This better be an elaborate prank.

Sim Kid · 02-15-2011, 12:17 PM

South Dakota Moves To Legalize Killing Abortion Providers | Mother Jones

:| Yeah if you wonder why you're seen as a bunch of religious whackos...that's your answer.

Glux · 02-15-2011, 12:38 PM

Well now.

Dizzy · 02-15-2011, 12:57 PM

At the risk of causing a flame war, I'd like to state that this is the reason we can't have a nice society.

Robotazy · 02-15-2011, 01:11 PM

Ok then.

I want a law passed that makes it legal to kill whoever I want for the reasons I want to.
It's only fair.

Jenocide · 02-15-2011, 01:15 PM

This is so classy. Next they'll try to stone adulterers and burn witches.

Drink: Wine
Vote: South Dakota
FoS: Tazy

**Valigarmander** · 02-15-2011, 02:12 PM

The bill will never make it.

Fairlight Excalibur · 02-15-2011, 02:31 PM

Score one for stereotyping.

**Loot** · 02-15-2011, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Sim Kid

:| Yeah if you wonder why you're seen as a bunch of religious whackos...that's your answer.

Except this isn't due to the people of SD. This is due to the right-wing assuming near-full control of power and going to any length to stop abortions, despite the last two ****ing bills being shot down in elections. So, in short, yeah, I do see why we're seen as "a bunch of religious whackos", mostly because of statements like this.

Do note that this is a bill meant to cover justifiable homicide. It's possible this was meant to cover pregnant women, but just happened to be... worded awkwardly.

On purpose.

Jere · 02-15-2011, 03:56 PM

But can american law overpass the Geneve Convention?

**Valigarmander** · 02-15-2011, 04:14 PM

^ The Geneva Conventions has to do with war crimes, not... whatever this is.

**Crazyswordsman** · 02-15-2011, 06:09 PM

I was gonna post this. Anyone who would ever consider themselves "pro-life" should oppose this bill.

Also, look at New bill will let doctors refuse to save the lives of pregnant women â€” Feministe: further proof that some so-called "pro-lifers" are really interested in forcing women to submit to men. -CSM

Panfan · 02-15-2011, 06:19 PM

^ but what if it's a woman doctor that does it...

Jere · 02-15-2011, 06:26 PM

The geneve convention decided that a human life if not to be thrown away what i remember, allso to not use landmines.

But if i remember correctly if a goverment decides something that allows something like that it's a crime against humanity

Kil'jaeden · 02-15-2011, 08:57 PM

This law actually covers justifiable homicides, it's just the clause "in the defense of an unborn child's life" that people are running away with. Then again, maybe that one clause is the whole reason this bill exists, and it is so people can kill abortion doctors.

And the Geneva Convention applies to warfare between countries, but it is not a branch of the government.

**Loot** · 02-15-2011, 09:48 PM

It's debatable. The Republicans pretty much wiped the floor in the last election (IIRC one of them doesn't even have a high school education or something), if you want to look at it that way.

Dizzy · 02-15-2011, 10:11 PM

I'm thinking they're just doing this to see what kind of **** they can stir up.

Glux · 02-15-2011, 10:18 PM

IRL TROLLS! OMG

ZeldaGirl · 02-15-2011, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by KANYE WEST QUOTE MACHINE

^ but what if it's a woman doctor that does it...

I *think* what CSM is getting at is laws like these, that essentially strip women of protections, contribute to a sexist and misogynistic society, where women are less valued.

And I mean...this bill sort of fits that. It's better to let a woman (and fetus) die than submit to an abortion? Really? It inherently implies that the woman's life is of less value than that of the fetus...even though both will die.

EDIT: because I meant to mention it, but pressed post too soon...it *is* possible for women to submit to or even contribute to a sexist society.

Glux · 02-15-2011, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeldaGirl

And I mean...this bill sort of fits that. It's better to let a woman (and fetus) die than submit to an abortion? Really? It inherently implies that the woman's life is of less value than that of the fetus...even though both will die.

I'm pro-life, but if it's to save the life of the mother, I would support an abortion to an extent. If the fetus/baby isn't developed enough to be saved then ok, do it, but I would still say do whatever you can to try and save both FIRST.

Jere · 02-16-2011, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Kil'jaeden

This law actually covers justifiable homicides, it's just the clause "in the defense of an unborn child's life" that people are running away with. Then again, maybe that one clause is the whole reason this bill exists, and it is so people can kill abortion doctors.

