More and more arrests in New York Protests

**Loot** · 10-02-2011, 01:07 AM

Police Arrest More Than 700 Protesters on Brooklyn Bridge - NYTimes.com

Apparently up to 700. And many are arguing the NYPD led them onto the bridge to start arresting them.

Mmm, democracy.

**LASER BEAR ASSAULT UNIT** · 10-02-2011, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Loot

Police Arrest More Than 700 Protesters on Brooklyn Bridge - NYTimes.com

Apparently up to 700. And many are arguing the NYPD led them onto the bridge to start arresting them.

Mmm, democracy.

DEMOCRACY **** YEAH

Leinad · 10-02-2011, 03:59 PM

In all fairness, in anything other than a democracy, the police would probably have just shot them in the face.

I'll be honest I wouldn't be surprised if the police did lead them into a trap. I mean if you think about it from a police perspective, then these people are a potential risk to public safety. Protests can sadly turn violent, or perhaps even come under attack from other parties who would be able to hide amongst the protesters. As a result it's better to err on the side of caution then to give them the chance to turn to a danger to the public. Not that I'm saying that it's right for the police to do this, or that the police would be justified in their actions; just that the police have to take every possible precaution to avoid the endangerment of people's lives.

Kil'jaeden · 10-02-2011, 07:54 PM

They should have known better than to be herded there by police. If they get a chance to set people up, they do it.

Where's the media coverage anyway? Sure, it's there, but the Tea Party got more. And what's there is mostly about arrests. I am surprised they don't label everyone there as terrorists and cart them off to some secret prison.

***Cosmonautical*** · 10-03-2011, 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Leinad

Not that I'm saying that it's right for the police to do this, or that the police would be justified in their actions; just that the police have to take every possible precaution to avoid the endangerment of people's lives.

Police aren't really meant to perform a precautionary service. They're a reactionary force meant in part to discourage future crime by being the executive enforcement ones people actually commit that crime.

There should always be a line between "people capable of crime" and "criminals" because anyone is a potential risk. Simply because I haven't before doesn't mean I can't just get up and stab my neighbors with no warning, even if I swear by all accounts I do not foresee any potential for me to be provoked in that fashion. We are not prescient.

Peaceful protests are no endangerment, beside that. Licensed drivers are a larger threat. You can't ban anger, not without enforcing tyranny.

Kil'jaeden · 10-03-2011, 04:26 AM

Well, they at least chose the actual capital for their protest venue. There is D.C., but that's mostly for show, since the real power is in the hands of financiers and big business. I have little doubt that the police set them up. The various agencies are probably expanding their secret lists like mad because of this whole protest. Anyone that dissents now is automatically branded an enemy, and this mass arrest may be intended as an example. They may as well be enemies for how they will be treated. These people that have gotten arrested in the past weeks probably won't be able to fly again, and will probably be watched too. This country has slid further and further down the tube, and I really think we are going to fall down soon.

As for how police work, here's a story. I am sure you can find many other ludicrous incidents like this on the Internet and other news. Look at the raid on Gibson (the guitar maker) for an example of ridiculousness. Or maybe the Ruby Ridge incident, something also set up by police. Or the "gambling ring" of friends that bet on televised sports broken up with a raid resulting in a death.

Anyway, my uncle used to grow a bit of ginseng, and sell it. A man, a guy he knew, came to him one day asking him to buy a pound of ginseng. My uncle first refused because it was out of season, but he finally caved, because it was not a big deal, right? Well, that guy happened to be a police informant, and they used that to take action soon after. And by that, I mean a SWAT style raid on his house while he and his entire family were in it. They charged in, ransacked everything, took him in, and put him through months of hell over a pound of ****ing tea additive. They didn't even pay for any damage.

