Nitpicking at various Star Wars scenes

**Valigarmander** · 02-06-2007, 05:17 PM

This is a thread to complain about certain scenes in any of the movies you did not like. You can post your own rant, or comment on others, and feel free to add your two cents to any argument.

This time: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

You all know what I'm talking about. Towards the end of Episode III, we see Anakin painstakingly restored with cybernetic limbs and other robotic doohickies. Very nice. Finally, we see the mask slide onto his ravaged face and get to hear Darth Vader's signature breathing for the first time. That's awesome. He rises, and Palpatine greets him. "Where is Padme?" he asks. That's swell. However, Palpatine tells him that he accidentally killed her. Everything goes downhill from here (the acting, I mean). Christensen inside the Darth Vader suit breaks free and does a big Frankenstein step forward. Then, he raises his head high and we get to hear James Earl Jones deliver the cheesiest line in the entire Star Wars saga. While doing so, he manages to make it sound as cliche'd as possible, and you also notice how his voice goes up and then down. Christensen makes things worse by making things look like, instead of a grief-stricken man screaming in torment, a bad actor inside a suit. He even quits his "screaming" before Jones even finishes, so apparently Darth Vader continued to scream even when he had calmed down.

That's just my opinion. Tell me yours.

Rainbow Dash · 02-06-2007, 05:31 PM

What, would you prefer he was a robot with no emotion?

It was necessary, as it shows he finally snaps his last string to the light side, allowing him to become completely evil.

**Valigarmander** · 02-06-2007, 05:34 PM

I agree, but it could have been a bit less cheesy.

Lilac DownDeep · 02-07-2007, 11:10 AM

I have no Idea who's side I'm on, but yes, it helps snap his last light string, but the NOOO! part made me wanna laugh...really. xD

It was funneh.

Rainbow Dash · 02-07-2007, 02:54 PM

Seriously, how would you act if you had killed someone you loved very dearly?

***CaptHayfever*** · 02-07-2007, 03:33 PM

^But, see, Hayden & James didn't kill anyone, so how they acted shouldn't have been affected.
(I know what you meant, but what you meant isn't relevant.)

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Rainbow Dash · 02-07-2007, 04:29 PM

How isn't it relevant?

Bomby · 02-07-2007, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chunky Kong12345

Seriously, how would you act if you had killed someone you loved very dearly?

I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have just stood there and yelled out "Noooo!!!" like a moron.

**Valigarmander** · 02-07-2007, 06:15 PM

We all know Darth Vader was in anguish after killing the one he lived to protect. If I were him, I'd scream "NO!" too. The thing is, it didn't look realistic. It didn't sound realistic either. Hayden was a bad actor (as usual), Jones was a bad voice (not quite as usual), the whole scene was just so cheesy. What we're saying is, it could have been executed better.

***Booyakasha*** · 02-07-2007, 11:08 PM

I'd think the 'NOOO!' would indicate, if anything, that he hadn't snapped the last string holding him to the Light Side. Cheesy or not, it demonstrates remorse, something that I'd think would be alien to the purely evil mindset. Probably why Luke is able to turn Darth away from the Dark Side in 'Jedi'; Darth wasn't fully consumed by evil, the way the Emperor was.

My big problem with Episode III is that the ending comes out of nowhere. Seriously, if I killed my wife and was consumed by remorse, my first action probably wouldn't be to supervise the building of the Death Star on behalf of King Evil.

Also, I think it speaks really poorly of the Jedi that they're completely blind-sided by everything that happens. I mean, the Jedi are in near-constant contact with Palpaltine and his troops, but they never catch on that a) Palpaltine is dripping with Dark Side juice or b) his troops have a special code word that means 'kill all the Jedi but good'. You'd think somebody would have just taken a looksie in Palpaltine's head while he was asleep, and then shown up at the Jedi council and said "Hey, the king of the universe is a whirling maelstrom of hatred and fury, and he's planning on having his army murder the crap out of us. Just thought you should know."

**Valigarmander** · 02-07-2007, 11:25 PM

Another thing I didn't like is where they hid the twins. They give Leia to Bail Organa, the ruler of one of the planets that would be a leading member of the Rebellion in the future (I can understand this, as they didn't know at the time), and they give Luke to Anakin's family, and don't even bother changing his last name. You might as well give the babies to Darth Vader right away. It would make things easier. Now, my next scene...

This time: Jedi Rocks

Koo nee tang...

Na, na, na, ah lawah! Koo nee tang!

