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SilverWind · 01-31-2005, 07:10 PM

I believe what L2000 tried to stress is that there are two main kinds of sex education-- the 'abstinence' group whose main intent is to notify (oftentimes 'shock' is more appropriate) teens about the dangers of intercourse, and the 'safe sex' group that acknowledges some teens will go on having sex anyways, and focus on informing about how to do so safely.

To me, maturity is the main issue to address. Yes, it's a given that a large number of teenagers are NOT mature enough to understand what they are doing. However, that's not to say that there aren't those who do. Maturity comes at different ages for everyone-- in fact, I'd be pretty happy if plenty of people above their teenage years gave the abstinence thing a shot.

Being safely educated is important. The risks of intercourse can be lessened greatly with a combination of methods, such as using condoms in tandem with the pill (what is that, 98%, 99% effective?), depo-provera, etc. Married adults who don't want children at the present do all of these things, and I don't see why an educated youth wouldn't be able to understand these methods. Of course, there's also the 'day after' pill, and other abortive techniques, but I'm sure no matter what our stance is on these things we'd all prefer that these techniques be lessened greatly in their usage.

The final important thing is of course the stability of one's relationship, and the character of your partner. Do you really love each other? Are you really in a committed relationship? Then really, coupled with maturity and education, I don't see why not.

And... condoms as being excuses? Come on, guys, this is the 21st century. Yes, condoms are used to prevent STIs and to have pleasurable sex without becoming pregnant. Pleasure is good. Having sex to reproduce is what our bodies are made to do, but we have feelings and logic and other qualities that transcend our basic evolutionary/reproductive purposes. That's why we read, we play video games, and we engage in other more risky but feel-good activities.

...With that being said, I suppose it sounds silly that I personally would choose to abstain from intercourse until a later date in life. Of course, there are other sexual and non-sexual activities one can engage in in the meantime with a partner... [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Bomby von FACEville · 01-31-2005, 07:22 PM

I hope all you anti-condom people enjoy your syphillis.

Face it: people are gonna have sex, might as well have safer sex. The idea of being "against condoms" is completely ludicrous, irresponsible, and insensitive. Condoms aren't 100% effective, but if they can reduce the spread of STD's (I refuse to call them STI's, so back off, lanugage Nazis) then they can only do good.

Promiscuity is a reality. You can be a fool and ignore it because of your morals, or you can be realistic and try and solve the problems it creates.

[ January 31, 2005, 06:30 PM: Message edited by: Curb Servin' ]

The Joker · 01-31-2005, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Luigi007. Very original.:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by I'm Comin' For That #1 Spot:
If I ever have a baby by accident, I WILL be there for that baby and be a real father.

Andre, that's basically what others have said. Not all of them keep their word, though. Once they find out it IS true, many teen fathers make as many excuses to not be involved at all. I'm not saying all of them, though. I'm sure there are a few who stood by their side, because the baby is the parents' responsibility. Course, that's only a few. [/quote]Actually if you look at the statistics that the ACC (Agencey for Child Care) issue bi-monthly. Nearly 85% of all unplanned pregnancies involve both parents taking some form of responsibility, be it financial or otherwise. So the fathers that don't stick with the kid is actually the less likely choice being made by todays parents.

The problem is, that you never hear about the fathers that stayed and took the responsibility like a Real Man. We always here about the Fathers that ran and hid from it, so by word of mouth it makes sense to think that the majority of teen age fathers don't step up to the plate.

I had my first sexual experience at 17 and had my first child shortly before I graduated from College. Teen sex should be determined by the individuals. Obviously some teens still play with their action figures while others are driving cars and going to clubs. So as long as their life styles and maturity level can help them cope with the rammifications of having sex early on, then i say GO BALLS DEEP PEOPLE !!

**L007 is Undecided** · 01-31-2005, 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Curb Servin':
I hope all you anti-condom people enjoy your syphillis.

Face it: people are gonna have sex, might as well have safer sex. The idea of being "against condoms" is completely ludicrous, irresponsible, and insensitive. Condoms aren't 100% effective, but if they can reduce the spread of STD's (I refuse to call them STI's, so back off, lanugage Nazis) then they can only do good.

Promiscuity is a reality. You can be a fool and ignore it because of your morals, or you can be realistic and try and solve the problems it creates.