This happens all the time where I live. The biggest thing in the news paper is the next 30 people showing up on the front for some marijuana charges. Occasionally it's meth or heroin. Whenever this happens, and it does every few months, there will be a lot more arrests because they will name names, and the police move on to watching those people, and sometimes set a few of their druggies loose with wire taps so they can get a new catch. It just gets taken to ridiculous levels over even small amounts of marijuana. The last time there was a mass arrest, the police were gathered en masse about 10 feet from my house at the nearest neighbor arresting someone for marijuana. BAM, 20 years in prison in all probability. I would not be surprised if they suspect everyone nearby just for being close. We interact with those particular neighbors a lot. Suspicion would be cast on them, because the person arrested was their daughter's boyfriend, visiting them.

Sorry for the rant. To sum it up, the legal system is a mess, civil liberties are being curtailed, and no one can do anything about it because they will find ways to make life miserable for you.

**Valigarmander** · 10-04-2011, 12:13 PM

I'm still not sure how I feel about these protests. I think it's good that people are going after Wall Street, but I've yet to see any kind of coherent message or well-defined demands from the protesters.

Nevertheless, here's some very interesting news: JPMorgan Chase just recently made a $4.6 million donation to the NYPD. I wonder why..?

monstrman · 10-04-2011, 10:34 PM

Yeah of course they did because they know the protests are working (at least sort of)

Even if nothing may change, at least people stood by their beliefs and didn't sit down and just take it. That's exactly what allows the greed to continue.

Regardless, with things the way they are we don't really have a second amendment right (I mean, we can have weapons but a speedy militia isn't going to happen nowadays) especially if they decide to call in the U.S. military. And don't even act like the 4 banks of wall street that own everything won't sink that low.

**Crazyswordsman** · 10-05-2011, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Valigarmander

Nevertheless, here's some very interesting news: JPMorgan Chase just recently made a $4.6 million donation to the NYPD. I wonder why..?

Police bribery much? Cops shouldn't be allowed to take private donations. -CSM

Sim Kid · 10-06-2011, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazyswordsman

Police bribery much? Cops shouldn't be allowed to take private donations. -CSM

Nonono. It's "Lobbying". when it's Bribery or Corruption, it's illegal. When it's called "Lobbying", it's entirely legal.

**Valigarmander** · 10-06-2011, 08:09 PM

An open letter and warning from a former tea party movement adherent to the Occupy Wall Street movement. : occupywallstreet

Sim Kid · 10-07-2011, 01:41 AM

Wow, not a crazy tea partier at all. From day one the tea partiers out here were so far away from the sanity mean they could be considered outliers towards "zero". [/nerd]

***Cosmonautical*** · 10-28-2011, 12:29 PM

Yuh huh. You know who else liked to pet cats? Hitler.

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Meanwhile, Iraq war veteran Scott Olsen, who was allegedly shot in the head with a rubber bullet during yesterday’s raid on Occupy Oakland, is in critical condition after sustaining a skull fracture resulting in a swelling of the brain.

“This poor guy was right behind me when he was hit in the head with a police projectile,” said photographer Jay Finneburgh, who snapped these photos of an injured Olsen. “He went down hard and did not get up.”

A friend of Olsen’s said she was told his situation was “serious but stable,” and that he is currently unconscious after being sedated.

Oakland police released a statement earlier denying the use of rubber bullets against protesters, but photos allegedly taken at the scene suggest otherwise.

**Valigarmander** · 11-01-2011, 08:15 PM

Koch Head Conservative Filmmaker Hands Out Bongs At #OWS

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Be sure to watch this video through to at least four minutes if you can't bear to watch the entire six minutes of conservative punks being punks. Just before the four-minute mark, conservative blogger Evan Coyne Maloney admits that he's giving away bongs and Che Guevara rolling papers to Occupy Wall Street protesters in the hope that he'll get some negative video to market to Fox News or CNN.

Report: NYPD steers drunks to Occupy Wall Street

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But while officers may be in a no-win situation, at the mercy of orders carried on shifting political winds and locked into conflict with a so-far almost entirely non-violent protest movement eager to frame the force as a symbol of the oppressive system they’re fighting, the NYPD seems to have crossed a line in recent days, as the park has taken on a darker tone with unsteady and unstable types suddenly seeming to emerge from the woodwork. Two different drunks I spoke with last week told me they’d been encouraged to “take it to Zuccotti” by officers who’d found them drinking in other parks, and members of the community affairs working group related several similar stories they’d heard while talking with intoxicated or aggressive new arrivals.

