CotW: Wiegraf - VGF

Rattan · 08-03-2004, 01:37 AM

Velius

Ancalag the Black · 08-03-2004, 02:29 AM

Oh yeah, that guy that everybody complained about being hard, until you realize the game is so rigged that you can beat him easily with a L15 character.

Super Shy Guy · 08-03-2004, 12:54 PM

What a loser.

PenguinMan · 08-03-2004, 01:06 PM

Wiegraf wasn't that bad, but Velius was a pain since I didn't know Yell.

MetaKnight Master · 08-06-2004, 11:30 AM

Esiast battle in the game. Use Yell untill your speed is 50, then accumulate until your strength is 50. Attack. If people can't get through this battle, they shouldn't bother playing the game.

PenguinMan · 08-06-2004, 01:19 PM

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Sim Kid · 08-08-2004, 12:30 AM

No...Wiegraf wasn't the easiest. Queklain and Gariland were the easiest, unless you tried to do Gariland with just Ramza and Delita.

And Velius was (Bleep)in hard and (bleep)in annoying, and even with all my (bleep)ing characters at (bleep)ing level 42, that (bleep) still (bleep)in whooped my character's (Bleep)in (bleep) into Oblivion. (bleep) you Wiegraf, you just made me swear like Yusuke in the YYH Manga.

MetaKnight Master · 08-08-2004, 04:26 PM

If you did what I just said, it should be easiest to beat the battle with only Ramza.

[sage] · 08-08-2004, 05:05 PM

Currently stuck in my Geomancer SSCC (ramza only, as a geomancer the entire game starting at dorter)

So i can't really use yell in this.

I just got there in another save which I probably can do what you did.

Of course, it's a strategy you can use in a lot of fights, not just this one.

And no. He's not the easiest fight in the game. Second Dorter trade city, Zirekile falls (assuming you're not caught unawares the first time) most chapter 1 fights and araguay woods and both zalmo fights are all much much easier.

[ August 08, 2004, 05:08 PM: Message edited by: Marth ]

Sim Kid · 08-08-2004, 10:09 PM

And oh yeah for Wiegraf, another easy strategy is to have Ramza learn the highest jump skill (Horizontal 9 and vertical 9) for a Lancer and Yell and Accumulate and set Guts as a secondary skill. Then have Ramza run out of the way to use Yell, and then accumulate. After that, jump on Wiegraf. Then do the same for Velius. That's how I beat him easily on the second try besides having a Summoner use Math Skill to Cure 4 the party and Holy the hell out of Velius.

But still, it isn't the easiest because Wiegraf can still hit you when you're yelling and accumulating, because you have to keep out of his range. It's easy enough, but sometimes he'll catch up and use Lightning stab. Still, if you have nothing but X-potions and Ramza knows Auto Potion, that'll make it even easier in case he does hit you with lighting stab.

[ August 08, 2004, 10:11 PM: Message edited by: Digi ]

[sage] · 08-08-2004, 10:28 PM

he won't use lightning stab if you wear a chamelon robe.

Sim Kid · 08-09-2004, 03:28 PM

^A what?! That's the first time I ever heard of that.

MetaKnight Master · 08-12-2004, 01:28 PM

Chameleon Robe absorbs holy. Awesome to do the strategy.

[sage] · 08-12-2004, 02:26 PM

yea. Wierd thing is, i don't think Lightning stab actually counts as holy element. It's prolly an AI flaw.

Sim Kid · 08-12-2004, 05:34 PM

I never even HEARD of a chameleon robe. Where can I get it? It could really help against those ****ers with dark holy.

08-03-2004, 01:37 AM	#1
Rattan Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The current whereabouts of my being is here. Posts: 11,034 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 1 Post Points: 11,759.15 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 12,259.15 Donate	Velius

08-03-2004, 02:29 AM	#2
Ancalag the Black Junior Member Join Date: May 2000 Posts: 302 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 4,854.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 5,354.00 Donate	Oh yeah, that guy that everybody complained about being hard, until you realize the game is so rigged that you can beat him easily with a L15 character.

08-03-2004, 12:54 PM	#3
Super Shy Guy Banned Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: the seven seas Posts: 8,969 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 8,698.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 9,198.00 Donate	What a loser.

08-03-2004, 01:06 PM	#4
PenguinMan Spin the Disc Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: THE ARCTIC CIRCLE!!!!1 Gender: Posts: 10,731 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Points: 5,286.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 5,786.00 Donate	Wiegraf wasn't that bad, but Velius was a pain since I didn't know Yell.