You didn't even read any of the posts saying why we oppose condoms, did you?

Quote:

Originally posted by SilverWind:
And... condoms as being excuses? Come on, guys, this is the 21st century. Yes, condoms are used to prevent STIs and to have pleasurable sex without becoming pregnant. Pleasure is good. Having sex to reproduce is what our bodies are made to do, but we have feelings and logic and other qualities that transcend our basic evolutionary/reproductive purposes. That's why we read, we play video games, and we engage in other more risky but feel-good activities.

Pleasure can be of different types. Good and bad, mainly. Sex just for pleasure is just immoral, whether or not you believe in God. Well, if you want to have a child, sex will pleasure the two... because they'll both go through living hell >_>

ocarinagirl · 01-31-2005, 09:33 PM

^If you get rid of all the condoms and other forms of birth control in the entire world, people will still have sex. Teen sex didn't start because of birth control. If anything, the reverse is quite true.

Sex is a veeeeeeery powerful urge. The average teen isn't going to be strong enough to resist that urge just because you got rid of any methods of birth control. Wake the **** up, please.

The Missing Link · 01-31-2005, 09:59 PM

^ I wouldn't call it immoral. However, I think doing anything just for the sake of being curious without putting a hell of a lot of thought into it is absolutely dumb.

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SilverWind · 01-31-2005, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Pleasure can be of different types. Good and bad, mainly. Sex just for pleasure is just immoral, whether or not you believe in God. Well, if you want to have a child, sex will pleasure the two... because they'll both go through living hell >_>

I ask you for your reasoning on why having sex for pleasure is immoral. Why is it immoral, and (since you'll be explaining us this) to what degree is it immoral, in comparison to other immoral acts?

It totally defies me in logic how a pleasurable, consentual act between individuals --and now you're no longer even targeting teens but all people-- where no one else is involved, much less hurt, can be immoral. Sure, there are risks in having sex, in some cases more than others, but I fail to see why it's wrong.

...And at this moment I must admit that I'm laughing and can't help it. [img]graemlins/lol.gif[/img]

Curly Brace · 01-31-2005, 10:42 PM

Usually, it’s a base with religion. Of course, since everyone has different religion, or doesn't follow it by heart, that's why arguments risen.

In both ways, teen sex is viewed as oppose or for. A lot of people oppose it either because God said that bond is suppose to be very special, or that the risk of pregnancy or STD. Others are for it because they are curious and never felt pleasure in that sort of form.

It’s a battle that can be wrong and hard to shoot down. It’s also known that you can’t stop teens from sexual intercourse, but people want to stop and educate the young tweens who are about to enter puberty, so those dangers can die down, and they can follow it by heart.

imported_Andrew · 01-31-2005, 10:48 PM

In high school, I think it's wrong 99 percent of the time since we're all dumb ****s at that age. Unfortuantely, peer pressure is highest at this stage.

**L007 is Undecided** · 01-31-2005, 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SilverWind:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Pleasure can be of different types. Good and bad, mainly. Sex just for pleasure is just immoral, whether or not you believe in God. Well, if you want to have a child, sex will pleasure the two... because they'll both go through living hell >_>

I ask you for your reasoning on why having sex for pleasure is immoral. Why is it immoral, and (since you'll be explaining us this) to what degree is it immoral, in comparison to other immoral acts? [/quote]I guess I didn't specify >_> I meant teen sex is basically immoral.

And by that, I mean that it can usually mean that it is not truely true love. This has been said before, but teens are often inexperienced on love. Very confused, they soon want to satisfy their burning passion for sexual desire. Some even just using another.

Erdawn Il Deus · 01-31-2005, 11:13 PM

Immorality is underrated.

Two words:

Oral. Sex.

Hopefully it'll keep you outta trouble and keep ya from exploding.

Sen. Brak Obama (FACE) · 01-31-2005, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Sex is a veeeeeeery powerful urge. The average teen isn't going to be strong enough to resist that urge just because you got rid of any methods of birth control. Wake the **** up, please.

About smartest comic of the whole topic

ocarinagirl · 01-31-2005, 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Those Pale Blue Eyes:
Oral. Sex.

