Knight or Samurai? - Page 2 - VGF

Dark Link · 07-23-2005, 05:52 AM

car door's are made of aluminum...its meant to be light, so its not nearly as strong as steel.

car doors are partially hollow. Steel armour would be placed on leather padding, which in turn would layer on top of the actual flesh. An Axe(katana) can cut a 2'4 pine beam(hollow, no density car door) in one powerful swing.

But, its not gunna cut through a white oak tree trunk(dense steel on top of leather, on top of human flesh).

If that didn't make sense...you can stab a pencil through a piece of paper easily. But you can't stab a pencil through 25 pieces of paper stacked ontop of each other, as easily as just one.

Spritedude · 07-27-2005, 08:10 PM

I heard that some knights used maces that were so powerful, they can crush bone, and bone is only a little harder than concrete. So if a samurai's armor is as strong as concrete, a knight could probably smash through it.

celebi134 · 07-28-2005, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lung Butter:
Bad. This is not FFT.

We are n0ot talking about videa game knights and samurai, you douche. We are probably talking about the REAL WARRIORS that existed centuries ago.

At any rate...

I would say a Samurai could be better, but only due to some clauses. Not only is he faster, but you forget that his sword usually has a slender tip. If the Samurai could evade attacks from the Knight and find a weak point in his armor, a simple impaling would probably defeat (or possibly kill) the Knight. Other than that, Knights have a greater adventage

celebi134 · 07-28-2005, 01:36 PM

-(COME ON!!! My 4th day back @ VGF Forums, and I've double-posted 3 TIMES!!)

Liam Acerbus · 07-29-2005, 08:22 AM

^^ Most European swords have tapering tips as well. It would be difficult to stab with a curved sword.

Erdawn Il Deus · 07-29-2005, 02:52 PM

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Originally posted by Celebi-134:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Lung Butter:
Bad. This is not FFT.

We are n0ot talking about videa game knights and samurai, you douche. We are probably talking about the REAL WARRIORS that existed centuries ago.

At any rate...

I would say a Samurai could be better, but only due to some clauses. Not only is he faster, but you forget that his sword usually has a slender tip. If the Samurai could evade attacks from the Knight and find a weak point in his armor, a simple impaling would probably defeat (or possibly kill) the Knight. Other than that, Knights have a greater adventage [/quote]You're dismissing knights as slow - they may be portrayed that way in the movies, but in reality knights were trained rigourously in terms of agility. Also, the knight would probably be using a shield - which samurai rarely if ever witnessed in their time. And no, katanas cannot cut through steel. [img]tongue.gif[/img] It wouldn't be able to cut through a shield. It would get hella stuck and the 'rai would be hella screwed.

http://www.thearma.org/essays/knightvs.htm

Liam Acerbus · 07-29-2005, 07:56 PM

^ Ah, my thanks for the excellent article.

Sabrilocke · 07-30-2005, 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Celebi-134:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Lung Butter:
Bad. This is not FFT.

We are n0ot talking about videa game knights and samurai, you douche.[/quote]Wow, way to get worked up over something somebody says to be a smartass.

DieZel · 08-05-2005, 11:11 AM

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Originally posted by Icy Hendrix:
It would get hella stuck and the 'rai would be hella screwed.

Yeah, and even if the knight turns out to be a kind person and lets the samurai go, the 'rai will still have to perform a seppuku and kill himself. It sucks to be a samurai (but you will at least look good on the cover of a comix book/anime movie.

Erdawn Il Deus · 08-05-2005, 01:25 PM

Yeah, eh? They do look cool. Problem is manga/anime/etc hardly ever get it right. Spike Spiegel was actually a damn good samurai, excluding the honor thing. Regardless -- culture has elevated samurai to an ungodly level of praise. Swords that can cut through anything and ****. But all you have to do is copare bushido and chivalry and we have our own samurai in the Knights (although the differences in values are IMMENSE AND CYCLOPEAN).

It's interesting to read up on this stuff. Especially after reading SHOGUN, by James Clavelle.

Sabrilocke · 08-05-2005, 03:21 PM

I found this copy of the Chivalry, as King Arthur would've written it, had he existed. I've also found the Bushido. I'll post 'em when I find 'em again.

07-23-2005, 05:52 AM	#21
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07-27-2005, 08:10 PM	#22
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08-05-2005, 03:21 PM	#31
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