In this little scene in the special edition of Return of the Jedi is an interesting duet sung by Sy Snootles and Joh Yowza in Jabba's Palace. We get too see (poorly rendered) CGI characters get their groove on to some Huttese music. Very nice. Yet somehow, these clunky, polygonal characters dancing to some wierd alien music just seems a bit out of place in RotJ. But hell, it wasn't much better/worse than Lapti Nek. It's just Snootles and Yowza that screw it up. Snootles' performance left a little to be desired, and Yowza's, though much better than his partner's, still could have been improved. But hey, I'm complaining about the acting of CGI characters. Well, another thing I didn't quite like is the two's reaction to Oola getting thrown into the pit. Snootles goes, "Uh-oh," while Yowza places his fingers at his lips and looks around anxiously. I didn't like it, it seemed "cartoonish."

Well, that wasn't much of a rant, but I had to do this scene. Tell me what you think.

Lilac DownDeep · 02-08-2007, 10:09 AM

xD

Funneh. Although I agree about the poorly rendered CGI. X( It was bad. Any didn't they follow Jurassic Park and did what they did? That movie was fifty times better, CGI wise.

I personally thing mixing CGI and puppets was clever. (if you know what I mean. I'm too lazy to explain.)

Rainbow Dash · 02-08-2007, 07:46 PM

They gave Leia to Bail because they had always wanted a child.

Also, Bail's already in the Rebellion at that point. (Along with Mon Mothma.) It's just called the Alliance to Restore the Republic at that point.

And I'm assuming that Obi-wan would be able to shield Tatooine from Vader's eyes. Why didn't Vader find Yoda if he could've found Luke?

***CaptHayfever*** · 02-08-2007, 10:11 PM

Because he wasn't looking for Yoda. He also wasn't looking for Luke. He didn't know Luke was even alive.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

**Valigarmander** · 02-08-2007, 10:36 PM

^ Oh, yeah. Silly me.

THIS TIME: Podracing

Ugh. This scene from Episode I could have been very cool. Unfortunately, having a 12-year-old win the race kind of screwed it up. I don't care if he's the Chosen One, wouldn't it seem strange if a little kid was a stunt cyclist or a Nascar driver? You get to see all of the racers shoot around a track using some nice CGI. Whoo! If only it didn't look so stupid. I liked the thought of having aliens fight to the death during a high-speed race, but having a 12-year-old boy outwit all of the other adult racers just seemed so stupid. Even Sebulba was lame, he spent his time making fun of a little kid. He also lost to one. Before I end this rant, there's one last thing I want to mention. Just before the race, a line of people walk out onto the runway carrying flags. That's nice. However, as you can see, C-3P0 is among those walking out with the flags. WTF? You see these others taking big strides down the runway while Threepio can barely even move his legs. It doesn't make sense that he'd even be able to keep up with them.

That's all. Tell me what you think.

***CaptHayfever*** · 02-09-2007, 08:05 AM

I actually have seen little kid stunt cyclists.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Lilac DownDeep · 02-09-2007, 01:27 PM

O.O Whoa...

Maybe his mind was altered by Qui-Gon (whatevertheheck you spell his name. >.<)?

Rainbow Dash · 02-09-2007, 03:59 PM

You realize Anakin is the best pilot, right?

Lilac DownDeep · 02-10-2007, 04:49 AM

-sigh- Chunky, how can a kid know EVERYTHING about flying in that short years? And he lived on Tattoine! >(

Rainbow Dash · 02-10-2007, 08:52 AM

Remember, he was manufactured. He has no father. It's very possible the people who created him could also make him the best pilot.

02-06-2007, 05:17 PM	#1
Valigarmander The Bee's Knees Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The land of rain and trees (Oregon) Gender: Posts: 29,755 Thanks: 1,649 Thanked 5,701 Times in 2,581 Posts Blog Entries: 20	Nitpicking at various Star Wars scenes This is a thread to complain about certain scenes in any of the movies you did not like. You can post your own rant, or comment on others, and feel free to add your two cents to any argument. This time: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! You all know what I'm talking about. Towards the end of Episode III, we see Anakin painstakingly restored with cybernetic limbs and other robotic doohickies. Very nice. Finally, we see the mask slide onto his ravaged face and get to hear Darth Vader's signature breathing for the first time. That's awesome. He rises, and Palpatine greets him. "Where is Padme?" he asks. That's swell. However, Palpatine tells him that he accidentally killed her. Everything goes downhill from here (the acting, I mean). Christensen inside the Darth Vader suit breaks free and does a big Frankenstein step forward. Then, he raises his head high and we get to hear James Earl Jones deliver the cheesiest line in the entire Star Wars saga. While doing so, he manages to make it sound as cliche'd as possible, and you also notice how his voice goes up and then down. Christensen makes things worse by making things look like, instead of a grief-stricken man screaming in torment, a bad actor inside a suit. He even quits his "screaming" before Jones even finishes, so apparently Darth Vader continued to scream even when he had calmed down. That's just my opinion. Tell me yours.

