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Irby · 05-08-2008, 02:57 PM

Brawl.

***CaptHayfever*** · 05-08-2008, 04:26 PM

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Tiers are based off of winners of tournaments. Fox is the top of the tier for a good reason--he matches up with so many people and can easily rape on any stage. Fox is the reason many of the Melee stages aren't used in tournaments--he would win every time on a place like Onett or Yoshi's Island. So yeah, tiers exist. The best Fox player ever could easily beat the best Bowser player ever.

Capt, Tiers weren't created by Fox players. I play as Doctor Mario and I still think tiers exist. People play who they enjoy playing as--if that's Fox, more power to them. There are some well-known tourney players who play as mid-to-low tiers: Gimpyfish plays Bowser, King plays Jigglypuff, the list goes on.

You have said nothing to convince me that the tier structure was coded into the game. It's still something imposed onto the game by players.
You've also said nothing to explain tiers to those of us who don't follow "official" tournaments at all.
Playing Bowser is largely about anticipation and exploitation; once Mr. Best-Fox-Player and Mr. Best-Bowser-Player had fought a few times, I guarantee Mr. Best-Bowser-Player would have picked up on Mr. Best-Fox-Player's habits and patterns and started to use them against him.

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This is how I read that: "I fought my friend's Marth one time and I won, so tiers don't exist."

If you meant something else, let me know.

Wow, presumptuous & arrogant much? Seriously, that was the first place you went when you read what I posted? Dang.
No, I actually meant in some campus tourneys, fighting some guys who are absolute monsters with Marth, Fox, Doc, etc. I'm talking about matches that I lost, though I certainly put up a good front. Heck, I'm even talking about matches where I got completely dismantled for the first 2 lives, but started turning it around afterwards.

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Enjoy the game. Don't talk **** about other people who enjoy it in their way.

People whining about tiers (whether they won or lost, whether they use an upper-tier character or lower) when I'm just trying to play disrupt my enjoyment of the game. It's them that I'm insulting.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

**Crazyswordsman** · 05-08-2008, 06:17 PM

I don't even know what a tier is. Someone enlighten me. -CSM

Irby · 05-08-2008, 06:19 PM

I don't have a light with me sorry.

YOU ARE MY FRIENDS · 05-08-2008, 07:20 PM

Tier list - SmashWiki

But yeah, the best Bowser player could give the best Fox player a challenge, or :O, he might win! The best Fox player may be the best Fox player, but the best Bowser player may be a better player overall.

speed is OVER 9000 · 05-08-2008, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Caput Equi XVI

1. Tournament players who say people need to learn how to play are stupid.

2. People who dis tournament players for the things they know are also stupid.

Sword guys who cheat? What does that even mean?

You don't have to know about "sneaky game holes." If you know tournament players, play some time matches on stages like Big Blue, with items on. If they don't want to because it's not fun, that's their fault and they're dumb.

Tiers are based off of winners of tournaments. Fox is the top of the tier for a good reason--he matches up with so many people and can easily rape on any stage. Fox is the reason many of the Melee stages aren't used in tournaments--he would win every time on a place like Onett or Yoshi's Island. So yeah, tiers exist. The best Fox player ever could easily beat the best Bowser player ever.

Capt, Tiers weren't created by Fox players. I play as Doctor Mario and I still think tiers exist. People play who they enjoy playing as--if that's Fox, more power to them. There are some well-known tourney players who play as mid-to-low tiers: Gimpyfish plays Bowser, King plays Jigglypuff, the list goes on.

This is how I read that: "I fought my friend's Marth one time and I won, so tiers don't exist."

If you meant something else, let me know.

Now I want you guys to pay close attention to this:

If you do advanced techniques, you're not necessarily a good player.
If you're a good player, the advanced techniques are extremely useful.

See what I'm saying? I can L-cancel, wavedash, Shuffle, but there are people out there that are way better than I am. Don't piss all over the idea of tournament players just because they play the game differently.

Enjoy the game. Don't talk **** about other people who enjoy it in their way.

Also, I have nothing against any of you guys, but every time someone makes an unfair generalization, especially when they're saying something stupid about something I enjoy, I get a little bothered.

Also, Brawl is my favorite.

You are now my least favorite person.

**Perrin Aybara** · 05-09-2008, 12:46 AM

Dear sweet lord, I remember downloading and playing Kart Fighters. Ownage.-jay

**Kargath** · 05-09-2008, 03:56 AM

I'll take the opportunity to remind you all that one of my main rules in this forum is to play nice.

Tad Venture · 05-09-2008, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptHayfever

You have said nothing to convince me that the tier structure was coded into the game. It's still something imposed onto the game by players.
You've also said nothing to explain tiers to those of us who don't follow "official" tournaments at all.
Playing Bowser is largely about anticipation and exploitation; once Mr. Best-Fox-Player and Mr. Best-Bowser-Player had fought a few times, I guarantee Mr. Best-Bowser-Player would have picked up on Mr. Best-Fox-Player's habits and patterns and started to use them against him.

I never said anything about tiers being coded in...because they're not. Tiers are just statistic things that tourney players have come up with based on winners and losers across the board, especially in 'professional' tournaments. I understand that Bowser can be a force to be reckoned with when you play right, but Fox's matchup against Bowser is really, really good. The Bowser player could put up a fight--he might even win a round--but in a best-of-3 series, the odds are that the Fox player will win. At least in a good tourney.

