Nomura-ism

Erdawn Il Deus · 04-13-2008, 04:12 PM

So I'm just wondering how many other people here think that Advent Children is complete garbage outside the animation. Also how many people think Crisis Core, Before Crisis, and Dirge of Cerberus are all equally retarded and in the same garbage bin of creativity. I am wondering whether anyone else misses the artwork of Amano when he used to work on the Final Fantasy series, and why FFIX kicked ungodly ammounts of ass in terms of art-work. Every since Nomura has been granted more power over the FF franchise, the series has steadily been taking retarded spins into exploitative levels. The fact that Nomura is retarded is indeniable. There is nothing salvageable in the plotlines of any Final Fantasy 7 spin-off. Nothing.

And I also remember when names like Genesis fecking Rhapsodos started appearing. Genesis. Rhapsodos. What in the name of all the hells.

**Crazyswordsman** · 04-13-2008, 05:10 PM

If you can believe it, a lot of the heat is coming not just from those of us who think FFVII is overrated, but fans of the game themselves (they aren't fanboys because they don't let FFVII define their video game life).

FFXII was a nice break from all of that though, to be fair. -CSM

**Wyborn** · 04-13-2008, 05:10 PM

I think FFXIII is the last Final Fantasy that Nomura is wokring on, if that means anything.

And hey, he had nothing whatsoever to do with 12.

Erdawn Il Deus · 04-13-2008, 06:08 PM

Very well aware of that. Else their wardrobe would include nothing but belts and they'd all be ridiculously acrobatic and Jedi during fight scenes.

Also Cameron get the hell on AIM. Me and Garett are calling you out.

**Wyborn** · 04-13-2008, 06:16 PM

I've been on but invisible for like a month. Work is killing me. Drop a line if you want but I won't be talking much.

wariovswario · 04-13-2008, 06:38 PM

The artwork may be exploitative, but that doesn't take away from the fact that the new final fantasy games are becoming more and more beautiful to look at. I'm not a FFVII fanboy, nor am i obsessed with the series in general. I just think that since Final Fantasy 10 that the game has become more and more beautiful to look at in terms of characters and artwork. I guess a good example would be to compare Final Fantasy 10 to Dragon Quest Swords. Both by Squaresoft, but you definitely see which has the upper hand in terms of graphics, scenary, and artwork. (not trying to dis the DBZ artist either)

You say how you are upset at how much of an effort they put into the games, but why is that such a bad thing?

I find all of Amano's artwork for males to be all too similar yet androgynous. Nomura adds variety to the people. I don't hate Amano's work (he's a great artist) but I find that the androgony factors he keeps throwing in is just something I don't like to look at. It's like Raiden from MGS2.

**Wyborn** · 04-13-2008, 06:43 PM

If you think FF10 has better artwork than FF1-6, FF9, or FF12, buddy, you're are supposed to puff-puff-pass. You are messing up the rotation.

**Crazyswordsman** · 04-13-2008, 07:08 PM

WvW, I appreciate the efforts to try, but they need to focus on things that actually deserve it. For example, I would be more than happy to wait 5 or 6 years for them to make Chrono Break so long as they were working hard over those 5 to 6 years to create a game as epic as Chrono Trigger was. -CSM

wariovswario · 04-13-2008, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyborn

If you think FF10 has better artwork than FF1-6, FF9, or FF12, buddy, you're are supposed to puff-puff-pass. You are messing up the rotation.

I mean ff10-ff12. I just prefer nomura over Amano. It's just an opinion. Don't worry as I've praised Amano's work several times.

**Wyborn** · 04-13-2008, 09:12 PM

Nomura didn't work on FF11 or FF12.

**Crazyswordsman** · 04-13-2008, 09:21 PM

Yeah, that was Yoshida, who also did Tactics. He's very talented. -CSM

***ZeldaGirl*** · 04-13-2008, 09:22 PM

I love Yoshida's work. The games he's done ranks SO very high up on my list.

Inferno Dragon · 04-13-2008, 09:34 PM

yeah, nomura worked on 10, KH1&2, and all the spin-offs

***ZeldaGirl*** · 04-13-2008, 09:42 PM

Though, I don't mean to discredit Nomura completely - I loved 10, and enjoyed KH too.

**Crazyswordsman** · 04-13-2008, 10:14 PM

I don't like his work, but FF7 and FF10 are both really fun to play, and FF10 in particular. -CSM

Galefore · 04-14-2008, 04:15 PM

WvW, if you honestly think Amano draws men any more androgynous than Nomura, I wonder if you even know who the hell we're talking about.