02-06-2007, 05:31 PM	#2
Rainbow Dash been dreamin', i've been waitin' Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: a bomb-ass cloud house bachelorette pad Gender: Posts: 24,402 Thanks: 173 Thanked 1,179 Times in 716 Posts	What, would you prefer he was a robot with no emotion? It was necessary, as it shows he finally snaps his last string to the light side, allowing him to become completely evil.

02-06-2007, 05:34 PM	#3
Valigarmander The Bee's Knees Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The land of rain and trees (Oregon) Gender: Posts: 29,755 Thanks: 1,649 Thanked 5,701 Times in 2,581 Posts Blog Entries: 20	I agree, but it could have been a bit less cheesy.

02-07-2007, 11:10 AM	#4
Lilac DownDeep Arceus the Almighty Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Raxacoricofallapatorius Gender: Posts: 1,320 Thanks: 18 Thanked 37 Times in 25 Posts	I have no Idea who's side I'm on, but yes, it helps snap his last light string, but the NOOO! part made me wanna laugh...really. xD It was funneh.

02-07-2007, 02:54 PM	#5
Rainbow Dash been dreamin', i've been waitin' Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: a bomb-ass cloud house bachelorette pad Gender: Posts: 24,402 Thanks: 173 Thanked 1,179 Times in 716 Posts	Seriously, how would you act if you had killed someone you loved very dearly?

02-07-2007, 03:33 PM	#6
*CaptHayfever* Smash SuperMod Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 27,661 Thanks: 1,991 Thanked 2,486 Times in 1,513 Posts	^But, see, Hayden & James didn't kill anyone, so how they acted shouldn't have been affected. (I know what you meant, but what you meant isn't relevant.) And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

02-07-2007, 04:29 PM	#7
Rainbow Dash been dreamin', i've been waitin' Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: a bomb-ass cloud house bachelorette pad Gender: Posts: 24,402 Thanks: 173 Thanked 1,179 Times in 716 Posts	How isn't it relevant?

02-07-2007, 06:15 PM	#9
Valigarmander The Bee's Knees Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The land of rain and trees (Oregon) Gender: Posts: 29,755 Thanks: 1,649 Thanked 5,701 Times in 2,581 Posts Blog Entries: 20	We all know Darth Vader was in anguish after killing the one he lived to protect. If I were him, I'd scream "NO!" too. The thing is, it didn't look realistic. It didn't sound realistic either. Hayden was a bad actor (as usual), Jones was a bad voice (not quite as usual), the whole scene was just so cheesy. What we're saying is, it could have been executed better.

02-07-2007, 11:08 PM	#10
*Booyakasha* SuperMod of War Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Wisconsinland Gender: Posts: 9,945 Thanks: 157 Thanked 1,481 Times in 763 Posts	I'd think the 'NOOO!' would indicate, if anything, that he hadn't snapped the last string holding him to the Light Side. Cheesy or not, it demonstrates remorse, something that I'd think would be alien to the purely evil mindset. Probably why Luke is able to turn Darth away from the Dark Side in 'Jedi'; Darth wasn't fully consumed by evil, the way the Emperor was. My big problem with Episode III is that the ending comes out of nowhere. Seriously, if I killed my wife and was consumed by remorse, my first action probably wouldn't be to supervise the building of the Death Star on behalf of King Evil. Also, I think it speaks really poorly of the Jedi that they're completely blind-sided by everything that happens. I mean, the Jedi are in near-constant contact with Palpaltine and his troops, but they never catch on that a) Palpaltine is dripping with Dark Side juice or b) his troops have a special code word that means 'kill all the Jedi but good'. You'd think somebody would have just taken a looksie in Palpaltine's head while he was asleep, and then shown up at the Jedi council and said "Hey, the king of the universe is a whirling maelstrom of hatred and fury, and he's planning on having his army murder the crap out of us. Just thought you should know."

02-07-2007, 11:25 PM	#11
Valigarmander The Bee's Knees Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The land of rain and trees (Oregon) Gender: Posts: 29,755 Thanks: 1,649 Thanked 5,701 Times in 2,581 Posts Blog Entries: 20	Another thing I didn't like is where they hid the twins. They give Leia to Bail Organa, the ruler of one of the planets that would be a leading member of the Rebellion in the future (I can understand this, as they didn't know at the time), and they give Luke to Anakin's family, and don't even bother changing his last name. You might as well give the babies to Darth Vader right away. It would make things easier. Now, my next scene... This time: Jedi Rocks Koo nee tang... Na, na, na, ah lawah! Koo nee tang! In this little scene in the special edition of Return of the Jedi is an interesting duet sung by Sy Snootles and Joh Yowza in Jabba's Palace. We get too see (poorly rendered) CGI characters get their groove on to some Huttese music. Very nice. Yet somehow, these clunky, polygonal characters dancing to some wierd alien music just seems a bit out of place in RotJ. But hell, it wasn't much better/worse than Lapti Nek. It's just Snootles and Yowza that screw it up. Snootles' performance left a little to be desired, and Yowza's, though much better than his partner's, still could have been improved. But hey, I'm complaining about the acting of CGI characters. Well, another thing I didn't quite like is the two's reaction to Oola getting thrown into the pit. Snootles goes, "Uh-oh," while Yowza places his fingers at his lips and looks around anxiously. I didn't like it, it seemed "cartoonish." Well, that wasn't much of a rant, but I had to do this scene. Tell me what you think.

