The universe

Yami Yoshi · 12-01-2003, 09:47 PM

This subject came up in my social studies class the other day. Have you ever thought about the origin of the universe and what will eventually become of it in the future?

As a Christian, I believe that God created the universe. (though it probably took several million years on Earth before Adam and Eve appeared as opposed to what it says in Genesis).

***Ace Mercury*** · 12-01-2003, 10:03 PM

I have thought about it. Basically, the creation (if it was created) and destruction (should it be destroyed) is a mystery to me.

I believe in the Big Bang theory, but even that has its limitations. I also believe in the Big Crunch, the Static Model, and the heat death of the universe as viable situations which the universe will play out to. Even so, I don't want to make any real choices, because I will be most likely wrong, with my limited knowledge of astrophysics.

imported_mango · 12-01-2003, 10:26 PM

I believe God created the universe. End of story.

12-02-2003, 02:03 PM

I believe in what "Red Drawf" (the T.V. series) Says about how the universe beacame, our Dimension is wrong time is accutually going backwards, all the other dimensions are going the right way, so that everythink goes back to one point in time, so your Dead you come back to life you live you live backsward then go into you mother, then your mother goes eventually goes into her mother, this carries on until we are single cell animals etc etc etc. It makes sence and it gives meaning to life.

12-02-2003, 03:04 PM

^No it doesn't.

This is the Science forum, you know. That is, theories which actually have some evidence behind them, instead of just hopeful speculation.

The Big Bang has some definite evidence. Background radiation, a clearly expanding universe, and other stuff I don't actually know about. At the very least, the universe was once much smaller.

[ December 02, 2003, 03:05 PM: Message edited by: UserGoogol ]

imported_Parrakarry · 12-02-2003, 03:39 PM

Big Bang makes sense, but NOT Big Crunch.

There's this new theory floating around that the universe is flat.

Jeez. We've heard THAT one before.

heh · 12-02-2003, 05:20 PM

I Belive That God Created The Big Bang.

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Big Bang makes sense, but NOT Big Crunch.

Agreed.

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There's this new theory floating around that the universe is flat. Jeez. We've heard THAT one before.

*Laughs*

12-02-2003, 05:32 PM

The Big Bang makes sense, but I will hold on my opinion. We don't know and we won't ever know. And besides, we don't need to know anyway. If you feel the NEED to know, get a life. Unless your some astrophysicist or something like that, in which case it is your life.

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12-02-2003, 07:53 PM

I have no idea.

Marioman143 · 12-02-2003, 08:27 PM

I think the Big Bang is how it happened, although how the big bang got a chance to happen is the problem.

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Yami Yoshi · 12-02-2003, 08:49 PM

^ Exactly. The main question that perplexes me is what exactly happened before the universe was created. Has God and the universe existed for an infinite amount of time with no beginning or end and the universe has been in a constant cycle for eternity? (Big bang to big crunch etc.)

[ December 02, 2003, 08:53 PM: Message edited by: Yami Yoshi ]

Marioman143 · 12-02-2003, 08:57 PM

Yeah...I'm a believer (Roman Catholic, confirmed and all that nice stuff) but I really don't let it get in the way of my scienitific studies. But there, you make a point of religion, which does work.

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imported_AJ Middleton · 12-02-2003, 09:04 PM

I don't like the Big Bang, because it still tries to explain the start of the universe. I am a solid believer that the all-mighty universe was ALWAYS there and will always be there. Perhaps the Big Bang created a part of it (a few galaxies,) but it definitely didn't create it all.

I think that the start of everything was quite simple. Time breaks/loops/dimensional splits/warps may seem facinating, but I believe it's all too complicated for something that just isn't.

theflyingfish · 12-02-2003, 10:08 PM

Doesn't the Big Bang theory state that the universe was always existant, just confined to a miniscular area?

imported_AJ Middleton · 12-02-2003, 10:22 PM

You know, I dunno WHAT the Big Bang states, since it's such a loose theory.

