When does a Nintendo game transcend to retro

ROBERT2011 · 02-12-2009, 02:28 PM

After 10 years or when the graphics are noticably obsolete?

I am nobody · 02-12-2009, 02:40 PM

If you used the second standard, all Wii games would be retro.

Chaos Deviot · 02-12-2009, 05:42 PM

When it's two systems lower than the highest one. Hence, N64 to lower and GBC to lower is retro. Well, that's how I see it.

Jailbreaker · 02-12-2009, 08:47 PM

I think three or four systems lower is a better fit. N64 doesn't strike me as retro.

Stanley the Bugman · 02-12-2009, 10:10 PM

I'd say after a game is about 10 years old. Super Mario 64, Oot, and the like seem kinda retro to me.

Panfan · 02-12-2009, 10:14 PM

SNES was retro in the GC era, N64 should be retro in the Wii era.

heh · 02-12-2009, 11:19 PM

if its two home console lives ago its retro as far as i'm concerned

**Valigarmander** · 02-12-2009, 11:53 PM

It's all based on personal opinion.

I mean, I still barely consider some SNES games retro.

***Cosmonautical*** · 02-13-2009, 08:06 AM

The N64 and back can be considered retro for the purposes of this forum.

Speed · 02-13-2009, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by I am nobody

If you used the second standard, all Wii games would be retro.

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I am nobody · 02-13-2009, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Ω E-123

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Crysis

Fallout 3

Metroid Prime 3.

Sorry, but it's pretty much undeniable that the Wii's graphic capability is far behind 360/PS3 and high level PCs. It may have an edge elsewhere, but certainly not here.

Luigi Pwns All · 02-13-2009, 04:38 PM

Wii graphics are not that bad,and I think early N64 and back is retro.

I am nobody · 02-13-2009, 04:54 PM

They may or may not be bad, but they are "noticeably obsolete", which is the standard I was referring to in my original post.

Robotazy · 02-13-2009, 11:34 PM

Don't start a graphics debate.

***Saria Dragon of the Rain Wilds*** · 02-14-2009, 12:01 AM

Graphical standards don't come into it at all. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise (is MM9 retro? it is a brand new game, after all).

btw, I really need to be neurotic here: "obsolete" isn't the word you want, either.

**Loot** · 02-14-2009, 06:54 AM

I REFUSE to believe that the N64 and Game Boy Color are retro. At all.

I am nobody · 02-14-2009, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Saria Dragon of the Rain Wilds

Graphical standards don't come into it at all. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise (is MM9 retro? it is a brand new game, after all).

btw, I really need to be neurotic here: "obsolete" isn't the word you want, either.

That was my point in my first post.The question was whether a game became retro after two generations or after its graphics were "noticeably obsolete".

***Booyakasha*** · 02-14-2009, 09:09 AM

It's probably safe to say anything two or more generations back is retro. Though I also think it depends a little on the game, to be honest. Some games are born retro. You'd hardly think 'Metal Slug 6' was released just three years ago, going by its sprite-based visuals and hard-as-nails gameplay.

***Cosmonautical*** · 02-15-2009, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by I am nobody

screenshot fest

those are awfully particular shots, there, considering crysis will run like **** on an affordable computer

Why not post up something for the Wii like The Conduit, considering it actually implements more modern effects?

How about Red Steel?

Or Oblivion on the 360?

You know a close-up screen of Samus pointed down at the floor isn't the best MP3 has to offer. Here you are, showing off landscape and active objects in the other 2 shots, and Metroid gets a shot at the floor?

Those are still dodgy shots, but that's a bit more comparable.

Now, every game gets its good screenshots. If you walk right up to a wall in Halo 3 and plant your face firmly against the texture, it's not going to be beautiful by any means. In addition to that, if you want to make an argument for a system's graphical capacity, don't use a game that runs on the same engine as the prior GCN titles in the series.

Unfortunately for the Wii, I have to say it hasn't been given a fair shake. Considering graphical detail, though, games like Crysis aren't nearly as expertly rendered as far as artistry is considered when compared to MP3. When people coo over MP3's visuals, it's because they have wrought something beautiful - not because of the game's graphical engine.

**Valigarmander** · 02-15-2009, 01:06 AM

I never really noticed any inferiority in the Wii's graphics until someone pointed it out to me.

I was too bust paying attention to, you know, the game.

