Say goodbye to any hopes of Earthbound on the Virtual Console - Page 2

PK FIRE! · 02-21-2009, 06:33 PM

Heh makes me wish the ironry of the infamus "Kill all the lawyers" line was much less apprent. I myself have a great deal of respect for the criminal justice system, yet tort reform and civil cases make my head hurt with the rampent stupidity that's become so intwined with them. "Thank you for Smoking" has become my favoret movie because of this.

- You stupid dog!

**Crazyswordsman** · 02-21-2009, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Sim Kid

Wait...don't they think some of the songs sound like a Monty Python theme? Isn't that public domain?

It IS. Like I said, the whole thing is effing ridiculous.

The criminal justice system is a wonderful thing (even though it's flawed), but the whole issue with all these frivolous lawsuits just to make money is ridiculous, and that's what copyright law has become. -CSM

Kargath · 02-21-2009, 09:21 PM

I would say it's the fault of Ape and HAL Laboratory. They should have made their soundtrack wholly original instead of stuffing it full of covers without permission.

**Crazyswordsman** · 02-22-2009, 11:02 AM

^Most of it is more references than samples. Using Tomato's logic I could call out Chrono Trigger's soundtrack. Ayla's theme sounds a lot like a Tom Jones song, and I don't think I need to tell you what Robo's theme sounds like. Yet that got a DS rerelease. It's the same thing here.

Like I said, our best hope is to join the crusade against frivolous lawsuits. Let the EFF know about stuff like this, or study law and start a career in protecting gamers' rights (of course I doubt that would help the economy much, considering lawyers in general don't). -CSM

1-up Salesman · 02-22-2009, 04:43 PM

That really, really sucks. But at least there's still emulators, and then you don't even have to pay for it. But still, that's really stupid.

**Crazyswordsman** · 02-22-2009, 06:36 PM

^Yes, emulation is an option. However, I only save it for VERY LAST RESORTS, because it's illegal (although there are gray, debated areas), you're losing part of the game's experience, and it's so easy to cheat. The only emulated game I downloaded since 2004 is Mother 3, and only because they never had (or will have) an official release, and only after I imported a legal copy of the game (which I have sitting in the plastic bag on my bookshelf). -CSM

Speed · 02-22-2009, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bomby

Copyright laws go way too far.

So please try to break them regularly.

*Emulates*

Seriosuly I don't know what NoA's problem is.

The game came out over a decade ago, Any lawsuits based on VC re-release are so ridicules it's not even funny.

Besides even if they did get hit by a lawsuit, there is a magic thing called the parody claus that nulls any claim of copyright infringement if it's for parody's sake.

1-up Salesman · 02-22-2009, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazyswordsman

^Yes, emulation is an option. However, I only save it for VERY LAST RESORTS, because it's illegal (although there are gray, debated areas), you're losing part of the game's experience, and it's so easy to cheat. The only emulated game I downloaded since 2004 is Mother 3, and only because they never had (or will have) an official release, and only after I imported a legal copy of the game (which I have sitting in the plastic bag on my bookshelf). -CSM

Yes, there's a small bit o' cheating in there. On my SNES emulator, you can save at any place. And actually, I like that. Heck, I have an NES emulator where you can rewind and fastforward.

Stanley the Bugman · 02-22-2009, 11:32 PM

Ugh. >_<

Yeah, I was definately dissapointed in hearing this news. I own a copy on the SNES, but I would have downloaded it on the VC just to show some support. It seems that the Mother series is destined never to go any further over on this side of the world... Hell, I think we were lucky just to get EarthBound...

**Crazyswordsman** · 02-24-2009, 10:37 PM

^I think we ALL would've downloaded it on the VC. In fact, I was planning on holding a contest on VGF for people who have yet to play the game, and the winners would get EB gifted to them from me. -CSM

Sim Kid · 02-24-2009, 10:58 PM

Or just Earthbound Zero. I'm sure a lot of people woudl have downloaded THAT considering that there actually was an english version.

**Valigarmander** · 02-24-2009, 11:01 PM

You know, by now I'm probably just going to play a rom (screw the law) to see what all the hype is about.

Jesus · 02-24-2009, 11:27 PM

Getting sued would be very dangerous. And you know there are stupid lawsuits so it's best not to risk it. It's like you going and rereleasing a greatest hits album of various musicstars and having one of the stars sue you because you didn't get permission to use their song. There are LOTS of pop culture references. One off the top of my head were the Blues Brothers. Another being the yo-yo. Only reason they didn't get sued before is because the game failed to garner large enough sales when it was first released in the US.

Of course we have to look to the fact that Starmen.net resources don't really give us any credibilty. Do you see legit sources for the article?