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“He’s got a right to express himself, you’ve got a right to express yourself,” I heard three cops repeat in recent days, using nearly identical language, when asked to intervene with troublemakers inside the park, including a clearly disturbed man screaming and singing wildly at 3 a.m. for the second straight night.

Kil'jaeden · 11-07-2011, 03:21 AM

I like how the news (particularly that one news network) is trying to paint all the protesters in multiple cities as a bunch of unwashed hippies, drug addicts, union people paid to be there, lazy entitled young people, anti-semites, and your usual godless liberal stereotypes.

The other option for a protest, I guess, is a bunch of illiterate, gun toting, Bible thumping people that dress up in funny costumes and don't know what a government program is. Which stereotype is more offensive?

Apparently, any type of protest against a few guys making billions from air while the country loses money and jobs is now communist territory. Next they'll be talking about soviets and proletariats! Land will be redistributed and you will have to give all your stuff to everyone else. They'll set up a guillotine in Times Square and a traitor's court will be formed to put everyone with over $100000 on trial.

10-02-2011, 01:07 AM	#1
Loot Apparently I'm a mod? Join Date: May 2001 Location: LEGITIMATE BUSINESS Gender: Posts: 13,208 Thanks: 236 Thanked 1,237 Times in 659 Posts	More and more arrests in New York Protests Police Arrest More Than 700 Protesters on Brooklyn Bridge - NYTimes.com Apparently up to 700. And many are arguing the NYPD led them onto the bridge to start arresting them. Mmm, democracy.

10-02-2011, 03:59 PM	#3
Leinad Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: That place where I live. Gender: Posts: 1,813 Thanks: 47 Thanked 56 Times in 48 Posts	In all fairness, in anything other than a democracy, the police would probably have just shot them in the face. I'll be honest I wouldn't be surprised if the police did lead them into a trap. I mean if you think about it from a police perspective, then these people are a potential risk to public safety. Protests can sadly turn violent, or perhaps even come under attack from other parties who would be able to hide amongst the protesters. As a result it's better to err on the side of caution then to give them the chance to turn to a danger to the public. Not that I'm saying that it's right for the police to do this, or that the police would be justified in their actions; just that the police have to take every possible precaution to avoid the endangerment of people's lives.

10-02-2011, 07:54 PM	#4
Kil'jaeden Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: in your mind Gender: Posts: 2,132 Thanks: 21 Thanked 146 Times in 99 Posts	They should have known better than to be herded there by police. If they get a chance to set people up, they do it. Where's the media coverage anyway? Sure, it's there, but the Tea Party got more. And what's there is mostly about arrests. I am surprised they don't label everyone there as terrorists and cart them off to some secret prison.

