Education in poor areas...

Bomby · 10-24-2004, 11:30 PM

I have not experienced this, but I have heard descriptions... this is just a reiteration of those descriptions:

"Weapon brandishing and drug dealing are not uncommon to the hallways. You go to school, and there's not enough desks in the classroom for all the students, meaning some students will have to stand. Many students, not wanting to stand the entire period, leave the class and go somewhere else. How about textbooks? There are even less of them than there are desks, meaning that a gorup of 4 or 5 students will be sharing the same book."

Here's an idea: instead of shutting schools down, like Bush's "No Child Left Behind," how about increasing funding for public schools? The former idea will lead to larger classes and less available resources, prompting more students to drop out of school and fall into the great American trap, which is largely overlooked by the media, whereas the latter idea would help make the learning environment better, increase hope in our youth, and decrease the amount of people leaving school for lives of crime.

ocarinagirl · 10-24-2004, 11:52 PM

Have you been reading "Savage Inequalities?" =/

But yeah, it's a very serious issue in this country. It's so serious that it's said that education in poor areas have been set back by about 100 years. At least in East St. Louis, anyway.

....

Cholera breaks out over there, for God's sake.

CHOLERA.

*will write more when she's not so tired*

***CaptHayfever*** · 10-25-2004, 01:09 AM

Yeah, there's a reason I stay west of the Mississippi as much as I can.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

ocarinagirl · 10-25-2004, 01:29 AM

^You mean it's still like that over there? Jesus Tapdancing Christ, Savage Inequalities was written in the 80's and you're telling me that changes haven't been done over in East St. Louis since then?

[ October 25, 2004, 01:35 AM: Message edited by: Bad Andi ]

***CaptHayfever*** · 10-25-2004, 03:17 PM

It's better than it was, but it's still pretty bad. Still worse than StL's public schools, and that's saying something.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

imported_ · 10-26-2004, 01:54 PM

It's not really so easy as jacking up funding. Government policies are involved, and funding would have to be drawn from from somewhere else. In my home state of Michigan, for example, we had a crippling state debt. As a result, we had to cut huge amounts of school funding. Around 50% of school funding comes from state governments, the rest from property taxes (and a wee bit from Uncle Sam)

One way to help would be to pass a law demanding all schools recieve equal funding - forcing states to even out funding between ridiculously wealthy districts and completely impoverished ones.

Bomby · 10-26-2004, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shaw's Ghoti:
One way to help would be to pass a law demanding all schools recieve equal funding - forcing states to even out funding between ridiculously wealthy districts and completely impoverished ones.

Wonderful idea.

Sabrilocke · 10-28-2004, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bad Andi:
Jesus Tapdancing Christ

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*writes that down*

Eagle Eye · 10-28-2004, 06:19 PM

This is MY philosiphy, not forcing anyone or shoving this down your throat, so remember this before you arm yourself, or I shall use my stamp against you (HAR!) (God, did I just say "har"?)

Anyway

I know, it's crazy, but we should have the taxes back.

Increasing taxes/salary is better because the people with more money are giving more back to the community than someone who doesn't have as much money is doing.

Let me put it this way:
Tax cuts are good, but that means that less funding is going to our schools, and public sports recreation and funding.
Besides TV and inside things, children don't really go and play activites as often because, either, everyone doesn't agree, or there is no support for them to go and play with other kids their age, solely because of money.

Now, compared to a lot of otehr schools in the state, my school and the ones around the county, are pretty fortunate, these are about the dumbest chairmen and treasurers I've ever heard of.

They spent hundreds of dollars from school funding, to rework their office, new chairs, and everything.

Princess Zelda of Hyrule · 10-29-2004, 07:38 PM

You can't solve every problem by dumping money on it.

Dux is not you · 11-04-2004, 12:36 PM

In my country, the government is killing the best university. I know about it, 'cause I study in there. (And I visit silly videogame forums all the while.)

When the principal election was held, the actual principal didn't even have 4% of votes. Yet he's the actual principal, somehow. And the government is letting him be there.

Taxes aren't fixing the situation either. The tax rates skyrocket, yet the situation isn't improving... I mean, if people are paying their taxes, where the heck is that money? MY university has stuff in crap state, and people are supposed to be paying to fix it!

Worse than all, the aforementioned principal has the plan to eliminate all careers and leave the university with just postgraduate programs that cost a buck. That accomplishes 2 things: 1. Destroying the best (and still the cheapest) programs in the country. 2. Turning the university into a private business.

I don't like my government at all.

ocarinagirl · 11-18-2004, 07:25 PM

^Just curious, but where do you live?

Link2000 · 11-18-2004, 08:05 PM

^^That's why public post-secondary doesn't work guys.