02-08-2007, 10:09 AM	#12
Lilac DownDeep Arceus the Almighty Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Raxacoricofallapatorius Gender: Posts: 1,320 Thanks: 18 Thanked 37 Times in 25 Posts	xD Funneh. Although I agree about the poorly rendered CGI. X( It was bad. Any didn't they follow Jurassic Park and did what they did? That movie was fifty times better, CGI wise. I personally thing mixing CGI and puppets was clever. (if you know what I mean. I'm too lazy to explain.)

02-08-2007, 07:46 PM	#13
Rainbow Dash been dreamin', i've been waitin' Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: a bomb-ass cloud house bachelorette pad Gender: Posts: 24,402 Thanks: 173 Thanked 1,179 Times in 716 Posts	They gave Leia to Bail because they had always wanted a child. Also, Bail's already in the Rebellion at that point. (Along with Mon Mothma.) It's just called the Alliance to Restore the Republic at that point. And I'm assuming that Obi-wan would be able to shield Tatooine from Vader's eyes. Why didn't Vader find Yoda if he could've found Luke?

02-08-2007, 10:11 PM	#14
*CaptHayfever* Smash SuperMod Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 27,661 Thanks: 1,991 Thanked 2,486 Times in 1,513 Posts	Because he wasn't looking for Yoda. He also wasn't looking for Luke. He didn't know Luke was even alive. And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

02-08-2007, 10:36 PM	#15
Valigarmander The Bee's Knees Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The land of rain and trees (Oregon) Gender: Posts: 29,755 Thanks: 1,649 Thanked 5,701 Times in 2,581 Posts Blog Entries: 20	^ Oh, yeah. Silly me. THIS TIME: Podracing Ugh. This scene from Episode I could have been very cool. Unfortunately, having a 12-year-old win the race kind of screwed it up. I don't care if he's the Chosen One, wouldn't it seem strange if a little kid was a stunt cyclist or a Nascar driver? You get to see all of the racers shoot around a track using some nice CGI. Whoo! If only it didn't look so stupid. I liked the thought of having aliens fight to the death during a high-speed race, but having a 12-year-old boy outwit all of the other adult racers just seemed so stupid. Even Sebulba was lame, he spent his time making fun of a little kid. He also lost to one. Before I end this rant, there's one last thing I want to mention. Just before the race, a line of people walk out onto the runway carrying flags. That's nice. However, as you can see, C-3P0 is among those walking out with the flags. WTF? You see these others taking big strides down the runway while Threepio can barely even move his legs. It doesn't make sense that he'd even be able to keep up with them. That's all. Tell me what you think.

02-09-2007, 08:05 AM	#16
*CaptHayfever* Smash SuperMod Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 27,661 Thanks: 1,991 Thanked 2,486 Times in 1,513 Posts	I actually have seen little kid stunt cyclists. And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

02-09-2007, 01:27 PM	#17
Lilac DownDeep Arceus the Almighty Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Raxacoricofallapatorius Gender: Posts: 1,320 Thanks: 18 Thanked 37 Times in 25 Posts	O.O Whoa... Maybe his mind was altered by Qui-Gon (whatevertheheck you spell his name. >.<)?

02-09-2007, 03:59 PM	#18
Rainbow Dash been dreamin', i've been waitin' Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: a bomb-ass cloud house bachelorette pad Gender: Posts: 24,402 Thanks: 173 Thanked 1,179 Times in 716 Posts	You realize Anakin is the best pilot, right?

02-10-2007, 04:49 AM	#19
Lilac DownDeep Arceus the Almighty Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Raxacoricofallapatorius Gender: Posts: 1,320 Thanks: 18 Thanked 37 Times in 25 Posts	-sigh- Chunky, how can a kid know EVERYTHING about flying in that short years? And he lived on Tattoine! >(

02-10-2007, 08:52 AM	#20
Rainbow Dash been dreamin', i've been waitin' Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: a bomb-ass cloud house bachelorette pad Gender: Posts: 24,402 Thanks: 173 Thanked 1,179 Times in 716 Posts	Remember, he was manufactured. He has no father. It's very possible the people who created him could also make him the best pilot.