Character of the Week: Ramza

Auron · 12-02-2007, 02:11 PM

Name: Ramza Beoulve
Age: 16
Gender: Male
Occupation: Squire
From: Final Fantasy Tactics
Info: Born to the noble family of Beoulve who have served the Larg's for generations. His two brothers command Ivalice's most powerful military corps, leaving Ramza with feelings of inferiority. After graduating from the Gariland officer academy, he joined Princess Ovelia's protection team and, while there, witnessed the Princess' abduction.

HA! No Wikipedia today.

**Crazyswordsman** · 12-02-2007, 02:20 PM

Ramza Beoulve - The Final Fantasy Wiki has more Final Fantasy information than Cid could research

We featured this article on the main page. -CSM

***ZeldaGirl*** · 12-02-2007, 03:06 PM

Ramza is the only male protagonist in the FF series I actually liked the entire game (Balthier notwithstanding...though I consider him XII's official male lead, I know others do not). Others, like Zidane, were tolerable near the entire game, whereas the rest just got on my nerves.

**Crazyswordsman** · 12-02-2007, 03:23 PM

^I do. -CSM

Auron · 12-02-2007, 07:06 PM

^I can't win with you. I just can't.

**Crazyswordsman** · 12-02-2007, 07:10 PM

^I didn't criticize you. Did I mention your name? No. You didn't know, so I'm helping you out a bit. People help me out all the time. -CSM

**Wyborn** · 12-02-2007, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeldaGirl

Ramza is the only male protagonist in the FF series I actually liked the entire game (Balthier notwithstanding...though I consider him XII's official male lead, I know others do not). Others, like Zidane, were tolerable near the entire game, whereas the rest just got on my nerves.

Uh....Cecil? Locke? Edgar? Sabin? Cyan? Gau? Kain? Hell, even Zell?

Don't make me go on here!

Auron · 12-02-2007, 07:45 PM

^She's referring to the lead protagonists (ex: Cloud, Squall, Tidus, etc.)

**Wyborn** · 12-02-2007, 07:49 PM

No she's not - she mentions Balthier (or FFXII in general) as a point of contention, and Balthier (or Basch, or even Vaan) absolutely cannot be considered the central figures of the story that they play into.

***ZeldaGirl*** · 12-02-2007, 07:50 PM

^Yes I am. I can make the argument that Balthier is FFXII's true male protagonist, but as I mentioned, most people don't see it that way.

But, yes, I was referring to the others such as Cloud, Squall, and Tidus.

**Wyborn** · 12-02-2007, 08:00 PM

Right, but FFXII doesn't have any male leads as the central character in the story. The strongest argument could be made for Ashe.

**Crazyswordsman** · 12-02-2007, 08:08 PM

Yeah, but the story is being told through Balthier. -CSM

***ZeldaGirl*** · 12-02-2007, 08:08 PM

^^I'm not arguing about that. I agree with that statement. And saying that, out of the three male protagonists, I like to think Balthier as the actual "leading man" (haha, I so punny).

But it's irrelevant, and doesn't change the fact that out of the true male protagonists, Ramza is the one I actually like the most.

^Well, honestly, I wouldn't say that. I say that the story is actually presented from an outside party, and no character really "tells" the story.

**Crazyswordsman** · 12-02-2007, 08:30 PM

^If you want to be technical, Ondore does. -CSM

***ZeldaGirl*** · 12-02-2007, 08:34 PM

^I'll give you that.

Anyway. Ramza. AWESOME.

**Perrin Aybara** · 12-02-2007, 09:23 PM

As always, Wy is wrong.

Lighten up, Francis. Must everything be turned into an arguement about FF12?

Anyway, I since I didn't like FFT all that much, I never really liked Ramza either. He seemed rather boring. In fact, I don't even remember anymore what impact (if any) he had on the story of the game.

Plus, in my game, I named him "JAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!".

It was funny to hear people yell JAY!!!!!!!!!!!! all the time.

-jay

**Wyborn** · 12-02-2007, 10:34 PM

So anyone wanna compare Ramza to another character from similar games? Magnus Gallant, maybe, or Destin Faroda, or Lans Tartare?

