Proposition 19

**Deku Trii** · 10-12-2010, 10:43 PM

California Proposition 19, the Marijuana Legalization Initiative (2010) - Ballotpedia

In case you hadn't heard, there's a good chance marijuana may be legal at the state level in California as soon as November 3rd. If it doesn't pass, of course, possession of less than an ounce is already set to be decriminalized effective January 1st.

I've got to say, I'm pretty interested in seeing what the impacts of a legal marijuana economy in the US would be.

Bomby · 10-12-2010, 11:28 PM

It's about time.

John Galt · 10-13-2010, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bomby von Bombsville

It's about time.

I agree.

Zaden · 10-13-2010, 06:16 PM

What's it do?

I mean, besides make you see funny stuff if you smoke it.

Dizzy · 10-13-2010, 06:26 PM

We'll tell you when you're older and have glaucoma.

Metal Man · 10-13-2010, 06:40 PM

Voted for it. Here's hoping it passes.

Sim Kid · 10-15-2010, 01:09 AM

Colorado has a similar constitutional amendment on the ballot.

Amidst the garbed fundamentalist ****, like the "cut down everything to fund schools" (extreme) or "Illegalize abortion - by making it illegal to have a miscarriage!" (something even Anti-abortionist Republicans think. "FFFF - DON'T VOTE FOR THAT!!!" on)

***Cosmonautical*** · 10-15-2010, 01:39 AM

I saw this from the main index and thought it said "Prostitution 19"

Bomby · 10-15-2010, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Zaidon

What's it do?

Increases your heart rate and lowers your blood pressure temporarily. Long term abuse may inhibit the brain's dopamine receptors. Can make you lazy and unmotivated while in usage. May cause red eye. Munchies. And it smells really bad.

Vgfian · 10-15-2010, 04:00 AM

I'm cool with legalization and taxation. Just so long as it is illegal to drive while under its influence. And possibly a legal limit (in the same way as alcohol). Otherwise I'm thinking it will help the economy out in several ways.
One it will be taxed therefore leading to more moneyz. Two, less people will be in prison for it and will be potential buyers for the entire market, not just weed. Three, It will be selling, so chances are the people selling will be making money and then spending it.

Also, it will kill off a big part of illegal selling, and will keep the prison population down.

**Valigarmander** · 10-15-2010, 08:04 AM

I'm interested in seeing how this plays out.

PK FIRE! · 10-15-2010, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkZero

We'll tell you when you're older and have glaucoma.

As someone who actualy HAS glaucoma I got to say I hate that excuess. While marijuana does couter act it to an extent really your better off with perscription eye drop like Timoptic.

As for legalization fine whatever I'me just tire of a glaucoma cope out line.

- You stupid dog.

Sim Kid · 10-15-2010, 12:45 PM

It's not like Marijuana is a one-use addiction that really screws up your brain like Methamphetamine, anyways.

Even the drug education we had didn't demonize it, they just told us what long-term use is the same way they did alcohol. (They said that one mug of beer won't kill you, and that one glass of wine has been proven to be healthy to adults, they just pointed out that it's the people who drink themselves silly or binge-drink for years that get it the worst.)

Metal Man · 10-15-2010, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Culmination of Horrible

I saw this from the main index and thought it said "Prostitution 19"

That's about how useful the proposition system is here, AI. It's a bunch of people prostituting out some idea. Sometimes it's good. Most of the time it's corporations trying to fool people.

Thankfully this proposition isn't evil.

***Cosmonautical*** · 10-16-2010, 01:42 AM

Yet. Wait until someone pork barrels it.

Metal Man · 10-16-2010, 01:47 AM

Well, propositions kind of make that hard. If the proposition doesn't have pork in it, pork can't be added afterwards.

However, it is fairly inevitable that the newly created legal marijuana market would result in a pro-marijuana lobby which would probably do corrupt and bad things. But I guess it is inescapable.

***CaptHayfever*** · 10-16-2010, 02:22 AM

There already is a pro-marijuana lobby that does corrupt & bad things. This will help the non-corrupt pro-marijuana lobbiers, though.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

heh · 10-16-2010, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Sim Kid

Colorado has a similar constitutional amendment on the ballot.

Amidst the garbed fundamentalist ****, like the "cut down everything to fund schools" (extreme) or "Illegalize abortion - by making it illegal to have a miscarriage!" (something even Anti-abortionist Republicans think. "FFFF - DON'T VOTE FOR THAT!!!" on)

this isn't really extreme since previously it was always "cut schools down to fund prisons"

Pyropunk · 10-24-2010, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Deku Trii

I've got to say, I'm pretty interested in seeing what the impacts of a legal marijuana economy in the US would be.

Goodbye Recession?

If taxed and sold properly I'm sure it will become a ridiculously huge moneymaker for the states... Just saying...

I completely agree that there would need to be some sort of limit on it and age just like alcohol or cigarettes. We should consider looking at what the Netherlands has set up over there and doing something like that.

Not sure but I think it would be a good thing in a lot of aspects. It would take away the "getting your hand caught in the cookie jar" theory.

Kargath · 10-25-2010, 04:30 AM

I think the taxation argument is silly.

You decriminalise marijuana and remove all penalties from dealing and posession. You no longer deal with massive collection of underground DEA evasion networks.
Instead ... you have a massive collection of underground tax evasion networks. With far less penalties for violating the law. All you did was hand legal safety to the dealers and users.

Fail.

