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Zharen · 02-21-2010, 09:19 PM

Link: Developer: Ground Zero a National Disgrace - 60 Minutes - CBS News

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Developer: Ground Zero a National Disgrace
60 Minutes: Eight Years and Billions of Dollars Later, Part of 9/11 Site is Still Just a Big Hole

[EXCERPT] (CBS) This was the year that Ground Zero was supposed to be transformed into a soaring statement of American spirit. The site of the 9/11 attack on New York was to be a world landmark, bigger than the World Trade Center before it.

Plans were announced for America's tallest tower, its most beautiful rail station and among its most solemn monuments.

So we wondered: why is Ground Zero still a hole in the ground? "60 Minutes" and correspondent Scott Pelley returned to lower Manhattan recently and found that, eight and a half years later, much of Ground Zero is still marking time.

Each year, on September 11, the emotions return. The sorrow, for the 2,752 people murdered there. The sense of 300 million Americans united in one place, and the desire to fight back by filling the void in the heart of New York.

But today, much of Ground Zero is still a pit where there are supposed to be five skyscrapers, a memorial, a museum, a theater and transit hub.

Wow, almost 9 years later and this country can't even build a freakin' memorial properly. America, Land of the Fools.

Glux · 02-21-2010, 09:33 PM

^ Because all our money is going to Japan for video games, cars, etc. and the other billions are going to Haiti.

Zharen · 02-21-2010, 09:43 PM

Yeah, I guess smart phones and ps3's are more important than lame stone memorials with names of dead people on them.

Robotazy · 02-21-2010, 10:17 PM

How is that desert, ~~Australia~~ California?

Metal Mario · 02-21-2010, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Zharen

Yeah, I guess smart phones and ps3's are more important than lame stone memorials with names of dead people on them.

I think you'll find that the people buying phones and gaming consoles are not, in fact, the same people responsible for building the memorial. I think you'll also find that the money consumers are using to buy their phones and gaming consoles is not, in fact, being borrowed from the 9/11 memorial fund.

**Deku Trii** · 02-21-2010, 10:29 PM

Because when you remember 9/11, you're supposed to be reminded that there are terrorists that want to get you, not that America can overcome adversity.

Nah, I'm just being glib.

Zharen · 02-21-2010, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Metal Mario

I think you'll find that the people buying phones and gaming consoles are not, in fact, the same people responsible for building the memorial. I think you'll also find that the money consumers are using to buy their phones and gaming consoles is not, in fact, being borrowed from the 9/11 memorial fund.

Is your sarcasm detector broken or what? Cuz yeah dude, I totally blame gamers for this.

In all seriousness though, I'm surprised the citizens of NYC haven't responded in outrage for the squandering of several billion dollars just to keep a hole in a ground...a hole in the ground. Say what you want about memorials encouraging terrorists to strike more often, but anything would be better than some muddy hole in the middle of Manhattan. The families of the 9/11 victims deserve far better than this.

Dylan · 02-22-2010, 12:31 AM

Well lookee here.

It's 1 World Trade Center, currently under construction. You know, this whole project has probably taken so long because of that whole global economy going straight to hell, but hey, I'm not some fancy money doctor.

Zharen · 02-22-2010, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Dylan

Well lookee here.

It's 1 World Trade Center, currently under construction. You know, this whole project has probably taken so long because of that whole global economy going straight to hell, but hey, I'm not some fancy money doctor.

I knew someone would use the Great Recession as an excuse. But considering that the recession didn't start til about late 2007, it's a pretty poor one. So for 6 years of decent economic times, all NYC could muster is a pitiful 200 foot construction post? Going with the current rate, we should probably see the new WTC done in about...oh...2020. Truly a testament to New Yorker ingenuity and brilliance.

**LASER BEAR ASSAULT UNIT** · 02-22-2010, 01:52 AM

Considering the absoultly moronic amount of money went into warring in the middle east, this rate of construction doesn't surprise me.

***Ace Mercury*** · 02-22-2010, 08:10 AM

America puts more money into antagonistic goals.

Build a memorial to cheer ourselves up? We'll get around to it.