I REALLY HATE POKEMON! · 02-25-2009, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Sim Kid

Or just Earthbound Zero. I'm sure a lot of people woudl have downloaded THAT considering that there actually was an english version.

Yeah, what's their excuse for not releasing that gem?

**Crazyswordsman** · 02-25-2009, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus

Getting sued would be very dangerous. And you know there are stupid lawsuits so it's best not to risk it. It's like you going and rereleasing a greatest hits album of various musicstars and having one of the stars sue you because you didn't get permission to use their song. There are LOTS of pop culture references. One off the top of my head were the Blues Brothers. Another being the yo-yo. Only reason they didn't get sued before is because the game failed to garner large enough sales when it was first released in the US.

Of course we have to look to the fact that Starmen.net resources don't really give us any credibilty. Do you see legit sources for the article?

You can't get sued for referencing something. If you could that would violate freedom of speech. -CSM

Stanley the Bugman · 02-25-2009, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus

Getting sued would be very dangerous. And you know there are stupid lawsuits so it's best not to risk it. It's like you going and rereleasing a greatest hits album of various musicstars and having one of the stars sue you because you didn't get permission to use their song. There are LOTS of pop culture references. One off the top of my head were the Blues Brothers. Another being the yo-yo. Only reason they didn't get sued before is because the game failed to garner large enough sales when it was first released in the US.

Of course we have to look to the fact that Starmen.net resources don't really give us any credibilty. Do you see legit sources for the article?

I read somewhere, (I think it was at starmen.net) about all of the references the game makes, and to be honest with you, I don't think any of them are really lawsuit worthy... I mean, yeah, there's some quite obvious references, but nothing major that the game developers ripped off. Besides, in all reality, who the hell is gonna even notice the slight references a 14 year old SNES game that you have to download on the Wii's virtual console that is gonna sue Nintendo for anyway?

**Crazyswordsman** · 02-25-2009, 06:09 PM

And I honestly can't see how a Blues Brothers reference, or even a band that does the same style the Blues Brothers do, can warrant a lawsuit. It's not even fair use - nothing is being used! The only way that could warrant a lawsuit is if they actually called the band the Blues Brothers or if they used a Blues Brothers song or SNL skit in the game, neither of which is true (and the first isn't even copyright infringement - it's trademark infringement, which is something completely different.) -CSM

Jesus · 02-25-2009, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazyswordsman

You can't get sued for referencing something. If you could that would violate freedom of speech. -CSM

Family Guy got sued once because of spoofing a song from some random musical. I think it was the "wish I had a jew" song or whatever. I don't know if they won or not but it did cost them to hire some lawyers.

**Crazyswordsman** · 02-25-2009, 07:44 PM

^I don't think they got sued for infringement, and if they did, it was probably because the estate of the creators (it's a very old song, almost makes the Public Domain cutoff point) didn't want the song to be used in a manner that might be offensive to some. Still, I think Family Guy could get away with it in court considering it's parody (think of what Weird Al gets away with). -CSM

PK FIRE! · 02-25-2009, 08:41 PM

If you could get sued for simpaly refrencing stuff mankind wouldn't of had to deal with the likes of; "Date Movie", "Epic Movie", "Meet the Spartans", and the aptly titled "Disaster Movie"

Isn't there a statute of limitations on civil suits like there is for criminal cases? If so then shouldn't whoever would want to file a suit have had to file it back when Earthbound first came out?

Oh by the way when is the public domain cutoff point?

- You stupid dog!

02-24-2009, 11:01 PM	#32
Valigarmander The Bee's Knees Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The land of rain and trees (Oregon) Gender: Posts: 29,224 Thanks: 1,611 Thanked 5,553 Times in 2,499 Posts Blog Entries: 18	You know, by now I'm probably just going to play a rom (screw the law) to see what all the hype is about. __________________

02-21-2009, 06:33 PM	#21
PK FIRE! Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: On the run. Gender: Posts: 9,544 Thanks: 175 Thanked 150 Times in 120 Posts	Heh makes me wish the ironry of the infamus "Kill all the lawyers" line was much less apprent. I myself have a great deal of respect for the criminal justice system, yet tort reform and civil cases make my head hurt with the rampent stupidity that's become so intwined with them. "Thank you for Smoking" has become my favoret movie because of this. - You stupid dog!

02-21-2009, 09:21 PM	#23
Kargath Awesome member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: kargath64.deviantart.com Gender: Posts: 8,061 Thanks: 1,187 Thanked 729 Times in 458 Posts Blog Entries: 1	I would say it's the fault of Ape and HAL Laboratory. They should have made their soundtrack wholly original instead of stuffing it full of covers without permission.