Keep in mind, tiers are useless if the person playing with fox or Falco or whoever is absolutely terrible.

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Wow, presumptuous & arrogant much? Seriously, that was the first place you went when you read what I posted? Dang.
No, I actually meant in some campus tourneys, fighting some guys who are absolute monsters with Marth, Fox, Doc, etc. I'm talking about matches that I lost, though I certainly put up a good front. Heck, I'm even talking about matches where I got completely dismantled for the first 2 lives, but started turning it around afterwards.

Yeah, sorry, that was kinda harsh. Forgive me, though. I've heard that argument a lot.

And yeah, I get what you're saying. Like I said earlier, regardless of tiers, a player's skill comes into play--A great Luigi could do some damage against a good Marth, especially after learning habits of the player.

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People whining about tiers (whether they won or lost, whether they use an upper-tier character or lower) when I'm just trying to play disrupt my enjoyment of the game. It's them that I'm insulting.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Well, yeah, because they're idiots. I say a third time: regardless of tiers, you have to be good with someone for them to be a good character.

I'm sorry if I came off as brash, Capt, and I have nothing against you. But really, after reading so much "glitch-exploiting" and "tiers don't exist" stuff, it starts to wear on you.

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Originally Posted by speed

You are now my least favorite person.

Definitely a great contribution to the discussion.

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Originally Posted by Panfan

Tier list - SmashWiki

But yeah, the best Bowser player could give the best Fox player a challenge, or :O, he might win! The best Fox player may be the best Fox player, but the best Bowser player may be a better player overall.

All right, here.

Player A is Fox, Player B is Bowser.

Player A and Player B are equally good, and have won tournaments. Lots of them.

It is highly likely that player A will beat Player B in a Best of 3 series.

Get me?

Ike · 05-09-2008, 01:27 PM

This is kind of why I avoid this tournament crap. Too many people get overly defensive about everything and it's just not fun to play anymore. Generally I fair pretty well in tournaments, but far too m any people take them too seriously.

That being said, I haven't spent enough time with Brawl yet to determine whether I prefer it over Melee yet, but I am leaning towards Brawl.

YOU ARE MY FRIENDS · 05-09-2008, 02:28 PM

I kinda see your point. I still think it's still kinda ridiculous, but that's my opinion. And like Auron (that's Auron, right?) I don't really have interest in Smash tournaments because of stuff like that, and all the rules. I just play for fun.

Tad Venture · 05-09-2008, 10:08 PM

More power to you, Panfan.

1-up SalesFACEman · 05-09-2008, 11:41 PM

BRAWL,duh!!!!

That Guy · 05-09-2008, 11:43 PM

couldn't these topics have been in the SSB fourm

oh and Brawl.

VWF_champion · 05-15-2008, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazyswordsman

-CSM

No. Just no. And if you're turned on by that picture, seek help NOW.

Anyway, Melee. Brawl will probably top it if I ever get it.

Medli · 05-26-2008, 08:20 PM

I'm going to have to saw Brawl. There is just so much you can do plus all of the new characters that you can be. It's GREAT!!

I REALLY HATE POKEMON! · 05-27-2008, 08:06 AM

Melee was the best fighting game ever. I was a master at the game. I had it down to a math, really... This "Brawl" is awesome but for each pro, I find 2 cons. It feels much less hardcore, though still a near perfect game.

**Booyakasha** · 05-27-2008, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by VWF_champion

And if you're turned on by that picture, seek help NOW.

Hey, is it my fault they made Jigglypuff so sexy?

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YOU ARE MY FRIENDS JESUS SAID Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: ON A FRIENDSHIP TREK (Panfan) Gender: Posts: 11,161 Thanks: 481 Thanked 841 Times in 602 Posts Blog Entries: 12 Points: 4,131.01 Bank: 21,897.47 Total Points: 26,028.48 Donate	I kinda see your point. I still think it's still kinda ridiculous, but that's my opinion. And like Auron (that's Auron, right?) I don't really have interest in Smash tournaments because of stuff like that, and all the rules. I just play for fun. __________________ L2R: Alex, Max, Bitch, Ethan, I'm not sure she has a name.

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Irby Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada, Eh. Gender: Posts: 6,448 Thanks: 306 Thanked 93 Times in 78 Posts Blog Entries: 5 Points: 37,663.60 Bank: 13,655.09 Total Points: 51,318.69 Donate	Brawl.

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Ike Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I don't know. Where do I live? Gender: Posts: 5,648 Thanks: 7 Thanked 158 Times in 111 Posts Points: 6,521.39 Bank: 185,327.42 Total Points: 191,848.81 Donate	This is kind of why I avoid this tournament crap. Too many people get overly defensive about everything and it's just not fun to play anymore. Generally I fair pretty well in tournaments, but far too m any people take them too seriously. That being said, I haven't spent enough time with Brawl yet to determine whether I prefer it over Melee yet, but I am leaning towards Brawl.

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Medli Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Dragon Roost Island Gender: Posts: 26 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 469.45 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 469.45 Donate	I'm going to have to saw Brawl. There is just so much you can do plus all of the new characters that you can be. It's GREAT!!