Erdawn Il Deus · 04-16-2008, 03:40 AM

Are you ****ing kidding me.

**Crazyswordsman** · 04-16-2008, 08:47 AM

You know, I know a lot of people who hate Amano because they think his artwork is messy. -CSM

Erdawn Il Deus · 04-16-2008, 01:55 PM

That's not even an argument.

**Crazyswordsman** · 04-16-2008, 07:07 PM

^It's not. I don't understand how they like their graphics simple and Hollywood like as supposed to New York like (I say New York like because Amano lives in a community of artists, famous and not-so-famous, in Chelsea). -CSM

04-13-2008, 04:12 PM	#1
Erdawn Il Deus Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Threading the jeweled thrones of earth under my sandalled feet Gender: Posts: 2,990 Thanks: 4 Thanked 45 Times in 39 Posts Points: 24,318.11 Bank: 853.44 Total Points: 25,171.55 Donate	Nomura-ism So I'm just wondering how many other people here think that Advent Children is complete garbage outside the animation. Also how many people think Crisis Core, Before Crisis, and Dirge of Cerberus are all equally retarded and in the same garbage bin of creativity. I am wondering whether anyone else misses the artwork of Amano when he used to work on the Final Fantasy series, and why FFIX kicked ungodly ammounts of ass in terms of art-work. Every since Nomura has been granted more power over the FF franchise, the series has steadily been taking retarded spins into exploitative levels. The fact that Nomura is retarded is indeniable. There is nothing salvageable in the plotlines of any Final Fantasy 7 spin-off. Nothing. And I also remember when names like Genesis fecking Rhapsodos started appearing. Genesis. Rhapsodos. What in the name of all the hells.

04-13-2008, 06:38 PM	#6
wariovswario Godly Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Gender: Posts: 4,627 Thanks: 92 Thanked 98 Times in 68 Posts Blog Entries: 2 Points: 736.38 Bank: 981,041.33 Total Points: 981,777.71 Donate	The artwork may be exploitative, but that doesn't take away from the fact that the new final fantasy games are becoming more and more beautiful to look at. I'm not a FFVII fanboy, nor am i obsessed with the series in general. I just think that since Final Fantasy 10 that the game has become more and more beautiful to look at in terms of characters and artwork. I guess a good example would be to compare Final Fantasy 10 to Dragon Quest Swords. Both by Squaresoft, but you definitely see which has the upper hand in terms of graphics, scenary, and artwork. (not trying to dis the DBZ artist either) You say how you are upset at how much of an effort they put into the games, but why is that such a bad thing? I find all of Amano's artwork for males to be all too similar yet androgynous. Nomura adds variety to the people. I don't hate Amano's work (he's a great artist) but I find that the androgony factors he keeps throwing in is just something I don't like to look at. It's like Raiden from MGS2. __________________ Click here to level up my card! Last edited by wariovswario; 04-13-2008 at 06:44 PM.

04-13-2008, 05:10 PM	#2
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04-13-2008, 05:10 PM	#3
Wyborn Zelda Mod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: All over the place Gender: Posts: 12,333 Thanks: 86 Thanked 456 Times in 274 Posts Points: 21,306.80 Bank: 88,927.77 Total Points: 110,234.57 Donate	I think FFXIII is the last Final Fantasy that Nomura is wokring on, if that means anything. And hey, he had nothing whatsoever to do with 12.

04-13-2008, 06:08 PM	#4
Erdawn Il Deus Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Threading the jeweled thrones of earth under my sandalled feet Gender: Posts: 2,990 Thanks: 4 Thanked 45 Times in 39 Posts Points: 24,318.11 Bank: 853.44 Total Points: 25,171.55 Donate	Very well aware of that. Else their wardrobe would include nothing but belts and they'd all be ridiculously acrobatic and Jedi during fight scenes. Also Cameron get the hell on AIM. Me and Garett are calling you out.

04-13-2008, 06:16 PM	#5
Wyborn Zelda Mod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: All over the place Gender: Posts: 12,333 Thanks: 86 Thanked 456 Times in 274 Posts Points: 21,306.80 Bank: 88,927.77 Total Points: 110,234.57 Donate	I've been on but invisible for like a month. Work is killing me. Drop a line if you want but I won't be talking much.

04-13-2008, 06:43 PM	#7
Wyborn Zelda Mod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: All over the place Gender: Posts: 12,333 Thanks: 86 Thanked 456 Times in 274 Posts Points: 21,306.80 Bank: 88,927.77 Total Points: 110,234.57 Donate	If you think FF10 has better artwork than FF1-6, FF9, or FF12, buddy, you're are supposed to puff-puff-pass. You are messing up the rotation.

