Do-Not-Elect List 2012

***CaptHayfever*** · 01-04-2012, 12:41 AM

I wrote this last night. It's a list of every Congressperson & presidential candidate who supported NDAA, the latest Patriot Act extension, and/or SOPA/Protect IP.
Looking for feedback, particularly regarding how soon I can expect to be indefinitely detained without trial or charge.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Robotazy · 01-04-2012, 12:52 AM

So......Don't vote at all?

**Valigarmander** · 01-04-2012, 12:54 AM

I guess the only person I have to look out for is Wyden.

As for the presidential election, I was expecting to vote for a third party candidate anyway.

***CaptHayfever*** · 01-04-2012, 03:17 AM

^^No. In the congressional elections, vote against the incumbents, & in the presidential primaries/election, vote for a candidate not on that list. Not voting at all is only ever appropriate if you are genuinely apathetic towards the outcome of the election.

^But again, Wyden's got our back on PIPA & another 4 years on his term, so I'm willing to let him slide.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Robotazy · 01-04-2012, 03:42 AM

*Sigh*

Politics is hard.

Bomby · 01-04-2012, 09:39 AM

How about including all the candidates who voted to extend the Bush tax cuts? Or better yet, how about looking at the big picture instead of focusing on two or three issues?

Eagle Eye · 01-04-2012, 10:12 AM

The NDAA is a defense spending bill, the provision to lock someone deemed a "terrorist" up, will backfire the minute a constitutional attorney gets a hold of it. The family of the convicted will more than likely be the one doing the appointing, once it reaches Supreme Court it's over, it'll be deemed "unconstitutional" the same way Obama's Healthcare proposal will (well, they're going to more than likely rule that you cannot force the American people to buy something they don't want if they don't want it). Needs to be a Gov't-based option of healthcare, a basic plan for those who can't pay for a pricey insurance plan and not a government forced one. I'm all for helping people, but we can't keep spending money that we don't have, look what's going on in Greece and Europe overall.

But yeah, I am pissed about SOPA

Kil'jaeden · 01-04-2012, 10:40 AM

At this point there is not much good in keeping the lot of them.

***CaptHayfever*** · 01-04-2012, 01:52 PM

^^^Adding the tax cut to the prez list would just add Ron Paul to the list; I didn't vet the 3rd party candidates. (Check the timestamp on that entry.) I am looking at the big picture, but really, though, all of the bills I checked are ONE issue.
As I've said before, if I refused to vote for anyone who disagreed with me on any issue, I'd have to vote for myself every time.

^^"Family of the arrested" you mean, not "convicted." You can't be convicted if there's no trial. You also can't appeal if there's no trial.

^That's sorta the point, yes.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Kil'jaeden · 01-05-2012, 03:23 AM

I meant every member of Congress. People complained about a do nothing Congress, and look what happens when they do things. We have this same group of old rich people in there every election, with a few changes that really don't matter.

I don't think elections matter all that much anyway. People never think about all the unelected officials that keep things running. Or about who really writes laws. Elections don't change much about the lobbying establishment, the military establisment, the parties' establishments, the hordes of officials that enforce things, the board of people that run our financial system, and other things like that. It's connections and money that are important. That's why I think the best experiment that could be tried is a Congress of people with no connections to the establishment running only on donations from supporters. Or we could try the public finance route and keep lobbyist money out that way. I would even like to see the ages lowered to 18 for both houses, just so we see some younger people with fewer connections instead of people with money wanting to play politics or career politicians. I don't care if it sounds absurd, it's still better than what we have. But it won't happen.

Sim Kid · 01-05-2012, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bomby

How about including all the candidates who voted to extend the Bush tax cuts? Or better yet, how about looking at the big picture instead of focusing on two or three issues?

Good luck - you'd be surprised how many people are single-issue voters.

Then again though seeing as our votes go into the trash anyways....

Bomby · 01-05-2012, 01:27 PM

Single issue voters are the reason why many people who are actually rather liberal but oppose abortion keep voting for Republicans whose policies are actually anti-life.

Our lack of a universal health care is a downright shame - we have the highest GDP of any country in the world, and yet many countries who are considered to be well-developed but are not as successful as we are (I can name Taiwan, South Korea, Canada, the UK and the Scandinavian nations offhand) have some form of universal health care system and are not bankrupting them, simply because their governments have tax plans that actually make sense. The Affordable Health Care act is far from perfect but is definitely a step in the right direction.

Those condending that requiring Americans to purchase some form of health insurance is unconstitutional and doesn't already exist might want to take a closer look at the laws requiring drivers to have car insurance.

***CaptHayfever*** · 01-05-2012, 01:39 PM

^^^Maybe not 18, but I wouldn't oppose lowering the Senate to 25 to match the House.

^The problem there isn't that they're voting on a single issue, but that their issue is something elected officials can't actually affect.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Bomby · 01-05-2012, 01:48 PM

Right - it would be simply impossible to actually outlaw abortion altogether, which is another thing I've thought for years. The fact that Mississippi's Personhood amendment failed to pass in what is a very conservative state is really saying something.