08-06-2004, 11:30 AM	#5
MetaKnight Master Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: In the house behind the mailbox with a car in the driveway Gender: Posts: 271 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 4,528.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 5,028.00 Donate	Esiast battle in the game. Use Yell untill your speed is 50, then accumulate until your strength is 50. Attack. If people can't get through this battle, they shouldn't bother playing the game.

08-06-2004, 01:19 PM	#6
PenguinMan Spin the Disc Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: THE ARCTIC CIRCLE!!!!1 Gender: Posts: 10,731 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Points: 5,286.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 5,786.00 Donate	[img]redface.gif[/img]

08-08-2004, 12:30 AM	#7
Sim Kid Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The state of Denial Gender: Posts: 6,869 Thanks: 9 Thanked 54 Times in 29 Posts Points: 32,806.04 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 33,306.04 Donate	No...Wiegraf wasn't the easiest. Queklain and Gariland were the easiest, unless you tried to do Gariland with just Ramza and Delita. And Velius was (Bleep)in hard and (bleep)in annoying, and even with all my (bleep)ing characters at (bleep)ing level 42, that (bleep) still (bleep)in whooped my character's (Bleep)in (bleep) into Oblivion. (bleep) you Wiegraf, you just made me swear like Yusuke in the YYH Manga.

08-08-2004, 04:26 PM	#8
MetaKnight Master Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: In the house behind the mailbox with a car in the driveway Gender: Posts: 271 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 4,528.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 5,028.00 Donate	If you did what I just said, it should be easiest to beat the battle with only Ramza.

08-08-2004, 05:05 PM	#9
[sage] Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Florida Gender: Posts: 18,022 Thanks: 1 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts Points: 30,390.64 Bank: 541.22 Total Points: 30,931.86 Donate	Currently stuck in my Geomancer SSCC (ramza only, as a geomancer the entire game starting at dorter) So i can't really use yell in this. I just got there in another save which I probably can do what you did. Of course, it's a strategy you can use in a lot of fights, not just this one. And no. He's not the easiest fight in the game. Second Dorter trade city, Zirekile falls (assuming you're not caught unawares the first time) most chapter 1 fights and araguay woods and both zalmo fights are all much much easier. [ August 08, 2004, 05:08 PM: Message edited by: Marth ]

08-08-2004, 10:09 PM	#10
Sim Kid Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The state of Denial Gender: Posts: 6,869 Thanks: 9 Thanked 54 Times in 29 Posts Points: 32,806.04 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 33,306.04 Donate	And oh yeah for Wiegraf, another easy strategy is to have Ramza learn the highest jump skill (Horizontal 9 and vertical 9) for a Lancer and Yell and Accumulate and set Guts as a secondary skill. Then have Ramza run out of the way to use Yell, and then accumulate. After that, jump on Wiegraf. Then do the same for Velius. That's how I beat him easily on the second try besides having a Summoner use Math Skill to Cure 4 the party and Holy the hell out of Velius. But still, it isn't the easiest because Wiegraf can still hit you when you're yelling and accumulating, because you have to keep out of his range. It's easy enough, but sometimes he'll catch up and use Lightning stab. Still, if you have nothing but X-potions and Ramza knows Auto Potion, that'll make it even easier in case he does hit you with lighting stab. [ August 08, 2004, 10:11 PM: Message edited by: Digi ]

08-08-2004, 10:28 PM	#11
[sage] Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Florida Gender: Posts: 18,022 Thanks: 1 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts Points: 30,390.64 Bank: 541.22 Total Points: 30,931.86 Donate	he won't use lightning stab if you wear a chamelon robe.

08-09-2004, 03:28 PM	#12
Sim Kid Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The state of Denial Gender: Posts: 6,869 Thanks: 9 Thanked 54 Times in 29 Posts Points: 32,806.04 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 33,306.04 Donate	^A what?! That's the first time I ever heard of that.

08-12-2004, 01:28 PM	#13
MetaKnight Master Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: In the house behind the mailbox with a car in the driveway Gender: Posts: 271 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 4,528.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 5,028.00 Donate	Chameleon Robe absorbs holy. Awesome to do the strategy.

08-12-2004, 02:26 PM	#14
[sage] Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Florida Gender: Posts: 18,022 Thanks: 1 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts Points: 30,390.64 Bank: 541.22 Total Points: 30,931.86 Donate	yea. Wierd thing is, i don't think Lightning stab actually counts as holy element. It's prolly an AI flaw.

08-12-2004, 05:34 PM	#15
Sim Kid Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The state of Denial Gender: Posts: 6,869 Thanks: 9 Thanked 54 Times in 29 Posts Points: 32,806.04 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 33,306.04 Donate	I never even HEARD of a chameleon robe. Where can I get it? It could really help against those ****ers with dark holy.