***Ace Mercury*** · 12-02-2003, 11:00 PM

Well, to understand the universe, I think we need to have a firm grasp of the fabric of space-time (amoung other things). I do not, therefore I do not understand the universe.

Marioman143 · 12-03-2003, 04:32 PM

Well, no one does Ace. No one has ever or will ever understand Time/Space in our time. Or our children's time. Or even our grandchildren's time. Hell, we may never know!

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12-04-2003, 08:57 AM

String Theory makes sense kinda, but I dont get all the extra dimension stuff.
I probably never will cos I dropped physics after 1 year at university.

imported_Cravdraa · 12-04-2003, 12:38 PM

The big bang theory states that the universe started as an infinately small point. At that density physics, quantum physics, space and time simply don't exist. It would be impossible to track anything before this point because for one, time doesn't exist, and for two, none of the rules of our universe apply. In that sense it's not really a creation theory because it doesn't try to explain where the universe came from or why or even how so much as describe it's first moments of existance.

Marioman143 · 12-04-2003, 07:48 PM

Basically it states the universe was once the size of a hyrdogen atom. It could work if the thing was infintely dense in it's compostition, but it would be millions of time denser than things such as a neutron star.

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12-01-2003, 09:47 PM	#1
Yami Yoshi Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Gender: Posts: 4,838 Thanks: 3 Thanked 8 Times in 7 Posts	This subject came up in my social studies class the other day. Have you ever thought about the origin of the universe and what will eventually become of it in the future? As a Christian, I believe that God created the universe. (though it probably took several million years on Earth before Adam and Eve appeared as opposed to what it says in Genesis).

12-01-2003, 10:03 PM	#2
*Ace Mercury* Marshmallow Knight ☆ Supermod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Southern Ontario Gender: Posts: 23,275 Thanks: 568 Thanked 3,297 Times in 1,582 Posts Blog Entries: 1	I have thought about it. Basically, the creation (if it was created) and destruction (should it be destroyed) is a mystery to me. I believe in the Big Bang theory, but even that has its limitations. I also believe in the Big Crunch, the Static Model, and the heat death of the universe as viable situations which the universe will play out to. Even so, I don't want to make any real choices, because I will be most likely wrong, with my limited knowledge of astrophysics.

12-01-2003, 10:26 PM	#3
imported_mango Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Fo shizzle Posts: 1,851 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I believe God created the universe. End of story.

12-02-2003, 02:03 PM	#4
Nomyt Guest Posts: n/a	I believe in what "Red Drawf" (the T.V. series) Says about how the universe beacame, our Dimension is wrong time is accutually going backwards, all the other dimensions are going the right way, so that everythink goes back to one point in time, so your Dead you come back to life you live you live backsward then go into you mother, then your mother goes eventually goes into her mother, this carries on until we are single cell animals etc etc etc. It makes sence and it gives meaning to life.

12-02-2003, 03:04 PM	#5
UserGoogol Guest Posts: n/a	^No it doesn't. This is the Science forum, you know. That is, theories which actually have some evidence behind them, instead of just hopeful speculation. The Big Bang has some definite evidence. Background radiation, a clearly expanding universe, and other stuff I don't actually know about. At the very least, the universe was once much smaller. [ December 02, 2003, 03:05 PM: Message edited by: UserGoogol ]

12-02-2003, 03:39 PM	#6
imported_Parrakarry 1337 H4xx0rzerz Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Mars. I own it. Period. Posts: 9,529 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Big Bang makes sense, but NOT Big Crunch. There's this new theory floating around that the universe is flat. Jeez. We've heard THAT one before.

12-02-2003, 05:32 PM	#8
KirbyKing Guest Posts: n/a	The Big Bang makes sense, but I will hold on my opinion. We don't know and we won't ever know. And besides, we don't need to know anyway. If you feel the NEED to know, get a life. Unless your some astrophysicist or something like that, in which case it is your life. [ December 02, 2003, 05:33 PM: Message edited by: KirbyKing ]

12-02-2003, 07:53 PM	#9
[sage] Guest Posts: n/a	I have no idea.