What I'm really worried about, which I do believe a majority Republican federal government could unfortunately pass through - is an amendment to ban same-sex marriage. No offense to anyone, but I personally believe that the anti-marriage equality tide doesn't really have a leg to stand on, politically speaking.

Full disclosure: my sister is gay, but that fact has pretty much nothing to do with my views on the subject matter.

Also, my apology if my wording of my views is coming off as harsh and condescending. I'm kind of in a charged mood right now.

***CaptHayfever*** · 01-06-2012, 02:27 AM

Quote:

No offense to anyone, but I personally believe that the anti-marriage equality tide doesn't really have a leg to stand on, politically speaking.

There's nothing offensive here. You're right; it doesn't have a leg to stand on, politically or legally.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

**Crazyswordsman** · 01-06-2012, 09:12 PM

I was thinking....wasn't Wyden deadset on killing all the internet blacklist legislation? Compared to a lot of these other guys he's not bad at all. -CSM

***CaptHayfever*** · 01-07-2012, 12:40 AM

Yes, that's why I said I'm willing to let him slide.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Rainbow Dash · 01-07-2012, 01:00 AM

ron paul 2012

**Loot** · 01-07-2012, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rainbow Dash

ron paul 2012

Bomby · 01-09-2012, 09:51 AM

Ron Paul 2012? No thanks. I think the Civil Rights act and regulations to ensure I have a safe working environment are spectacular.

01-04-2012, 12:41 AM	#1
*CaptHayfever* Smash SuperMod Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 27,661 Thanks: 1,991 Thanked 2,486 Times in 1,513 Posts	Do-Not-Elect List 2012 I wrote this last night. It's a list of every Congressperson & presidential candidate who supported NDAA, the latest Patriot Act extension, and/or SOPA/Protect IP. Looking for feedback, particularly regarding how soon I can expect to be indefinitely detained without trial or charge. And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

01-05-2012, 01:27 PM	#12
Bomby You just freaking blew Joe Biden's mind! Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: WHAT?house Gender: Posts: 19,491 Thanks: 513 Thanked 1,449 Times in 849 Posts Blog Entries: 5	Single issue voters are the reason why many people who are actually rather liberal but oppose abortion keep voting for Republicans whose policies are actually anti-life. Our lack of a universal health care is a downright shame - we have the highest GDP of any country in the world, and yet many countries who are considered to be well-developed but are not as successful as we are (I can name Taiwan, South Korea, Canada, the UK and the Scandinavian nations offhand) have some form of universal health care system and are not bankrupting them, simply because their governments have tax plans that actually make sense. The Affordable Health Care act is far from perfect but is definitely a step in the right direction. Those condending that requiring Americans to purchase some form of health insurance is unconstitutional and doesn't already exist might want to take a closer look at the laws requiring drivers to have car insurance. Last edited by Bomby; 01-05-2012 at 01:38 PM.

01-04-2012, 12:52 AM	#2
Robotazy PRESS ANY KEY TO PANIC! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: A Tiny Shed Gender: Posts: 16,483 Thanks: 529 Thanked 1,254 Times in 897 Posts Blog Entries: 46	So......Don't vote at all?

01-04-2012, 12:54 AM	#3
Valigarmander The Bee's Knees Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The land of rain and trees (Oregon) Gender: Posts: 29,755 Thanks: 1,649 Thanked 5,700 Times in 2,580 Posts Blog Entries: 20	I guess the only person I have to look out for is Wyden. As for the presidential election, I was expecting to vote for a third party candidate anyway.

01-04-2012, 03:17 AM	#4
*CaptHayfever* Smash SuperMod Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 27,661 Thanks: 1,991 Thanked 2,486 Times in 1,513 Posts	^^No. In the congressional elections, vote against the incumbents, & in the presidential primaries/election, vote for a candidate not on that list. Not voting at all is only ever appropriate if you are genuinely apathetic towards the outcome of the election. ^But again, Wyden's got our back on PIPA & another 4 years on his term, so I'm willing to let him slide. And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

01-04-2012, 03:42 AM	#5
Robotazy PRESS ANY KEY TO PANIC! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: A Tiny Shed Gender: Posts: 16,483 Thanks: 529 Thanked 1,254 Times in 897 Posts Blog Entries: 46	Sigh Politics is hard.

01-04-2012, 09:39 AM	#6
Bomby You just freaking blew Joe Biden's mind! Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: WHAT?house Gender: Posts: 19,491 Thanks: 513 Thanked 1,449 Times in 849 Posts Blog Entries: 5	How about including all the candidates who voted to extend the Bush tax cuts? Or better yet, how about looking at the big picture instead of focusing on two or three issues?

