FF12 Question - Page 2

ZeldaGirl · 10-26-2008, 04:56 PM

^Stereotypes? How?

I'd say more 'archetypes' (less negative connotation), but most characters ARE archetypes; it's the way that they are fleshed out that makes them unique, rather. Most FF games have formulaic ways of creating characters, but most have a few things that make them individual from the rest.

Rainbow Dash · 10-26-2008, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SERIOUS MAFIA PRO

they like boring jrpgs

hello mr. croshaw how are you today

**Crazyswordsman** · 10-26-2008, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeldaGirl

^Stereotypes? How?

I'd say more 'archetypes' (less negative connotation), but most characters ARE archetypes; it's the way that they are fleshed out that makes them unique, rather. Most FF games have formulaic ways of creating characters, but most have a few things that make them individual from the rest.

A lot of the characters from FFX, and I've said this before, seem very much like characters from Breath of Fire II, as does the plot.

And I just don't like archtypes. The cold, reserved girl, the knowledgeable guru, the bubbly ditz, it seems every game has them. I like characters that are more original, and to a lesser extent, are funny, or are characters who seem to turn on you and become an enemy or an ally. -CSM

Rainbow Dash · 10-26-2008, 08:32 PM

I don't think it's possible for there to NOT be archetypes anymore.

heh · 10-26-2008, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Chunky Kong12345

I don't think it's possible for there to NOT be archetypes anymore.

you can have really cool spins on archtypes tho

**Crazyswordsman** · 10-26-2008, 09:08 PM

Or, you could just do what Itoi-san did and take RPGs in a completely different direction. -CSM

**Valigarmander** · 10-26-2008, 09:18 PM

This neat graph shows why many people don't like many newer Final Fantasies.

**Crazyswordsman** · 10-26-2008, 11:01 PM

^To be fair to Vaan, by FFTA2 he gets into an outfit that isn't, well, effeminate. -CSM

Perrin Aybara · 10-27-2008, 12:48 AM

And even still, Vaan still sucks.-jay

Tonberry2k · 10-27-2008, 02:30 AM

Needs more zippers.

Robotazy · 10-27-2008, 09:26 AM

You forgot the fema-

....

damn it.

**Crazyswordsman** · 11-10-2008, 11:56 PM

On a more serious note.

I finally beat stupid Zodiark and his stupid Darkja which stupidly insta-KOs the party. -CSM

ZeldaGirl · 11-11-2008, 02:10 AM

^I remember him. Yeah, he took me a while to beat too... :/

heh · 11-11-2008, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Crazyswordsman

On a more serious note.

I finally beat stupid Zodiark and his stupid Darkja which stupidly insta-KOs the party. -CSM

i'm pretty sure this entire topic was serious.

**X-3** · 11-11-2008, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Perrin Aybara

And even still, Vaan still sucks.-jay

Ditto. By the time you get him on your party, your team is probably many levels above him.

**Crazyswordsman** · 11-11-2008, 10:54 PM

Hell Wyrm was the opposite of Zodiark. While Zodiark was hard but short, Hell Wyrm was easy but long as hell (bad pun intended) (Stop immunity + usual gambits = you win this fight). -CSM

ZeldaGirl · 11-12-2008, 01:22 AM

Hell Wyrm = fine.

Yiazmat, however... >_>

**Crazyswordsman** · 11-12-2008, 10:11 PM

^I'm gonna take a break until I have some time, then I'm gonna do a run at Omega (I don't want to even THINK about the Great Crystal unless I have at least five hours to spare, which won't be for a long time considering my jam-packed schedule). After I beat Omega, I'm gonna try Yiazmat. Hell Wyrm took about 45 minutes, so I'm expecting about 6+ hours for Yiazmat. I'm gonna need an entire weekend for Yiazmat. -CSM

**X-3** · 11-12-2008, 10:22 PM

Wait...secret bosses in 12 take that long?

That's...pretty damn awesome, I suppose. Depends on which way you look at it.

**Crazyswordsman** · 11-12-2008, 10:28 PM

1 million, 8 million, and 52 million HP for Omega, Hell Wyrm, and Yiazmat respectively (actually Hell Wyrm has about 170k HP but has like about 50 lives or something (he loses a life when he loses all his HP and I think when he loses a life you can save and reset and you can go back and he won't have his lost lives back, but I didn't have to do this). -CSM

10-26-2008, 09:18 PM	#27
Valigarmander The Bee's Knees Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The land of rain and trees (Oregon) Gender: Posts: 29,223 Thanks: 1,611 Thanked 5,553 Times in 2,499 Posts Blog Entries: 18	This neat graph shows why many people don't like many newer Final Fantasies. __________________

10-27-2008, 09:26 AM	#31
Robotazy PRESS ANY KEY TO PANIC! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: A Tiny Shed Gender: Posts: 16,284 Thanks: 521 Thanked 1,238 Times in 885 Posts Blog Entries: 43	I see what you did there. You forgot the fema- .... damn it.