Start a war, and then another war? Get in the Escalade.

***Cosmonautical*** · 02-22-2010, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Zharen

I knew someone would use the Great Recession as an excuse. But considering that the recession didn't start til about late 2007, it's a pretty poor one. So for 6 years of decent economic times, all NYC could muster is a pitiful 200 foot construction post? Going with the current rate, we should probably see the new WTC done in about...oh...2020. Truly a testament to New Yorker ingenuity and brilliance.

The economy's been going to **** in much of the country for years. You can thank the congressional republican majority for their deregulation policies in the mid-90's for most of our industry going overseas. That type of thing takes a while to catch up, but here we are and why the hell is anybody surprised? Your generation, I can understand not getting the scope of it - you guys were just little kids. My generation were the older ones, and most of us are still ignorant in the ways of economy. The older generations, well, they're they dip****s responsible for it. Apparently, we're all communists for wanting to have something like a steel industry in this country, anymore.

The fiscally ignorant let social issues like abortion blind them to economic politics. If issues like that were actually going anywhere, they would've in the past 30 years, but many conservatives use it as a platform to gain office. Noble cause, but nothing Congress is going to make decisions over; that crap is in the hands of the Courts. In the meantime, it will still be a rallying aid; vote for this family-oriented fellow over those heartless baby-killer progressives.

Lurch1982 · 02-22-2010, 10:07 PM

Zharen's pretty much dead on for this. New Orleans gets **** like a year after a storm wiped it out for not being normal and still needing help, but they've had a hole in the ground for almost a decade with no mainstream criticism.

***Cosmonautical*** · 02-24-2010, 07:44 AM

^Half-right, poor reasoning. WTC isn't residential, end of story. Failure on the part of media critics, but it's all just attention-grabbing BS tailored to sell advertising space. War in Afganistan, War in Iraq, Tsunami, Hurricanes, Earthquake, etc always make better news coverage. New Orleans was already a hotseat for being completely mismanaged before the whole bloody thing even happened, and compounds the issues of mismanagement established by security and war failures prior to it.

The public reaction to the 11/09/2001 attacks was strength through unity. It was the first failure pinned to the executive branch, excuses were made, it was generally acknowledged that plans were made for the future. Fastforward past no Osama, fictional WMD's, fuel crisis, haves & havenots/collapse of economy, Orleans fiasco - the stage is set for criticism of executive response to the most recent mismanagements at home.

If you're convinced we can undermine hypocrisy in media sources, that's just naivety. The wheels have been turning for decades.

Lurch1982 · 02-24-2010, 10:12 AM

Commercial is much easier to develop than Residential, especially when you're in some of the best commercial real estate areas in the world.

**Crazyswordsman** · 02-25-2010, 06:19 AM

Well if the Port Authority actually was funding this completely it would probably be a lot farther along. The problem is like a month before the attacks they sold off the WTC to a private developer. -CSM

***Cosmonautical*** · 02-25-2010, 11:27 AM

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Commercial is much easier to develop than Residential, especially when you're in some of the best commercial real estate areas in the world.

Right, but it's also not nearly so necessary as housing. Orleans has been on the map for concern, because its residents need homes and the homes need infrastructure and commodities.

Any excuses made for the lack of activity are bs, I agree, but there's just no pressing need for a new WTC.

Lurch1982 · 02-25-2010, 02:39 PM

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Right, but it's also not nearly so necessary as housing. Orleans has been on the map for concern, because its residents need homes and the homes need infrastructure and commodities.

Any excuses made for the lack of activity are bs, I agree, but there's just no pressing need for a new WTC.

Agree, a better use of the land would be to build a giant parking garage owned by the city. Goodbye budget shortfalls.

***Cosmonautical*** · 02-26-2010, 07:52 AM

^ Truth.

Random User · 02-26-2010, 06:09 PM

There are definatly no excuses as to why this isn't WAY farther into construction. Very agitated at this.

02-21-2010, 10:17 PM	#4
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Glux Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Home Gender: Posts: 7,122 Thanks: 647 Thanked 360 Times in 236 Posts Blog Entries: 3	^ Because all our money is going to Japan for video games, cars, etc. and the other billions are going to Haiti.

