I need help on Lord of the Flies essay( Jack turning frominnocent schoolboy to savage - VGF

Banned from VGF · 11-30-2004, 05:08 PM

Does anybody have good quotes from the book that I can use for my essay?

ocarinagirl · 11-30-2004, 05:21 PM

OHSNAP!

I read this for sophomore English, so I might not be much of a help. Jack is the leader of the boy's choir who ends up being a real ******* , right?

Mmmmwell, something I remember about Jack was that he always leaned toward the argument of "The Ends Justify the Means." Meaning that if the boys had to turn into complete savages to survive, then so be it.

Hope that helps...=/

***Ace Mercury*** · 11-30-2004, 07:19 PM

I just remember that, since Piggy had myopia, his glasses could not be used to start a fire.

And that one kid who was like Jesus.

ocarinagirl · 11-30-2004, 07:45 PM

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Originally posted by Ace Mercury:
And that one kid who was like Jesus.

Simon.

My favorite character, BTW. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[sage] · 12-01-2004, 12:49 AM

Don't remember simon being like jesus. Then again i read the book years ago and didn't care for it much.

Parrakarry · 12-02-2004, 06:08 PM

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The strong-willed, egomaniacal Jack is the novel’s primary representative of the instinct of savagery, violence, and the desire for power—in short, the antithesis of Ralph. From the beginning of the novel, Jack desires power above all other things. He is furious when he loses the election to Ralph and continually pushes the boundaries of his subordinate role in the group. Early on, Jack retains the sense of moral propriety and behavior that society instilled in him—in fact, in school, he was the leader of the choirboys. The first time he encounters a pig, he is unable to kill it. But Jack soon becomes obsessed with hunting and devotes himself to the task, painting his face like a barbarian and giving himself over to bloodlust. The more savage Jack becomes, the more he is able to control the rest of the group. Indeed, apart from Ralph, Simon, and Piggy, the group largely follows Jack in casting off moral restraint and embracing violence and savagery. Jack’s love of authority and violence are intimately connected, as both enable him to feel powerful and exalted. By the end of the novel, Jack has learned to use the boys’ fear of the beast to control their behavior—a reminder of how religion and superstition can be manipulated as instruments of power.

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[sage] · 12-02-2004, 08:20 PM

No i just never use it.

ocarinagirl · 12-02-2004, 10:37 PM

Sparknotes.com is for weak-minded pussies.

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11-30-2004, 07:19 PM	#3
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