And the Geneva Convention applies to warfare between countries, but it is not a branch of the government.

I could swear it says something about the value of a human life and what you may and may not do to a human... i will have too look it up then.

And i think that this should be brought to a bigger light, anything that alows people to shoot/maim/kill other people that tries to help society can't be a good law.

This law have the potential to make little girls cry and any law that make little girls cry (or boys) can't be a good law!

Loosing a Mother i consider a little bit more traumatic than loosing the sibling you haven't met yet.

And then don't get me started on the economical aspect it just sound very misanthropic.

So anybody that even though this is a good law do not deserve the position their in, idiots like this shall not be in a position where they can do stuff like this an Angry mob is needed for this people to understand what a royal pain in the collective behind they are.

02-15-2011, 12:17 PM	#1
Sim Kid Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The state of Denial Gender: Posts: 8,884 Thanks: 80 Thanked 198 Times in 122 Posts	This better be an elaborate prank. South Dakota Moves To Legalize Killing Abortion Providers \| Mother Jones :\| Yeah if you wonder why you're seen as a bunch of religious whackos...that's your answer.

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Robotazy PRESS ANY KEY TO PANIC! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: A Tiny Shed Gender: Posts: 16,483 Thanks: 529 Thanked 1,254 Times in 897 Posts Blog Entries: 46	What we're basically coming down to if this law gets passed. Ok then. I want a law passed that makes it legal to kill whoever I want for the reasons I want to. It's only fair.

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Dizzy Podiaphobe Join Date: Oct 2007 Gender: Posts: 19,359 Thanks: 1,764 Thanked 1,161 Times in 804 Posts Blog Entries: 116	At the risk of causing a flame war, I'd like to state that this is the reason we can't have a nice society.

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Jenocide Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In the glovebox. Gender: Posts: 635 Thanks: 69 Thanked 97 Times in 68 Posts Blog Entries: 21	This is so classy. Next they'll try to stone adulterers and burn witches. Drink: Wine Vote: South Dakota FoS: Tazy

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Jere Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sutme Gender: Posts: 3,648 Thanks: 404 Thanked 331 Times in 256 Posts Blog Entries: 3	But can american law overpass the Geneve Convention?

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Valigarmander The Bee's Knees Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The land of rain and trees (Oregon) Gender: Posts: 29,755 Thanks: 1,649 Thanked 5,700 Times in 2,580 Posts Blog Entries: 20	^ The Geneva Conventions has to do with war crimes, not... whatever this is.

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Crazyswordsman This key doesn't work. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 10,791 Thanks: 1,019 Thanked 686 Times in 467 Posts	I was gonna post this. Anyone who would ever consider themselves "pro-life" should oppose this bill. Also, look at New bill will let doctors refuse to save the lives of pregnant women â€” Feministe: further proof that some so-called "pro-lifers" are really interested in forcing women to submit to men. -CSM

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Panfan AND HE PRAYS Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Grayskull Gender: Posts: 18,806 Thanks: 1,405 Thanked 2,250 Times in 1,338 Posts Blog Entries: 15	^ but what if it's a woman doctor that does it...

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Jere Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sutme Gender: Posts: 3,648 Thanks: 404 Thanked 331 Times in 256 Posts Blog Entries: 3	The geneve convention decided that a human life if not to be thrown away what i remember, allso to not use landmines. But if i remember correctly if a goverment decides something that allows something like that it's a crime against humanity

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Kil'jaeden Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: in your mind Gender: Posts: 2,132 Thanks: 21 Thanked 146 Times in 99 Posts	This law actually covers justifiable homicides, it's just the clause "in the defense of an unborn child's life" that people are running away with. Then again, maybe that one clause is the whole reason this bill exists, and it is so people can kill abortion doctors. And the Geneva Convention applies to warfare between countries, but it is not a branch of the government.

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Loot Apparently I'm a mod? Join Date: May 2001 Location: LEGITIMATE BUSINESS Gender: Posts: 13,208 Thanks: 236 Thanked 1,237 Times in 659 Posts	It's debatable. The Republicans pretty much wiped the floor in the last election (IIRC one of them doesn't even have a high school education or something), if you want to look at it that way.

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Dizzy Podiaphobe Join Date: Oct 2007 Gender: Posts: 19,359 Thanks: 1,764 Thanked 1,161 Times in 804 Posts Blog Entries: 116	I'm thinking they're just doing this to see what kind of **** they can stir up.

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