04-13-2008, 07:08 PM	#8
Crazyswordsman RPG Mod Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 8,584 Thanks: 633 Thanked 471 Times in 311 Posts Points: 167,254.15 Bank: 77,775.54 Total Points: 245,029.69 Donate	WvW, I appreciate the efforts to try, but they need to focus on things that actually deserve it. For example, I would be more than happy to wait 5 or 6 years for them to make Chrono Break so long as they were working hard over those 5 to 6 years to create a game as epic as Chrono Trigger was. -CSM

04-13-2008, 09:12 PM	#10
Wyborn Zelda Mod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: All over the place Gender: Posts: 12,333 Thanks: 86 Thanked 456 Times in 274 Posts Points: 21,306.80 Bank: 88,927.77 Total Points: 110,234.57 Donate	Nomura didn't work on FF11 or FF12.

04-13-2008, 09:21 PM	#11
Crazyswordsman RPG Mod Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 8,584 Thanks: 633 Thanked 471 Times in 311 Posts Points: 167,254.15 Bank: 77,775.54 Total Points: 245,029.69 Donate	Yeah, that was Yoshida, who also did Tactics. He's very talented. -CSM

04-13-2008, 09:22 PM	#12
*ZeldaGirl* Venting SuperMod Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Why do YOU want to know...? Gender: Posts: 12,595 Thanks: 573 Thanked 962 Times in 648 Posts Points: 39,851.95 Bank: 927,566.32 Total Points: 967,418.27 Donate	I love Yoshida's work. The games he's done ranks SO very high up on my list.

04-13-2008, 09:34 PM	#13
Inferno Dragon Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Planet Draco Gender: Posts: 5,962 Thanks: 52 Thanked 33 Times in 26 Posts Points: 38,364.22 Bank: 31,881.39 Total Points: 70,245.61 Donate	yeah, nomura worked on 10, KH1&2, and all the spin-offs

04-13-2008, 09:42 PM	#14
*ZeldaGirl* Venting SuperMod Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Why do YOU want to know...? Gender: Posts: 12,595 Thanks: 573 Thanked 962 Times in 648 Posts Points: 39,851.95 Bank: 927,566.32 Total Points: 967,418.27 Donate	Though, I don't mean to discredit Nomura completely - I loved 10, and enjoyed KH too.

04-13-2008, 10:14 PM	#15
Crazyswordsman RPG Mod Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 8,584 Thanks: 633 Thanked 471 Times in 311 Posts Points: 167,254.15 Bank: 77,775.54 Total Points: 245,029.69 Donate	I don't like his work, but FF7 and FF10 are both really fun to play, and FF10 in particular. -CSM

04-14-2008, 04:15 PM	#16
Galefore Gunjinkeeper Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Ha ha ha ha ha... Gender: Posts: 6,091 Thanks: 757 Thanked 453 Times in 328 Posts Blog Entries: 3 Points: 1,009.26 Bank: 30,891.85 Total Points: 31,901.11 Donate	WvW, if you honestly think Amano draws men any more androgynous than Nomura, I wonder if you even know who the hell we're talking about.

04-16-2008, 03:40 AM	#17
Erdawn Il Deus Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Threading the jeweled thrones of earth under my sandalled feet Gender: Posts: 2,990 Thanks: 4 Thanked 45 Times in 39 Posts Points: 24,318.11 Bank: 853.44 Total Points: 25,171.55 Donate	Are you ****ing kidding me.

04-16-2008, 08:47 AM	#18
Crazyswordsman RPG Mod Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 8,584 Thanks: 633 Thanked 471 Times in 311 Posts Points: 167,254.15 Bank: 77,775.54 Total Points: 245,029.69 Donate	You know, I know a lot of people who hate Amano because they think his artwork is messy. -CSM

04-16-2008, 01:55 PM	#19
Erdawn Il Deus Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Threading the jeweled thrones of earth under my sandalled feet Gender: Posts: 2,990 Thanks: 4 Thanked 45 Times in 39 Posts Points: 24,318.11 Bank: 853.44 Total Points: 25,171.55 Donate	That's not even an argument.

04-16-2008, 07:07 PM	#20
Crazyswordsman RPG Mod Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 8,584 Thanks: 633 Thanked 471 Times in 311 Posts Points: 167,254.15 Bank: 77,775.54 Total Points: 245,029.69 Donate	^It's not. I don't understand how they like their graphics simple and Hollywood like as supposed to New York like (I say New York like because Amano lives in a community of artists, famous and not-so-famous, in Chelsea). -CSM