12-02-2003, 08:27 PM	#10
Marioman143 Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 10,769 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I think the Big Bang is how it happened, although how the big bang got a chance to happen is the problem. Marioman's EASY Trivia! MARIOMAN WILL CONTROL YOUR MINDS!!!

12-02-2003, 08:49 PM	#11
Yami Yoshi Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Gender: Posts: 4,838 Thanks: 3 Thanked 8 Times in 7 Posts	^ Exactly. The main question that perplexes me is what exactly happened before the universe was created. Has God and the universe existed for an infinite amount of time with no beginning or end and the universe has been in a constant cycle for eternity? (Big bang to big crunch etc.) [ December 02, 2003, 08:53 PM: Message edited by: Yami Yoshi ]

12-02-2003, 08:57 PM	#12
Marioman143 Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 10,769 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yeah...I'm a believer (Roman Catholic, confirmed and all that nice stuff) but I really don't let it get in the way of my scienitific studies. But there, you make a point of religion, which does work. Marioman's EASY Trivia! MARIOMAN WILL CONTROL YOUR MINDS!!!

12-02-2003, 09:04 PM	#13
imported_AJ Middleton Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I don't like the Big Bang, because it still tries to explain the start of the universe. I am a solid believer that the all-mighty universe was ALWAYS there and will always be there. Perhaps the Big Bang created a part of it (a few galaxies,) but it definitely didn't create it all. I think that the start of everything was quite simple. Time breaks/loops/dimensional splits/warps may seem facinating, but I believe it's all too complicated for something that just isn't.

12-02-2003, 10:08 PM	#14
theflyingfish Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The far side of Fribbulus Xax Posts: 7,386 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Doesn't the Big Bang theory state that the universe was always existant, just confined to a miniscular area?

12-02-2003, 10:22 PM	#15
imported_AJ Middleton Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	You know, I dunno WHAT the Big Bang states, since it's such a loose theory.

12-02-2003, 11:00 PM	#16
*Ace Mercury* Marshmallow Knight ☆ Supermod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Southern Ontario Gender: Posts: 23,275 Thanks: 568 Thanked 3,297 Times in 1,582 Posts Blog Entries: 1	Well, to understand the universe, I think we need to have a firm grasp of the fabric of space-time (amoung other things). I do not, therefore I do not understand the universe.

12-03-2003, 04:32 PM	#17
Marioman143 Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 10,769 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Well, no one does Ace. No one has ever or will ever understand Time/Space in our time. Or our children's time. Or even our grandchildren's time. Hell, we may never know! Marioman's EASY Trivia! MARIOMAN WILL CONTROL YOUR MINDS!!! [ December 03, 2003, 04:32 PM: Message edited by: The Insane Marioman ]

12-04-2003, 08:57 AM	#18
Stuaval Guest Posts: n/a	String Theory makes sense kinda, but I dont get all the extra dimension stuff. I probably never will cos I dropped physics after 1 year at university.

12-04-2003, 12:38 PM	#19
imported_Cravdraa Animal Crossing Mod Join Date: May 2001 Location: It\'s round on the sides and high in the middle Posts: 3,404 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The big bang theory states that the universe started as an infinately small point. At that density physics, quantum physics, space and time simply don't exist. It would be impossible to track anything before this point because for one, time doesn't exist, and for two, none of the rules of our universe apply. In that sense it's not really a creation theory because it doesn't try to explain where the universe came from or why or even how so much as describe it's first moments of existance.

12-04-2003, 07:48 PM	#20
Marioman143 Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 10,769 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Basically it states the universe was once the size of a hyrdogen atom. It could work if the thing was infintely dense in it's compostition, but it would be millions of time denser than things such as a neutron star. Marioman's EASY Trivia! MARIOMAN WILL CONTROL YOUR MINDS!!!