02-21-2010, 09:43 PM	#3
Zharen Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Modesto, CA U.S. Gender: Posts: 7,085 Thanks: 21 Thanked 71 Times in 35 Posts	Yeah, I guess smart phones and ps3's are more important than lame stone memorials with names of dead people on them.

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Deku Trii PP&R Mod Current Events Mod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Texas Gender: Posts: 9,031 Thanks: 521 Thanked 1,099 Times in 583 Posts	Because when you remember 9/11, you're supposed to be reminded that there are terrorists that want to get you, not that America can overcome adversity. Nah, I'm just being glib.

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Dylan Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Teenage Wasteland Gender: Posts: 7,790 Thanks: 1,632 Thanked 1,816 Times in 773 Posts	Well lookee here. It's 1 World Trade Center, currently under construction. You know, this whole project has probably taken so long because of that whole global economy going straight to hell, but hey, I'm not some fancy money doctor.

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LASER BEAR ASSAULT UNIT Videos Mod Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: In my pants Gender: Posts: 4,613 Thanks: 2,502 Thanked 767 Times in 422 Posts	Considering the absoultly moronic amount of money went into warring in the middle east, this rate of construction doesn't surprise me.

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*Ace Mercury* Marshmallow Knight ☆ Supermod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Southern Ontario Gender: Posts: 23,275 Thanks: 568 Thanked 3,297 Times in 1,582 Posts Blog Entries: 1	America puts more money into antagonistic goals. Build a memorial to cheer ourselves up? We'll get around to it. Start a war, and then another war? Get in the Escalade.

02-22-2010, 10:07 PM	#13
Lurch1982 Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: DenCo Gender: Posts: 9,850 Thanks: 127 Thanked 365 Times in 192 Posts	Zharen's pretty much dead on for this. New Orleans gets **** like a year after a storm wiped it out for not being normal and still needing help, but they've had a hole in the ground for almost a decade with no mainstream criticism.

02-24-2010, 07:44 AM	#14
*Cosmonautical* Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I rub my tilde all over your asterisk Gender: Posts: 28,100 Thanks: 2,151 Thanked 5,338 Times in 2,433 Posts	^Half-right, poor reasoning. WTC isn't residential, end of story. Failure on the part of media critics, but it's all just attention-grabbing BS tailored to sell advertising space. War in Afganistan, War in Iraq, Tsunami, Hurricanes, Earthquake, etc always make better news coverage. New Orleans was already a hotseat for being completely mismanaged before the whole bloody thing even happened, and compounds the issues of mismanagement established by security and war failures prior to it. The public reaction to the 11/09/2001 attacks was strength through unity. It was the first failure pinned to the executive branch, excuses were made, it was generally acknowledged that plans were made for the future. Fastforward past no Osama, fictional WMD's, fuel crisis, haves & havenots/collapse of economy, Orleans fiasco - the stage is set for criticism of executive response to the most recent mismanagements at home. If you're convinced we can undermine hypocrisy in media sources, that's just naivety. The wheels have been turning for decades.

02-24-2010, 10:12 AM	#15
Lurch1982 Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: DenCo Gender: Posts: 9,850 Thanks: 127 Thanked 365 Times in 192 Posts	Commercial is much easier to develop than Residential, especially when you're in some of the best commercial real estate areas in the world.

02-25-2010, 06:19 AM	#16
Crazyswordsman This key doesn't work. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 10,791 Thanks: 1,019 Thanked 686 Times in 467 Posts	Well if the Port Authority actually was funding this completely it would probably be a lot farther along. The problem is like a month before the attacks they sold off the WTC to a private developer. -CSM

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*Cosmonautical* Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I rub my tilde all over your asterisk Gender: Posts: 28,100 Thanks: 2,151 Thanked 5,338 Times in 2,433 Posts	^ Truth.

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Random User Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Equestrian Republic of Spanglidesh Gender: Posts: 3,562 Thanks: 321 Thanked 195 Times in 143 Posts Blog Entries: 4	There are definatly no excuses as to why this isn't WAY farther into construction. Very agitated at this.