02-12-2009, 02:28 PM	#1
ROBERT2011 Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A magical place Gender: Posts: 1,139 Thanks: 29 Thanked 42 Times in 24 Posts	When does a Nintendo game transcend to retro After 10 years or when the graphics are noticably obsolete?

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I am nobody Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Over there. Gender: Posts: 5,515 Thanks: 309 Thanked 365 Times in 242 Posts Blog Entries: 7	If you used the second standard, all Wii games would be retro.

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Chaos Deviot The Betrayer Join Date: May 2004 Location: Mt. Moon Gender: Posts: 1,813 Thanks: 171 Thanked 52 Times in 49 Posts Blog Entries: 1	When it's two systems lower than the highest one. Hence, N64 to lower and GBC to lower is retro. Well, that's how I see it.

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Jailbreaker Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Not in jail anymore, yay! Gender: Posts: 3,482 Thanks: 1,074 Thanked 185 Times in 118 Posts	I think three or four systems lower is a better fit. N64 doesn't strike me as retro.

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Stanley the Bugman Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: A Greenhouse Gender: Posts: 1,656 Thanks: 19 Thanked 14 Times in 13 Posts	I'd say after a game is about 10 years old. Super Mario 64, Oot, and the like seem kinda retro to me.

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Panfan AND HE PRAYS Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Grayskull Gender: Posts: 18,806 Thanks: 1,405 Thanked 2,251 Times in 1,339 Posts Blog Entries: 15	SNES was retro in the GC era, N64 should be retro in the Wii era.

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heh Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: lo-ca-tion; Noun- 1. a place or situation occupied: That house is in a fine location Gender: Posts: 9,849 Thanks: 710 Thanked 955 Times in 628 Posts	if its two home console lives ago its retro as far as i'm concerned

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Valigarmander The Bee's Knees Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The land of rain and trees (Oregon) Gender: Posts: 29,755 Thanks: 1,649 Thanked 5,701 Times in 2,581 Posts Blog Entries: 20	It's all based on personal opinion. I mean, I still barely consider some SNES games retro.

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*Cosmonautical* Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I rub my tilde all over your asterisk Gender: Posts: 28,100 Thanks: 2,156 Thanked 5,338 Times in 2,433 Posts	The N64 and back can be considered retro for the purposes of this forum.

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Luigi Pwns All Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: IN YOUR EYE SOCKETS. Gender: Posts: 546 Thanks: 30 Thanked 20 Times in 18 Posts	Wii graphics are not that bad,and I think early N64 and back is retro.

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I am nobody Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Over there. Gender: Posts: 5,515 Thanks: 309 Thanked 365 Times in 242 Posts Blog Entries: 7	They may or may not be bad, but they are "noticeably obsolete", which is the standard I was referring to in my original post.

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Robotazy PRESS ANY KEY TO PANIC! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: A Tiny Shed Gender: Posts: 16,483 Thanks: 529 Thanked 1,254 Times in 897 Posts Blog Entries: 46	Don't start a graphics debate.

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*Saria Dragon of the Rain Wilds* Admin "mine.. not yours. NO. MINE." Epic Ladynerd Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Forteresse de Valois Gender: Posts: 28,504 Thanks: 1,658 Thanked 1,820 Times in 1,042 Posts	Graphical standards don't come into it at all. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise (is MM9 retro? it is a brand new game, after all). btw, I really need to be neurotic here: "obsolete" isn't the word you want, either.

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Loot Apparently I'm a mod? Join Date: May 2001 Location: LEGITIMATE BUSINESS Gender: Posts: 13,208 Thanks: 236 Thanked 1,237 Times in 659 Posts	I REFUSE to believe that the N64 and Game Boy Color are retro. At all.

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*Booyakasha* SuperMod of War Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Wisconsinland Gender: Posts: 9,945 Thanks: 157 Thanked 1,481 Times in 763 Posts	It's probably safe to say anything two or more generations back is retro. Though I also think it depends a little on the game, to be honest. Some games are born retro. You'd hardly think 'Metal Slug 6' was released just three years ago, going by its sprite-based visuals and hard-as-nails gameplay.

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Valigarmander The Bee's Knees Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The land of rain and trees (Oregon) Gender: Posts: 29,755 Thanks: 1,649 Thanked 5,701 Times in 2,581 Posts Blog Entries: 20	I never really noticed any inferiority in the Wii's graphics until someone pointed it out to me. I was too bust paying attention to, you know, the game.