponent of what's happening in Uganda right now:" Because you can't oppose gay marriage MUST support beating/blackmailing/raping/killing gay people.

Nice logic there CSM

- You stupid dog.

I'm not saying it is. I'm saying that it's a step in that direction. And a lot of prominent people (Rick Warren, Mark Sanford, Jim DeMint, James Inhofe, Tom Coburn just to name a few) are involved with an organization called "The Family" which does a lot of ministering in Uganda, including anti-gay ministering and abstinence-only ministering. And the Roman Catholic Church has been silent. -CSM

PK FIRE! · 01-07-2010, 07:11 PM

Fair enough, I don't know why but the part of your post that I quoted just bugged me. as for the Roman Catholic Church, I recall the only recently (as in the last 10 to 15 years) making amends for something they did/condoned back in the 1200's so I think it could take a while before they get to this.

- You stupid dog.

**Crazyswordsman** · 01-07-2010, 07:30 PM

^They're not the ones committing this atrocity. But as one of the world's leading human rights champions they ought to condemn it. -CSM

Stanley the Bugman · 01-21-2010, 06:48 AM

Yeah, I'm from Jersey too and I saw this in the paper. I was pretty upset about it as I have a few gay friends, and I really just hate the idea of not letting people have their rights. I will say though, on the cover of the newspaper it was on, they did have this photo to accompany it:

Lol, that lady sure was happy about it. I'm surprised she didn't get the tar beaten out of her with all those supporters around her. Apparently when word was given that they voted against the bill, she shouted "Hallelujah".

Panfan · 01-21-2010, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CuccoLady

So apparently CA is gonna stream the upcoming trial against Prop 8 (banning gay marriage here) on youtube.

That'll be interesting.

But dear god am I ever crossing my fingers. It's just not right to take away people's rights like that.

I'm sorry to hear that crap happened in your state as well. :{/

that trial's gonna be so weird, with Bush's lawyer from Bush v. Gore supporting the two gay couples.

**Crazyswordsman** · 01-21-2010, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stanley the Bugman

Yeah, I'm from Jersey too and I saw this in the paper. I was pretty upset about it as I have a few gay friends, and I really just hate the idea of not letting people have their rights. I will say though, on the cover of the newspaper it was on, they did have this photo to accompany it:

Lol, that lady sure was happy about it. I'm surprised she didn't get the tar beaten out of her with all those supporters around her. Apparently when word was given that they voted against the bill, she shouted "Hallelujah".

If I were gay and there I would've at least asked her if she thinks I should have the same First Amendment rights she should. -CSM

Jere · 01-21-2010, 06:45 PM

People have the right to do what they want, they have the right to think what they want although in this case there are people that don't wan't people to like anybody they want.

First thing i want to say is that, laws is for Idiots, we have the forbidden to enter high voltage sighns that tells us that it's stupid to go in there you can become Kilowatt Fried **** or KFC for short.

They say to us that we should not go faster than the speedsighns its dangerus and so on.

What i can't follow here is what is the stupidity in liking someone, i can understand that we might not get to many babies from it (Vital part in the human lifecycle) but then again i don't think we are in grave danger of being decimated because of that and the times when you feel like doing more than have silly Lightsabrebattles in the bed.

This law is unecesary that's my oppinion!

***Cosmonautical*** · 01-21-2010, 11:03 PM

You know, religions get a bad rap because a lot of them are full of crazies. But people are just all around crazy most of the time, anyway. Humans depress me.

Rainbow Dash · 01-21-2010, 11:31 PM

I don't really see why marriage is required for a couple to be happy. Is it mostly because they want all the same benefits as straight couples who get married, or what?

heh · 01-22-2010, 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chunky Kong12345

I don't really see why marriage is required for a couple to be happy. Is it mostly because they want all the same benefits as straight couples who get married, or what?

its not required or even a state that exists in a concrete form except for a few legal tax things, but banning it for gay couples is a clear message that says "no, your not aloud to have to this ceremony that celebrates love because we think your love is filthy/wrong/whatever". even if marriage is something with no real concrete basis its still one less right for gay people.

not to mention that once you take one right away you can take then next right away more easily.

***Cosmonautical*** · 01-22-2010, 05:16 AM

Yeah, if anyone were pushing for true equality, we would abolish the whole tax benefits situation with marriage. People save money just by being together most of the time, no reason to tax singles more for the **** of it.

One of the most important reasons for gay marriage, though, are things like rights in case of emergency. If something were to happen to me, and I had a gay partner, that partner would not be able to see me while I was in critical condition. As a married spouse, or family member, you have that benefit.

ZeldaGirl · 01-22-2010, 09:23 AM

1138.

That's the number of rights denied to gay couples.

One thousand, one hundred and thirty eight.