I refuse to place someone's penis into my mouth.

kthxbi [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Sen. Brak Obama (FACE) · 01-31-2005, 11:25 PM

^ You may not, but there are plenty of women that do. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Curly Brace · 02-01-2005, 05:33 PM

O____O;;; Oooo...kkkaaaayyyyyyyyyyy.....

Viceroy Nute Gunray · 02-01-2005, 05:50 PM

Silvy brings up good points. There's no wrong with sexual pleasure; it's pretty much an instinct, but you have to be responsible and know when you're ready for the risks, if they so happen. No one knows when you are mature enough except you, and a lot of teens just aren't ready. I may not be ready for another few years, who knows?

Link2000 · 02-01-2005, 10:52 PM

L007, did you just completely miss the point of my post? Since we started educating abotu condoms, pregnecies have shot way down. An abstinice plan simply doesn't work.

How the hell is it immoral? Because society has placed a huge taboo on it? Please, don't give me anymore bull****.

Sen. Brak Obama (FACE) · 02-01-2005, 10:58 PM

Here's a bull, it will make the **** itself.

SilverWind · 02-02-2005, 05:33 AM

Please stay on topic. ^_~

Quote:

Originally posted by Luigi007. Very original.:
I guess I didn't specify >_> I meant teen sex is basically immoral.

And by that, I mean that it can usually mean that it is not truely true love. This has been said before, but teens are often inexperienced on love. Very confused, they soon want to satisfy their burning passion for sexual desire. Some even just using another. [/QB]

Teen sex isn't basically immoral; though in some cases teens may be using each other just for sex, that quality (the abuse of a relationship, for instance) is the immoral part (to some), not the fact that the lovers are teens. To clarify this, plenty of adults do the same thing (friends 'with benefits' do not in any way end with adolesence). There are many situations where love is the motivator that makes youths want to share themselves with their partner... and misguided as that may be in some (most?) cases, I see nothing intrinsically immoral about it.

Serial Miller · 02-02-2005, 07:29 AM

Like I said before, you can talk about what it personally means to you. That's about it. Arguing is only going to push people away. It's not like you have the ability to say you know what's best for someone else, anyway. I'm 21 and I've been sexually involved since I was 15/16. I'm no less of a person for it, and if you are to suggest as much as shame you will only lose credibility with me. Pleasure is pleasure, and is very powerful driven by emotion. I'd like to hear the opinions of the 13 year olds in ten years after they've experienced a deep and understanding love. Most of them only know the outward symptoms, and know nothing of the inner drive.

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01-31-2005, 10:42 PM	#48
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01-31-2005, 11:25 PM	#54
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02-01-2005, 05:33 PM	#55
Curly Brace THE ALL AROUND YUMMIEST. Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Maryland Gender: Posts: 5,774 Thanks: 127 Thanked 116 Times in 82 Posts Points: 14,370.93 Bank: 37,251.94 Total Points: 51,622.88 Donate	O____O;;; Oooo...kkkaaaayyyyyyyyyyy..... __________________ WHAT HAS SCIENCE DONE?!

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01-31-2005, 07:10 PM	#41
SilverWind Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Looking up at the stars... Posts: 8,225 Thanks: 2 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts Points: 12,296.24 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 12,796.24 Donate	I believe what L2000 tried to stress is that there are two main kinds of sex education-- the 'abstinence' group whose main intent is to notify (oftentimes 'shock' is more appropriate) teens about the dangers of intercourse, and the 'safe sex' group that acknowledges some teens will go on having sex anyways, and focus on informing about how to do so safely. To me, maturity is the main issue to address. Yes, it's a given that a large number of teenagers are NOT mature enough to understand what they are doing. However, that's not to say that there aren't those who do. Maturity comes at different ages for everyone-- in fact, I'd be pretty happy if plenty of people above their teenage years gave the abstinence thing a shot. Being safely educated is important. The risks of intercourse can be lessened greatly with a combination of methods, such as using condoms in tandem with the pill (what is that, 98%, 99% effective?), depo-provera, etc. Married adults who don't want children at the present do all of these things, and I don't see why an educated youth wouldn't be able to understand these methods. Of course, there's also the 'day after' pill, and other abortive techniques, but I'm sure no matter what our stance is on these things we'd all prefer that these techniques be lessened greatly in their usage. The final important thing is of course the stability of one's relationship, and the character of your partner. Do you really love each other? Are you really in a committed relationship? Then really, coupled with maturity and education, I don't see why not. And... condoms as being excuses? Come on, guys, this is the 21st century. Yes, condoms are used to prevent STIs and to have pleasurable sex without becoming pregnant. Pleasure is good. Having sex to reproduce is what our bodies are made to do, but we have feelings and logic and other qualities that transcend our basic evolutionary/reproductive purposes. That's why we read, we play video games, and we engage in other more risky but feel-good activities. ...With that being said, I suppose it sounds silly that I personally would choose to abstain from intercourse until a later date in life. Of course, there are other sexual and non-sexual activities one can engage in in the meantime with a partner... [img]tongue.gif[/img]