10-24-2004, 11:30 PM	#1
Bomby You just freaking blew Joe Biden's mind! Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: WHAT?house Gender: Posts: 19,491 Thanks: 513 Thanked 1,449 Times in 849 Posts Blog Entries: 5	I have not experienced this, but I have heard descriptions... this is just a reiteration of those descriptions: "Weapon brandishing and drug dealing are not uncommon to the hallways. You go to school, and there's not enough desks in the classroom for all the students, meaning some students will have to stand. Many students, not wanting to stand the entire period, leave the class and go somewhere else. How about textbooks? There are even less of them than there are desks, meaning that a gorup of 4 or 5 students will be sharing the same book." Here's an idea: instead of shutting schools down, like Bush's "No Child Left Behind," how about increasing funding for public schools? The former idea will lead to larger classes and less available resources, prompting more students to drop out of school and fall into the great American trap, which is largely overlooked by the media, whereas the latter idea would help make the learning environment better, increase hope in our youth, and decrease the amount of people leaving school for lives of crime.

10-24-2004, 11:52 PM	#2
ocarinagirl Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Ehhh? What? Where am I?! Gender: Posts: 3,010 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Have you been reading "Savage Inequalities?" =/ But yeah, it's a very serious issue in this country. It's so serious that it's said that education in poor areas have been set back by about 100 years. At least in East St. Louis, anyway. .... Cholera breaks out over there, for God's sake. CHOLERA. will write more when she's not so tired

10-25-2004, 01:09 AM	#3
*CaptHayfever* Smash SuperMod Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 27,661 Thanks: 1,991 Thanked 2,486 Times in 1,513 Posts	Yeah, there's a reason I stay west of the Mississippi as much as I can. And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

10-25-2004, 01:29 AM	#4
ocarinagirl Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Ehhh? What? Where am I?! Gender: Posts: 3,010 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	^You mean it's still like that over there? Jesus Tapdancing Christ, Savage Inequalities was written in the 80's and you're telling me that changes haven't been done over in East St. Louis since then? [ October 25, 2004, 01:35 AM: Message edited by: Bad Andi ]

10-25-2004, 03:17 PM	#5
*CaptHayfever* Smash SuperMod Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 27,661 Thanks: 1,991 Thanked 2,486 Times in 1,513 Posts	It's better than it was, but it's still pretty bad. Still worse than StL's public schools, and that's saying something. And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

10-26-2004, 01:54 PM	#6
imported_ Banned Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	It's not really so easy as jacking up funding. Government policies are involved, and funding would have to be drawn from from somewhere else. In my home state of Michigan, for example, we had a crippling state debt. As a result, we had to cut huge amounts of school funding. Around 50% of school funding comes from state governments, the rest from property taxes (and a wee bit from Uncle Sam) One way to help would be to pass a law demanding all schools recieve equal funding - forcing states to even out funding between ridiculously wealthy districts and completely impoverished ones.

10-28-2004, 06:19 PM	#9
Eagle Eye Diddy bops Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Birmingham, AL Gender: Posts: 15,014 Thanks: 1,616 Thanked 1,084 Times in 597 Posts	This is MY philosiphy, not forcing anyone or shoving this down your throat, so remember this before you arm yourself, or I shall use my stamp against you (HAR!) (God, did I just say "har"?) Anyway I know, it's crazy, but we should have the taxes back. Increasing taxes/salary is better because the people with more money are giving more back to the community than someone who doesn't have as much money is doing. Let me put it this way: Tax cuts are good, but that means that less funding is going to our schools, and public sports recreation and funding. Besides TV and inside things, children don't really go and play activites as often because, either, everyone doesn't agree, or there is no support for them to go and play with other kids their age, solely because of money. Now, compared to a lot of otehr schools in the state, my school and the ones around the county, are pretty fortunate, these are about the dumbest chairmen and treasurers I've ever heard of. They spent hundreds of dollars from school funding, to rework their office, new chairs, and everything.

10-29-2004, 07:38 PM	#10
Princess Zelda of Hyrule Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Hyrule Castle Gender: Posts: 6,128 Thanks: 35 Thanked 14 Times in 10 Posts	You can't solve every problem by dumping money on it.

11-04-2004, 12:36 PM	#11
Dux is not you Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Not Columbia Gender: Posts: 1,976 Thanks: 92 Thanked 113 Times in 74 Posts Blog Entries: 1	In my country, the government is killing the best university. I know about it, 'cause I study in there. (And I visit silly videogame forums all the while.) When the principal election was held, the actual principal didn't even have 4% of votes. Yet he's the actual principal, somehow. And the government is letting him be there. Taxes aren't fixing the situation either. The tax rates skyrocket, yet the situation isn't improving... I mean, if people are paying their taxes, where the heck is that money? MY university has stuff in crap state, and people are supposed to be paying to fix it! Worse than all, the aforementioned principal has the plan to eliminate all careers and leave the university with just postgraduate programs that cost a buck. That accomplishes 2 things: 1. Destroying the best (and still the cheapest) programs in the country. 2. Turning the university into a private business. I don't like my government at all.

11-18-2004, 07:25 PM	#12
ocarinagirl Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Ehhh? What? Where am I?! Gender: Posts: 3,010 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	^Just curious, but where do you live?

11-18-2004, 08:05 PM	#13
Link2000 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Ontario, Canada Gender: Posts: 8,052 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	^^That's why public post-secondary doesn't work guys.