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**Crazyswordsman** · 01-22-2010, 10:10 AM

^My reasoning makes it 1139 (it being an issue of First Amendment rights for couples to consider their relationship what they want it to). -CSM

t3hDarkness · 01-22-2010, 11:13 PM

Why do people fight against change so damn much?

01-07-2010, 06:06 PM	#2
Metal Mario Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 1999 Gender: Posts: 16,435 Thanks: 72 Thanked 190 Times in 127 Posts	I could give you another good example of eerie silence coming from a particular group when it comes to a particular brand of atrocity, but if I did, then everyone here would jump down my throat. So I'm just going to leave it at that, since I'm sure you can work out who I'm talking about for yourself.

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Crazyswordsman This key doesn't work. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 10,791 Thanks: 1,019 Thanked 686 Times in 467 Posts	^If it's about countries that persecute Christians, that is extremely wrong as well. -CSM

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PK FIRE! Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: On the run. Gender: Posts: 9,544 Thanks: 175 Thanked 150 Times in 120 Posts	"Everyone who voted down this bill has to prove to me that they are a staunch opponent of what's happening in Uganda right now:" Because you can't oppose gay marriage MUST support beating/blackmailing/raping/killing gay people. Nice logic there CSM - You stupid dog.

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CuccoLady Anime and Cartoons Mod Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: THIS LOCATION REMINDS ME OF A PUZZLE, LUKE Gender: Posts: 9,077 Thanks: 2,825 Thanked 1,222 Times in 822 Posts	So apparently CA is gonna stream the upcoming trial against Prop 8 (banning gay marriage here) on youtube. That'll be interesting. But dear god am I ever crossing my fingers. It's just not right to take away people's rights like that. I'm sorry to hear that crap happened in your state as well. :{/

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PK FIRE! Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: On the run. Gender: Posts: 9,544 Thanks: 175 Thanked 150 Times in 120 Posts	Fair enough, I don't know why but the part of your post that I quoted just bugged me. as for the Roman Catholic Church, I recall the only recently (as in the last 10 to 15 years) making amends for something they did/condoned back in the 1200's so I think it could take a while before they get to this. - You stupid dog.

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Crazyswordsman This key doesn't work. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 10,791 Thanks: 1,019 Thanked 686 Times in 467 Posts	^They're not the ones committing this atrocity. But as one of the world's leading human rights champions they ought to condemn it. -CSM

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Stanley the Bugman Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: A Greenhouse Gender: Posts: 1,656 Thanks: 19 Thanked 14 Times in 13 Posts	Yeah, I'm from Jersey too and I saw this in the paper. I was pretty upset about it as I have a few gay friends, and I really just hate the idea of not letting people have their rights. I will say though, on the cover of the newspaper it was on, they did have this photo to accompany it: Lol, that lady sure was happy about it. I'm surprised she didn't get the tar beaten out of her with all those supporters around her. Apparently when word was given that they voted against the bill, she shouted "Hallelujah".

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Jere Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sutme Gender: Posts: 3,648 Thanks: 404 Thanked 331 Times in 256 Posts Blog Entries: 3	People have the right to do what they want, they have the right to think what they want although in this case there are people that don't wan't people to like anybody they want. First thing i want to say is that, laws is for Idiots, we have the forbidden to enter high voltage sighns that tells us that it's stupid to go in there you can become Kilowatt Fried **** or KFC for short. They say to us that we should not go faster than the speedsighns its dangerus and so on. What i can't follow here is what is the stupidity in liking someone, i can understand that we might not get to many babies from it (Vital part in the human lifecycle) but then again i don't think we are in grave danger of being decimated because of that and the times when you feel like doing more than have silly Lightsabrebattles in the bed. This law is unecesary that's my oppinion!

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*Cosmonautical* Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I rub my tilde all over your asterisk Gender: Posts: 28,100 Thanks: 2,151 Thanked 5,338 Times in 2,433 Posts	You know, religions get a bad rap because a lot of them are full of crazies. But people are just all around crazy most of the time, anyway. Humans depress me.

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*Cosmonautical* Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I rub my tilde all over your asterisk Gender: Posts: 28,100 Thanks: 2,151 Thanked 5,338 Times in 2,433 Posts	Yeah, if anyone were pushing for true equality, we would abolish the whole tax benefits situation with marriage. People save money just by being together most of the time, no reason to tax singles more for the **** of it. One of the most important reasons for gay marriage, though, are things like rights in case of emergency. If something were to happen to me, and I had a gay partner, that partner would not be able to see me while I was in critical condition. As a married spouse, or family member, you have that benefit.

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ZeldaGirl Awesome member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Why do YOU want to know...? Gender: Posts: 15,896 Thanks: 1,130 Thanked 1,919 Times in 1,046 Posts	1138. That's the number of rights denied to gay couples. One thousand, one hundred and thirty eight. Learn the 1138 Reasons Equality Matters \| Join the first VIRTUAL March for Equality

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