01-04-2012, 10:12 AM	#7
Eagle Eye Diddy bops Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Birmingham, AL Gender: Posts: 15,014 Thanks: 1,616 Thanked 1,084 Times in 597 Posts	The NDAA is a defense spending bill, the provision to lock someone deemed a "terrorist" up, will backfire the minute a constitutional attorney gets a hold of it. The family of the convicted will more than likely be the one doing the appointing, once it reaches Supreme Court it's over, it'll be deemed "unconstitutional" the same way Obama's Healthcare proposal will (well, they're going to more than likely rule that you cannot force the American people to buy something they don't want if they don't want it). Needs to be a Gov't-based option of healthcare, a basic plan for those who can't pay for a pricey insurance plan and not a government forced one. I'm all for helping people, but we can't keep spending money that we don't have, look what's going on in Greece and Europe overall. But yeah, I am pissed about SOPA

01-04-2012, 10:40 AM	#8
Kil'jaeden Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: in your mind Gender: Posts: 2,132 Thanks: 21 Thanked 146 Times in 99 Posts	At this point there is not much good in keeping the lot of them.

01-04-2012, 01:52 PM	#9
*CaptHayfever* Smash SuperMod Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 27,661 Thanks: 1,991 Thanked 2,486 Times in 1,513 Posts	^^^Adding the tax cut to the prez list would just add Ron Paul to the list; I didn't vet the 3rd party candidates. (Check the timestamp on that entry.) I am looking at the big picture, but really, though, all of the bills I checked are ONE issue. As I've said before, if I refused to vote for anyone who disagreed with me on any issue, I'd have to vote for myself every time. ^^"Family of the arrested" you mean, not "convicted." You can't be convicted if there's no trial. You also can't appeal if there's no trial. ^That's sorta the point, yes. And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

01-05-2012, 03:23 AM	#10
Kil'jaeden Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: in your mind Gender: Posts: 2,132 Thanks: 21 Thanked 146 Times in 99 Posts	I meant every member of Congress. People complained about a do nothing Congress, and look what happens when they do things. We have this same group of old rich people in there every election, with a few changes that really don't matter. I don't think elections matter all that much anyway. People never think about all the unelected officials that keep things running. Or about who really writes laws. Elections don't change much about the lobbying establishment, the military establisment, the parties' establishments, the hordes of officials that enforce things, the board of people that run our financial system, and other things like that. It's connections and money that are important. That's why I think the best experiment that could be tried is a Congress of people with no connections to the establishment running only on donations from supporters. Or we could try the public finance route and keep lobbyist money out that way. I would even like to see the ages lowered to 18 for both houses, just so we see some younger people with fewer connections instead of people with money wanting to play politics or career politicians. I don't care if it sounds absurd, it's still better than what we have. But it won't happen.

01-05-2012, 01:39 PM	#13
*CaptHayfever* Smash SuperMod Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 27,661 Thanks: 1,991 Thanked 2,486 Times in 1,513 Posts	^^^Maybe not 18, but I wouldn't oppose lowering the Senate to 25 to match the House. ^The problem there isn't that they're voting on a single issue, but that their issue is something elected officials can't actually affect. And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

01-07-2012, 01:00 AM	#18
Rainbow Dash been dreamin', i've been waitin' Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: a bomb-ass cloud house bachelorette pad Gender: Posts: 24,401 Thanks: 173 Thanked 1,179 Times in 716 Posts	ron paul 2012

01-05-2012, 01:48 PM	#14
Bomby You just freaking blew Joe Biden's mind! Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: WHAT?house Gender: Posts: 19,491 Thanks: 513 Thanked 1,449 Times in 849 Posts Blog Entries: 5	Right - it would be simply impossible to actually outlaw abortion altogether, which is another thing I've thought for years. The fact that Mississippi's Personhood amendment failed to pass in what is a very conservative state is really saying something. What I'm really worried about, which I do believe a majority Republican federal government could unfortunately pass through - is an amendment to ban same-sex marriage. No offense to anyone, but I personally believe that the anti-marriage equality tide doesn't really have a leg to stand on, politically speaking. Full disclosure: my sister is gay, but that fact has pretty much nothing to do with my views on the subject matter. Also, my apology if my wording of my views is coming off as harsh and condescending. I'm kind of in a charged mood right now.

01-06-2012, 09:12 PM	#16
Crazyswordsman This key doesn't work. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 10,791 Thanks: 1,019 Thanked 686 Times in 467 Posts	I was thinking....wasn't Wyden deadset on killing all the internet blacklist legislation? Compared to a lot of these other guys he's not bad at all. -CSM

01-07-2012, 12:40 AM	#17
*CaptHayfever* Smash SuperMod Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 27,661 Thanks: 1,991 Thanked 2,486 Times in 1,513 Posts	Yes, that's why I said I'm willing to let him slide. And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

01-09-2012, 09:51 AM	#20
Bomby You just freaking blew Joe Biden's mind! Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: WHAT?house Gender: Posts: 19,491 Thanks: 513 Thanked 1,449 Times in 849 Posts Blog Entries: 5	Ron Paul 2012? No thanks. I think the Civil Rights act and regulations to ensure I have a safe working environment are spectacular.