10-03-2011, 04:26 AM	#6
Kil'jaeden Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: in your mind Gender: Posts: 2,132 Thanks: 21 Thanked 146 Times in 99 Posts	Well, they at least chose the actual capital for their protest venue. There is D.C., but that's mostly for show, since the real power is in the hands of financiers and big business. I have little doubt that the police set them up. The various agencies are probably expanding their secret lists like mad because of this whole protest. Anyone that dissents now is automatically branded an enemy, and this mass arrest may be intended as an example. They may as well be enemies for how they will be treated. These people that have gotten arrested in the past weeks probably won't be able to fly again, and will probably be watched too. This country has slid further and further down the tube, and I really think we are going to fall down soon. As for how police work, here's a story. I am sure you can find many other ludicrous incidents like this on the Internet and other news. Look at the raid on Gibson (the guitar maker) for an example of ridiculousness. Or maybe the Ruby Ridge incident, something also set up by police. Or the "gambling ring" of friends that bet on televised sports broken up with a raid resulting in a death. Anyway, my uncle used to grow a bit of ginseng, and sell it. A man, a guy he knew, came to him one day asking him to buy a pound of ginseng. My uncle first refused because it was out of season, but he finally caved, because it was not a big deal, right? Well, that guy happened to be a police informant, and they used that to take action soon after. And by that, I mean a SWAT style raid on his house while he and his entire family were in it. They charged in, ransacked everything, took him in, and put him through months of hell over a pound of ****ing tea additive. They didn't even pay for any damage. This happens all the time where I live. The biggest thing in the news paper is the next 30 people showing up on the front for some marijuana charges. Occasionally it's meth or heroin. Whenever this happens, and it does every few months, there will be a lot more arrests because they will name names, and the police move on to watching those people, and sometimes set a few of their druggies loose with wire taps so they can get a new catch. It just gets taken to ridiculous levels over even small amounts of marijuana. The last time there was a mass arrest, the police were gathered en masse about 10 feet from my house at the nearest neighbor arresting someone for marijuana. BAM, 20 years in prison in all probability. I would not be surprised if they suspect everyone nearby just for being close. We interact with those particular neighbors a lot. Suspicion would be cast on them, because the person arrested was their daughter's boyfriend, visiting them. Sorry for the rant. To sum it up, the legal system is a mess, civil liberties are being curtailed, and no one can do anything about it because they will find ways to make life miserable for you.

10-04-2011, 12:13 PM	#7
Valigarmander The Bee's Knees Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The land of rain and trees (Oregon) Gender: Posts: 29,755 Thanks: 1,649 Thanked 5,700 Times in 2,580 Posts Blog Entries: 20	I'm still not sure how I feel about these protests. I think it's good that people are going after Wall Street, but I've yet to see any kind of coherent message or well-defined demands from the protesters. Nevertheless, here's some very interesting news: JPMorgan Chase just recently made a $4.6 million donation to the NYPD. I wonder why..?

10-04-2011, 10:34 PM	#8
monstrman Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: LET'S SAAAAAVE THE WOOOORLD. Gender: Posts: 1,035 Thanks: 87 Thanked 53 Times in 42 Posts Blog Entries: 5	Yeah of course they did because they know the protests are working (at least sort of) Even if nothing may change, at least people stood by their beliefs and didn't sit down and just take it. That's exactly what allows the greed to continue. Regardless, with things the way they are we don't really have a second amendment right (I mean, we can have weapons but a speedy militia isn't going to happen nowadays) especially if they decide to call in the U.S. military. And don't even act like the 4 banks of wall street that own everything won't sink that low.

10-06-2011, 08:09 PM	#11
Valigarmander The Bee's Knees Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The land of rain and trees (Oregon) Gender: Posts: 29,755 Thanks: 1,649 Thanked 5,700 Times in 2,580 Posts Blog Entries: 20	An open letter and warning from a former tea party movement adherent to the Occupy Wall Street movement. : occupywallstreet

10-07-2011, 01:41 AM	#12
Sim Kid Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The state of Denial Gender: Posts: 8,884 Thanks: 80 Thanked 198 Times in 122 Posts	Wow, not a crazy tea partier at all. From day one the tea partiers out here were so far away from the sanity mean they could be considered outliers towards "zero". [/nerd]

11-07-2011, 03:21 AM	#15
Kil'jaeden Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: in your mind Gender: Posts: 2,132 Thanks: 21 Thanked 146 Times in 99 Posts	I like how the news (particularly that one news network) is trying to paint all the protesters in multiple cities as a bunch of unwashed hippies, drug addicts, union people paid to be there, lazy entitled young people, anti-semites, and your usual godless liberal stereotypes. The other option for a protest, I guess, is a bunch of illiterate, gun toting, Bible thumping people that dress up in funny costumes and don't know what a government program is. Which stereotype is more offensive? Apparently, any type of protest against a few guys making billions from air while the country loses money and jobs is now communist territory. Next they'll be talking about soviets and proletariats! Land will be redistributed and you will have to give all your stuff to everyone else. They'll set up a guillotine in Times Square and a traitor's court will be formed to put everyone with over $100000 on trial.