10-12-2010, 10:43 PM	#1
Deku Trii PP&R Mod Current Events Mod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Texas Gender: Posts: 9,031 Thanks: 521 Thanked 1,099 Times in 583 Posts	Proposition 19 California Proposition 19, the Marijuana Legalization Initiative (2010) - Ballotpedia In case you hadn't heard, there's a good chance marijuana may be legal at the state level in California as soon as November 3rd. If it doesn't pass, of course, possession of less than an ounce is already set to be decriminalized effective January 1st. I've got to say, I'm pretty interested in seeing what the impacts of a legal marijuana economy in the US would be.

10-12-2010, 11:28 PM	#2
Bomby You just freaking blew Joe Biden's mind! Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: WHAT?house Gender: Posts: 19,491 Thanks: 513 Thanked 1,449 Times in 849 Posts Blog Entries: 5	It's about time.

10-13-2010, 06:16 PM	#4
Zaden Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: in the beak of a mighty condor Gender: Posts: 991 Thanks: 273 Thanked 88 Times in 51 Posts Blog Entries: 5	What's it do? I mean, besides make you see funny stuff if you smoke it.

10-13-2010, 06:26 PM	#5
Dizzy Podiaphobe Join Date: Oct 2007 Gender: Posts: 19,359 Thanks: 1,764 Thanked 1,161 Times in 804 Posts Blog Entries: 116	We'll tell you when you're older and have glaucoma.

10-13-2010, 06:40 PM	#6
Metal Man Fairy-Slaying Maniac Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: 1592 Miles Away From Here Gender: Posts: 18,062 Thanks: 148 Thanked 683 Times in 482 Posts	Voted for it. Here's hoping it passes.

10-15-2010, 01:09 AM	#7
Sim Kid Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The state of Denial Gender: Posts: 8,884 Thanks: 80 Thanked 198 Times in 122 Posts	Colorado has a similar constitutional amendment on the ballot. Amidst the garbed fundamentalist ****, like the "cut down everything to fund schools" (extreme) or "Illegalize abortion - by making it illegal to have a miscarriage!" (something even Anti-abortionist Republicans think. "FFFF - DON'T VOTE FOR THAT!!!" on)

10-15-2010, 01:39 AM	#8
*Cosmonautical* Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I rub my tilde all over your asterisk Gender: Posts: 28,100 Thanks: 2,151 Thanked 5,338 Times in 2,433 Posts	I saw this from the main index and thought it said "Prostitution 19"

10-15-2010, 04:00 AM	#10
Vgfian Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Listening to Seeking 7 Seven and giving out free hugs. :) Gender: Posts: 6,862 Thanks: 2,433 Thanked 398 Times in 311 Posts	I'm cool with legalization and taxation. Just so long as it is illegal to drive while under its influence. And possibly a legal limit (in the same way as alcohol). Otherwise I'm thinking it will help the economy out in several ways. One it will be taxed therefore leading to more moneyz. Two, less people will be in prison for it and will be potential buyers for the entire market, not just weed. Three, It will be selling, so chances are the people selling will be making money and then spending it. Also, it will kill off a big part of illegal selling, and will keep the prison population down.

10-15-2010, 08:04 AM	#11
Valigarmander The Bee's Knees Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The land of rain and trees (Oregon) Gender: Posts: 29,755 Thanks: 1,649 Thanked 5,700 Times in 2,580 Posts Blog Entries: 20	I'm interested in seeing how this plays out.

10-15-2010, 12:45 PM	#13
Sim Kid Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The state of Denial Gender: Posts: 8,884 Thanks: 80 Thanked 198 Times in 122 Posts	It's not like Marijuana is a one-use addiction that really screws up your brain like Methamphetamine, anyways. Even the drug education we had didn't demonize it, they just told us what long-term use is the same way they did alcohol. (They said that one mug of beer won't kill you, and that one glass of wine has been proven to be healthy to adults, they just pointed out that it's the people who drink themselves silly or binge-drink for years that get it the worst.)

10-16-2010, 01:42 AM	#15
*Cosmonautical* Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I rub my tilde all over your asterisk Gender: Posts: 28,100 Thanks: 2,151 Thanked 5,338 Times in 2,433 Posts	Yet. Wait until someone pork barrels it.

10-16-2010, 01:47 AM	#16
Metal Man Fairy-Slaying Maniac Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: 1592 Miles Away From Here Gender: Posts: 18,062 Thanks: 148 Thanked 683 Times in 482 Posts	Well, propositions kind of make that hard. If the proposition doesn't have pork in it, pork can't be added afterwards. However, it is fairly inevitable that the newly created legal marijuana market would result in a pro-marijuana lobby which would probably do corrupt and bad things. But I guess it is inescapable.

10-16-2010, 02:22 AM	#17
*CaptHayfever* Smash SuperMod Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 27,661 Thanks: 1,991 Thanked 2,486 Times in 1,513 Posts	There already is a pro-marijuana lobby that does corrupt & bad things. This will help the non-corrupt pro-marijuana lobbiers, though. And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

10-25-2010, 04:30 AM	#20
Kargath et in Arcadia ego Join Date: Jul 2001 Gender: Posts: 8,334 Thanks: 1,226 Thanked 780 Times in 488 Posts	I think the taxation argument is silly. You decriminalise marijuana and remove all penalties from dealing and posession. You no longer deal with massive collection of underground DEA evasion networks. Instead ... you have a massive collection of underground tax evasion networks. With far less penalties for violating the law. All you did was hand legal safety to the dealers and users. Fail.