01-31-2005, 07:22 PM	#42
Bomby von FACEville VGF's Unsung Hero Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Mad City, WI Gender: Posts: 14,316 Thanks: 188 Thanked 415 Times in 294 Posts Blog Entries: 3 Points: 1,271.35 Bank: 1,650,935.26 Total Points: 1,652,206.62 Donate	I hope all you anti-condom people enjoy your syphillis. Face it: people are gonna have sex, might as well have safer sex. The idea of being "against condoms" is completely ludicrous, irresponsible, and insensitive. Condoms aren't 100% effective, but if they can reduce the spread of STD's (I refuse to call them STI's, so back off, lanugage Nazis) then they can only do good. Promiscuity is a reality. You can be a fool and ignore it because of your morals, or you can be realistic and try and solve the problems it creates. [ January 31, 2005, 06:30 PM: Message edited by: Curb Servin' ]

01-31-2005, 09:33 PM	#45
ocarinagirl Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Ehhh? What? Where am I?! Gender: Posts: 3,010 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 7,692.83 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 8,192.83 Donate	^If you get rid of all the condoms and other forms of birth control in the entire world, people will still have sex. Teen sex didn't start because of birth control. If anything, the reverse is quite true. Sex is a veeeeeeery powerful urge. The average teen isn't going to be strong enough to resist that urge just because you got rid of any methods of birth control. Wake the **** up, please.

01-31-2005, 09:59 PM	#46
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01-31-2005, 10:48 PM	#49
imported_Andrew Banned Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 7,838.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 8,338.00 Donate	In high school, I think it's wrong 99 percent of the time since we're all dumb ****s at that age. Unfortuantely, peer pressure is highest at this stage.

01-31-2005, 11:13 PM	#51
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02-01-2005, 05:50 PM	#56
Viceroy Nute Gunray Fallen Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: new york Gender: Posts: 35,826 Thanks: 188 Thanked 129 Times in 92 Posts Points: 84,044.99 Bank: 38,699.14 Total Points: 122,744.13 Donate	Silvy brings up good points. There's no wrong with sexual pleasure; it's pretty much an instinct, but you have to be responsible and know when you're ready for the risks, if they so happen. No one knows when you are mature enough except you, and a lot of teens just aren't ready. I may not be ready for another few years, who knows?

02-01-2005, 10:52 PM	#57
Link2000 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Ontario, Canada Gender: Posts: 8,052 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 15,481.15 Bank: 804.22 Total Points: 16,285.37 Donate	L007, did you just completely miss the point of my post? Since we started educating abotu condoms, pregnecies have shot way down. An abstinice plan simply doesn't work. How the hell is it immoral? Because society has placed a huge taboo on it? Please, don't give me anymore bull****.

02-02-2005, 07:29 AM	#60
Serial Miller Retro Nintendo Supermod Art & Literature Mod Metroid Mod Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I rub my tilde all over your asterisk Gender: Posts: 15,679 Thanks: 416 Thanked 1,046 Times in 585 Posts Points: 14,140.59 Bank: 1,556,398.07 Total Points: 1,570,538.65 Donate	Like I said before, you can talk about what it personally means to you. That's about it. Arguing is only going to push people away. It's not like you have the ability to say you know what's best for someone else, anyway. I'm 21 and I've been sexually involved since I was 15/16. I'm no less of a person for it, and if you are to suggest as much as shame you will only lose credibility with me. Pleasure is pleasure, and is very powerful driven by emotion. I'd like to hear the opinions of the 13 year olds in ten years after they've experienced a deep and understanding love. Most of them only know the outward symptoms, and know nothing of the inner drive.