10-26-2008, 04:56 PM	#21
ZeldaGirl Awesome member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Why do YOU want to know...? Gender: Posts: 15,877 Thanks: 1,121 Thanked 1,902 Times in 1,040 Posts	^Stereotypes? How? I'd say more 'archetypes' (less negative connotation), but most characters ARE archetypes; it's the way that they are fleshed out that makes them unique, rather. Most FF games have formulaic ways of creating characters, but most have a few things that make them individual from the rest.

10-26-2008, 08:32 PM	#24
Rainbow Dash been dreamin', i've been waitin' Join Date: Jan 2001 Gender: Posts: 23,789 Thanks: 168 Thanked 1,120 Times in 677 Posts	I don't think it's possible for there to NOT be archetypes anymore.

10-26-2008, 09:08 PM	#26
Crazyswordsman This key doesn't work. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 10,748 Thanks: 1,000 Thanked 683 Times in 464 Posts	Or, you could just do what Itoi-san did and take RPGs in a completely different direction. -CSM

10-26-2008, 11:01 PM	#28
Crazyswordsman This key doesn't work. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 10,748 Thanks: 1,000 Thanked 683 Times in 464 Posts	^To be fair to Vaan, by FFTA2 he gets into an outfit that isn't, well, effeminate. -CSM

10-27-2008, 12:48 AM	#29
Perrin Aybara Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 1999 Location: Alone....so terribly alone... Some... where... out... there... dies Gender: Posts: 12,760 Thanks: 194 Thanked 504 Times in 235 Posts	And even still, Vaan still sucks.-jay

10-27-2008, 02:30 AM	#30
Tonberry2k Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Pensacola, FL alternatively, The Spriters' Resource Gender: Posts: 5,311 Thanks: 10 Thanked 17 Times in 15 Posts	Needs more zippers.

11-10-2008, 11:56 PM	#32
Crazyswordsman This key doesn't work. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 10,748 Thanks: 1,000 Thanked 683 Times in 464 Posts	On a more serious note. I finally beat stupid Zodiark and his stupid Darkja which stupidly insta-KOs the party. -CSM

11-11-2008, 02:10 AM	#33
ZeldaGirl Awesome member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Why do YOU want to know...? Gender: Posts: 15,877 Thanks: 1,121 Thanked 1,902 Times in 1,040 Posts	^I remember him. Yeah, he took me a while to beat too... :/

11-11-2008, 10:54 PM	#36
Crazyswordsman This key doesn't work. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 10,748 Thanks: 1,000 Thanked 683 Times in 464 Posts	Hell Wyrm was the opposite of Zodiark. While Zodiark was hard but short, Hell Wyrm was easy but long as hell (bad pun intended) (Stop immunity + usual gambits = you win this fight). -CSM

11-12-2008, 01:22 AM	#37
ZeldaGirl Awesome member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Why do YOU want to know...? Gender: Posts: 15,877 Thanks: 1,121 Thanked 1,902 Times in 1,040 Posts	Hell Wyrm = fine. Yiazmat, however... >_>

11-12-2008, 10:11 PM	#38
Crazyswordsman This key doesn't work. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 10,748 Thanks: 1,000 Thanked 683 Times in 464 Posts	^I'm gonna take a break until I have some time, then I'm gonna do a run at Omega (I don't want to even THINK about the Great Crystal unless I have at least five hours to spare, which won't be for a long time considering my jam-packed schedule). After I beat Omega, I'm gonna try Yiazmat. Hell Wyrm took about 45 minutes, so I'm expecting about 6+ hours for Yiazmat. I'm gonna need an entire weekend for Yiazmat. -CSM

11-12-2008, 10:22 PM	#39
X-3 No avatar, no justice, no dreams, no hope! Join Date: Jan 2004 Gender: Posts: 15,508 Thanks: 732 Thanked 1,158 Times in 751 Posts Blog Entries: 10	Wait...secret bosses in 12 take that long? That's...pretty damn awesome, I suppose. Depends on which way you look at it.

11-12-2008, 10:28 PM	#40
Crazyswordsman This key doesn't work. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 10,748 Thanks: 1,000 Thanked 683 Times in 464 Posts	1 million, 8 million, and 52 million HP for Omega, Hell Wyrm, and Yiazmat respectively (actually Hell Wyrm has about 170k HP but has like about 50 lives or something (he loses a life when he loses all his HP and I think when he loses a life you can save and reset and you can go back and he won't have his lost lives back, but I didn't have to do this). -CSM