What's up with contrarian "neoconservatives" ?

***Cosmonautical*** · 02-05-2011, 10:27 PM

Why does every argument I ever read/hear from this movement have to be with an "IN YOUR FACE, LEFTERS" subtext? If you're challenging the social norm so hard, how can you even consider yourself conservative? I'm getting sick of seeing so-called mature adults acting like cranky 15-year-olds over their bipartisan doldrums.

Kil'jaeden · 02-06-2011, 02:24 AM

It's easy. Criticize leftist moralizing with one hand, and criticize leftist lack of moral values with the other.

***Cosmonautical*** · 02-06-2011, 10:24 PM

That one cracked me up, man. I do see a lot of that going on. Forgive me saying something so obvious, but how on earth does a person get so hypocritical?

Robotazy · 02-06-2011, 10:41 PM

Practice, Practice, Practice.

Sim Kid · 02-06-2011, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Long Live Emperor Brett

That one cracked me up, man. I do see a lot of that going on. Forgive me saying something so obvious, but how on earth does a person get so hypocritical?

Just about everyone engages in hypocrisy of some kind. I saw someone come into Subway with an anti-Obama sign calling him a socialist and whining about "paying for other people's ****" and then they tried to pay for their sandwich with FOOD STAMPS.

Was she serious?!

Fairlight Excalibur · 02-06-2011, 10:50 PM

^

I know nothing about this group, save that their name makes me dislike them.

Dizzy · 02-06-2011, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by The Traveler

^

I know nothing about this group, save that their name makes me dislike them.

I've heard them called 'conserberals' before, which is even worse.

Fairlight Excalibur · 02-06-2011, 10:59 PM

Ah. So they are the embodiment of everything that I hate. That's easy to remember.

***Cosmonautical*** · 02-06-2011, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by The Traveler

^

I know nothing about this group, save that their name makes me dislike them.

It started with the perhaps mislabeling of GW Bush and his associates, or at least they really got the ball rolling. Generally, the supporters seem to be those who don't really know what they believe in, save that they are AGAINST THE DEMOCRATS. I tend to think a lot of it's backed by corporate interest groups as a way to get their voice in the public office - they build platforms out of the disenfranchised social conservatives by trying to moralize their own agendas as engendering the american ideal, regardless if the ideals are unobtainable to the "middle class" and lower, as a result of the policies.

A lot of this blends in with the whole borrowing of pre-20th century concepts, though. "Progressive" policy was popular in the late 1800s, early 1900s. It has nothing to do with what's being labelled "Progressive" at the moment, it had more to do with middle-republican policy at the time of Teddy Roosevelt. This is a relabeling of current Democrat agendas to promote the concept of social embetterment of lower classes and world-community-participation as a means to motivate economy.

The "Tea Party" crap is another pre-20th century concept being borrowed for propaganda repurposing. Basically I would say it's just a re-organisation of the same that claims to hearken back to early American ideals, but without acknowledging that those ideals were largely propaganda or fictionalized in the past 2 centuries, and generally do not represent modern people dealing with modern society. A lot of it represents what was called Neoconservativism in earlier part of this past decade, but with a new mask.

Generally, the term "Neoconservative" was invented to describe recent politicians and groups which claim to return to socially conservative standards of the past, because the "Conservative" label used for the past century has generally meant near the opposite. Neoconservatives (G W Bush being the most recently identifiable figurehead) have favored dabbling in world politics, which is actually what the original Progressive movement campaigned for, and Conservatives campaigned against. Traditional Conservatives are isolationists.

heh · 02-07-2011, 12:14 AM

the level of discourse in america is basically rock bottom

nobody has any idea what words mean anymore

Sim Kid · 02-07-2011, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by derp

the level of discourse in america is basically rock bottom

nobody has any idea what words mean anymore

Of course.

Look how often the word "gay" is thrown around as an insult. Or how contradicting terms are used interchangeably.

MeowMan · 02-07-2011, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by derp

the level of discourse in america is basically rock bottom

nobody has any idea what words mean anymore

Sorry, I don't know what you're saying.

***Cosmonautical*** · 02-08-2011, 06:33 AM

^ (Ironically, since you have to ask) he is saying that the level of awareness and comprehension, especially of language, has lowered the quality of communication in the states to a level where only the most basic assumptions are available for discussion.

Or in layman's terms, people are too simple to realize they're simple.

But I've already decided you're trying to make a joke, anyway.

02-05-2011, 10:27 PM	#1
*Cosmonautical* Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I rub my tilde all over your asterisk Gender: Posts: 28,100 Thanks: 2,151 Thanked 5,338 Times in 2,433 Posts	What's up with contrarian "neoconservatives" ? Why does every argument I ever read/hear from this movement have to be with an "IN YOUR FACE, LEFTERS" subtext? If you're challenging the social norm so hard, how can you even consider yourself conservative? I'm getting sick of seeing so-called mature adults acting like cranky 15-year-olds over their bipartisan doldrums.

02-06-2011, 02:24 AM	#2
Kil'jaeden Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: in your mind Gender: Posts: 2,132 Thanks: 21 Thanked 146 Times in 99 Posts	It's easy. Criticize leftist moralizing with one hand, and criticize leftist lack of moral values with the other.

02-06-2011, 10:24 PM	#3
*Cosmonautical* Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I rub my tilde all over your asterisk Gender: Posts: 28,100 Thanks: 2,151 Thanked 5,338 Times in 2,433 Posts	That one cracked me up, man. I do see a lot of that going on. Forgive me saying something so obvious, but how on earth does a person get so hypocritical?

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Robotazy PRESS ANY KEY TO PANIC! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: A Tiny Shed Gender: Posts: 16,483 Thanks: 529 Thanked 1,254 Times in 897 Posts Blog Entries: 46	Practice, Practice, Practice.

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Fairlight Excalibur Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: LA Gender: Posts: 880 Thanks: 72 Thanked 111 Times in 82 Posts Blog Entries: 1	Ah. So they are the embodiment of everything that I hate. That's easy to remember.

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heh Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: lo-ca-tion; Noun- 1. a place or situation occupied: That house is in a fine location Gender: Posts: 9,849 Thanks: 710 Thanked 955 Times in 628 Posts	the level of discourse in america is basically rock bottom nobody has any idea what words mean anymore

02-08-2011, 06:33 AM	#13
*Cosmonautical* Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I rub my tilde all over your asterisk Gender: Posts: 28,100 Thanks: 2,151 Thanked 5,338 Times in 2,433 Posts	^ (Ironically, since you have to ask) he is saying that the level of awareness and comprehension, especially of language, has lowered the quality of communication in the states to a level where only the most basic assumptions are available for discussion. Or in layman's terms, people are too simple to realize they're simple. But I've already decided you're trying to make a joke, anyway.