***Ace Mercury*** · 12-02-2007, 11:32 PM

Maybe I didn't pay attention to the story enough, but I didn't get a good feel for the characters. It's just usurp this, traitor that, for twenty hours, and then some weird sidequest with Cloud.

But I like how, completely coincidentally, he had the same birthday as me.

Sim Kid · 12-02-2007, 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wyborn

So anyone wanna compare Ramza to another character from similar games? Magnus Gallant, maybe, or Destin Faroda, or Lans Tartare?

Yes, Lans Tartare is a lot like Ramza - Was the story perchance done by the same people as Tactics Ogre as well? I know many other parts of Final Fantasy Tactics were.

**Wyborn** · 12-03-2007, 12:00 AM

Final Fantasy Tactics in general was created by the team that created Tactics Ogre and Ogre Battle. Now it's even more true since S-E bought Quest.

So Ramza is an unmitigated, unstoppable bad-ass comparable to Richard the Dragonheart, then?

12-02-2007, 02:11 PM	#1
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12-02-2007, 02:20 PM	#2
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12-02-2007, 03:06 PM	#3
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12-02-2007, 03:23 PM	#4
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12-02-2007, 07:06 PM	#5
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12-02-2007, 07:10 PM	#6
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12-02-2007, 07:45 PM	#8
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12-02-2007, 07:49 PM	#9
Wyborn Zelda Mod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: All over the place Gender: Posts: 12,333 Thanks: 86 Thanked 456 Times in 274 Posts Points: 21,306.80 Bank: 88,927.77 Total Points: 110,234.57 Donate	No she's not - she mentions Balthier (or FFXII in general) as a point of contention, and Balthier (or Basch, or even Vaan) absolutely cannot be considered the central figures of the story that they play into.

12-02-2007, 07:50 PM	#10
*ZeldaGirl* Venting SuperMod Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Why do YOU want to know...? Gender: Posts: 12,595 Thanks: 573 Thanked 962 Times in 648 Posts Points: 39,841.95 Bank: 927,566.32 Total Points: 967,408.27 Donate	^Yes I am. I can make the argument that Balthier is FFXII's true male protagonist, but as I mentioned, most people don't see it that way. But, yes, I was referring to the others such as Cloud, Squall, and Tidus.

12-02-2007, 08:00 PM	#11
Wyborn Zelda Mod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: All over the place Gender: Posts: 12,333 Thanks: 86 Thanked 456 Times in 274 Posts Points: 21,306.80 Bank: 88,927.77 Total Points: 110,234.57 Donate	Right, but FFXII doesn't have any male leads as the central character in the story. The strongest argument could be made for Ashe.

12-02-2007, 08:08 PM	#12
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12-02-2007, 08:30 PM	#14
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12-02-2007, 08:34 PM	#15
*ZeldaGirl* Venting SuperMod Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Why do YOU want to know...? Gender: Posts: 12,595 Thanks: 573 Thanked 962 Times in 648 Posts Points: 39,841.95 Bank: 927,566.32 Total Points: 967,408.27 Donate	^I'll give you that. Anyway. Ramza. AWESOME.

12-02-2007, 09:23 PM	#16
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12-02-2007, 10:34 PM	#17
Wyborn Zelda Mod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: All over the place Gender: Posts: 12,333 Thanks: 86 Thanked 456 Times in 274 Posts Points: 21,306.80 Bank: 88,927.77 Total Points: 110,234.57 Donate	So anyone wanna compare Ramza to another character from similar games? Magnus Gallant, maybe, or Destin Faroda, or Lans Tartare?

12-02-2007, 11:32 PM	#18
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12-03-2007, 12:00 AM	#20
Wyborn Zelda Mod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: All over the place Gender: Posts: 12,333 Thanks: 86 Thanked 456 Times in 274 Posts Points: 21,306.80 Bank: 88,927.77 Total Points: 110,234.57 Donate	Final Fantasy Tactics in general was created by the team that created Tactics Ogre and Ogre Battle. Now it's even more true since S-E bought Quest. So Ramza is an unmitigated, unstoppable bad-ass comparable to Richard the Dragonheart, then?