02-22-2009, 11:02 AM	#24
Crazyswordsman This key doesn't work. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 10,748 Thanks: 1,000 Thanked 683 Times in 464 Posts	^Most of it is more references than samples. Using Tomato's logic I could call out Chrono Trigger's soundtrack. Ayla's theme sounds a lot like a Tom Jones song, and I don't think I need to tell you what Robo's theme sounds like. Yet that got a DS rerelease. It's the same thing here. Like I said, our best hope is to join the crusade against frivolous lawsuits. Let the EFF know about stuff like this, or study law and start a career in protecting gamers' rights (of course I doubt that would help the economy much, considering lawyers in general don't). -CSM

02-22-2009, 04:43 PM	#25
1-up Salesman Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Your bedroom. I love it here! Gender: Posts: 3,861 Thanks: 2,071 Thanked 228 Times in 180 Posts Blog Entries: 9	That really, really sucks. But at least there's still emulators, and then you don't even have to pay for it. But still, that's really stupid.

02-22-2009, 06:36 PM	#26
Crazyswordsman This key doesn't work. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 10,748 Thanks: 1,000 Thanked 683 Times in 464 Posts	^Yes, emulation is an option. However, I only save it for VERY LAST RESORTS, because it's illegal (although there are gray, debated areas), you're losing part of the game's experience, and it's so easy to cheat. The only emulated game I downloaded since 2004 is Mother 3, and only because they never had (or will have) an official release, and only after I imported a legal copy of the game (which I have sitting in the plastic bag on my bookshelf). -CSM

02-22-2009, 11:32 PM	#29
Stanley the Bugman Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: A Greenhouse Gender: Posts: 1,656 Thanks: 19 Thanked 14 Times in 13 Posts	Ugh. >_< Yeah, I was definately dissapointed in hearing this news. I own a copy on the SNES, but I would have downloaded it on the VC just to show some support. It seems that the Mother series is destined never to go any further over on this side of the world... Hell, I think we were lucky just to get EarthBound...

02-24-2009, 10:37 PM	#30
Crazyswordsman This key doesn't work. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 10,748 Thanks: 1,000 Thanked 683 Times in 464 Posts	^I think we ALL would've downloaded it on the VC. In fact, I was planning on holding a contest on VGF for people who have yet to play the game, and the winners would get EB gifted to them from me. -CSM

02-24-2009, 10:58 PM	#31
Sim Kid Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The state of Denial Gender: Posts: 8,772 Thanks: 75 Thanked 196 Times in 120 Posts	Or just Earthbound Zero. I'm sure a lot of people woudl have downloaded THAT considering that there actually was an english version.

02-24-2009, 11:27 PM	#33
Jesus Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Gender: Posts: 5,613 Thanks: 104 Thanked 139 Times in 101 Posts Blog Entries: 3	Getting sued would be very dangerous. And you know there are stupid lawsuits so it's best not to risk it. It's like you going and rereleasing a greatest hits album of various musicstars and having one of the stars sue you because you didn't get permission to use their song. There are LOTS of pop culture references. One off the top of my head were the Blues Brothers. Another being the yo-yo. Only reason they didn't get sued before is because the game failed to garner large enough sales when it was first released in the US. Of course we have to look to the fact that Starmen.net resources don't really give us any credibilty. Do you see legit sources for the article?

02-25-2009, 06:09 PM	#37
Crazyswordsman This key doesn't work. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 10,748 Thanks: 1,000 Thanked 683 Times in 464 Posts	And I honestly can't see how a Blues Brothers reference, or even a band that does the same style the Blues Brothers do, can warrant a lawsuit. It's not even fair use - nothing is being used! The only way that could warrant a lawsuit is if they actually called the band the Blues Brothers or if they used a Blues Brothers song or SNL skit in the game, neither of which is true (and the first isn't even copyright infringement - it's trademark infringement, which is something completely different.) -CSM

02-25-2009, 07:44 PM	#39
Crazyswordsman This key doesn't work. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 10,748 Thanks: 1,000 Thanked 683 Times in 464 Posts	^I don't think they got sued for infringement, and if they did, it was probably because the estate of the creators (it's a very old song, almost makes the Public Domain cutoff point) didn't want the song to be used in a manner that might be offensive to some. Still, I think Family Guy could get away with it in court considering it's parody (think of what Weird Al gets away with). -CSM

02-25-2009, 08:41 PM	#40
PK FIRE! Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: On the run. Gender: Posts: 9,544 Thanks: 175 Thanked 150 Times in 120 Posts	If you could get sued for simpaly refrencing stuff mankind wouldn't of had to deal with the likes of; "Date Movie", "Epic Movie", "Meet the Spartans", and the aptly titled "Disaster Movie" Isn't there a statute of limitations on civil suits like there is for criminal cases? If so then shouldn't whoever would want to file a suit have had to file it back when Earthbound first came out? Oh by the way when is the public domain cutoff point? - You stupid dog!