RUMOR: Sega to leave M$ and Xbox?

05-09-2002, 04:46 PM

I have read from some sites that on E3, Sega will announce that it will drop Xbox once its games that are in production have been done and released. Thus focus its resources on both PS2 and GC, after then, its Sega Xbox games will be ported to both machines with once again the empshasis on demographics-age trends for both system.

To me, seems strange why Sega would do this, but looking at it, its logical in a way. Since Xbox is lagging behind in Japan and Eu, plus the fact that PS2 has the same audience that Xbox has but 7 times bigger, so it may be more profitable to downsize its production by ditching one system and going with two system that is sure to have all the age market covered. However, it may not be in Sega's interest to cut its ties with MS and Xbox like that, streaming money will be hard to resist [img]smile.gif[/img]

If all these are true, it will be interesting to see how M$ will react, methinks they will do everything to keep Sega, cause Xbox will look bad in the industry and might start a domino effect amongts 3rd parties.

So what do you ppl think, truth or BS? Truth shall be revealed in E3, show is getting better every day even if it hasn't started yet

[ May 09, 2002, 04:49 PM: Message edited by: Jedi Knight JM ]

05-09-2002, 04:58 PM

As I understand it, this rumor originated on the Fatbabies message board (may have been elsewhere and that's just the first place I'd seen sourced). I'm going to wait until they lose some weight.

As has been said before, the EU situation has been overdone. Since launch, they've been about even with PS2. Japan's another story, but I think everyone knew that would take a while to get going (as it is, they already hold the record for foreign consumer electronics products launches).

Sega at this time is supporting Microsoft the most. How they go from most to none is beyond me. Furthermore, how do you beat EA when EA's supporting everything? Footshooting.

05-09-2002, 05:23 PM

lol maybe Nintendo fans were tired of hearing all these rumors about Rare leaving Nintendo so they just started this rumor about Sega leaving Microsoft.

05-09-2002, 05:26 PM

eh, FATBABIES no credibility

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(as it is, they already hold the record for foreign consumer electronics products launches).

Well, industry then to today, is very much differnt. Bigger and more audiences to take money from, so that doesn't hold any weight at least as far as I'm concerned. And this is M$ we are talking about too, however if Atari would have the necessary resources and marketing brains too, they would have accomplished that feat too.

True, that I agree, good answer there but EA have gone unnoticed and quiet, they are a mere footnote to Sega now hehehe.

[ May 09, 2002, 05:35 PM: Message edited by: Jedi Knight JM ]

05-09-2002, 05:27 PM

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Originally posted by shou amabane:
lol maybe Nintendo fans were tired of hearing all these rumors about Rare leaving Nintendo so they just started this rumor about Sega leaving Microsoft.

HAHA, best answer I heard!

05-09-2002, 06:13 PM

Nintendo fans aren't worried about Rare. They got Retro.

Consumer electronics products isn't just limited to games. There are companies like IBM involved, too. I wouldn't bother mentioning it if it were just teeny companies like Atari and 3DO.

If you wanna be #1, you gotta beat #1. That's EA.

05-09-2002, 06:42 PM

Isn't Retro what it wasn't hyped up to be? But Nintendo fans sure are funny sometimes, days after all those RARE talks, they declare that RARE isn't really good and overrated developer. Tells RARE, go leave we don't need you." Says bye bye to all those great games that built N64.

My bad, I was just strictly concerned with games.

That's Sega's role now, and they would know better how to use the ESPN product, its all set for an even bigger war. EA has Fox, Sega has ESPN.

Pikahobbes · 05-09-2002, 08:24 PM

Sega is #1 Shane. They make every genre. And most of their games are good.

-Hobbes

"C'mon, Dance for me"-Gilder

[ May 09, 2002, 08:24 PM: Message edited by: Gilder the Blue Rogue ]

pzirm · 05-10-2002, 09:02 PM

Bull **** rumor. No true. Even though most of Sega's games on XBOX have been overwhelming flops (GV, JSF), Sega would be stupid to abandon XBOX.

05-10-2002, 09:25 PM

It's BS like the Rare rumor.

XBox is in last place in the console wars, but they've got money. That's good enough for Sega to keep developing those games.

XBox doesn't show signs of revival in Japan. They're even with PS2 (after pathetic sales) in EU but that's not surprising. It's like a second XBox launch for the EU. Granted depressing overseas sales might not matter since Sega's strongest territory is probably America.

Retro's probably better than the bulk of developers.

[ May 10, 2002, 09:26 PM: Message edited by: King of the Jungle ]

05-10-2002, 11:18 PM

Sorry for going off topic, but I just can't understand why so many good games are ignored, by any means JSRF and GV are both awesome games yet ignored and sales really dont' reflect it value but then again if an awesome game like ICO also bombs worse yet on a big userbase, I find it hard to understand sometimes what the mass of gamers really are? Fickle(?), stupid(?), ignorant(?) or just plain one track minded controlled by I don't know who their leader is.

Anyways, enough of my rant, I guess you guys are right, really is a stupid move for Sega to just dump Xbox like that. Not when the Box is showing signs of life and with the rumor price cut, sales could pick up.

05-11-2002, 12:47 AM

It's called sarcasm. Although the immediate reaction was "We bought Retro... Rare's next." Um, yeah.

Quality doesn't make Sega #1. They gotta topple EA, repeatedly, to get to that position.

Sega's overextending themselves on the Xbox like they did on the Dreamcast.

Hehe, still amused by this last place stuff.

Anyone counting Xbox out of Japan already is an idiot. My understanding is they're tied with PS2 in Europe since launch, not since the price drop. Although either way people did overdramatize the situation there.

Retro's probably better than Titus.

05-11-2002, 01:41 PM

With the direction the market has gone in the past generation, that sounds about right JM.

Even the hardcore XBox fanboys have counted it out in Japan.

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According to Microsoft, mere days after the continent-wide Xbox price reduction, sales of the Xbox have picked up dramatically. According to data from ChartTrack, as of April 29, the Xbox represented 49% of the next generation console market in the UK for that week. The numbers are just as optimistic in France (46%) and Germany (55%).

If sales were as good as you claim, they wouldn't have dropped their extortionist prices.

05-11-2002, 02:52 PM

It's gonna get beat by Sony in Japan. That's a given. But being behind Nintendo isn't settled. Not that Nintendo's gonna be huge or anything.

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From the press release:
Based on week-to-week sales since launch, Xbox represents 49% of the next generation console market in the United Kingdom, 46% in France and 55% in Germany.

That's why I'm skeptical about the interpretation as you've posted it. Furthermore, the price was dropped because it missed expectations, not because it was doing pathetically.

05-11-2002, 03:34 PM

They're literally the new DC of Japan.

I didn't write that quote actually.

The first one directly states those are the stats only for a week. The second one isn't as clear (it could mean either) even if it implies something different. So I'm thinking the first one is right assuming both are truthful.

You don't drop the prices that much unless sales are far below what you've expected. Many others called the performance pathetic though.

Pikahobbes · 05-11-2002, 05:07 PM

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Originally posted by Jedi Knight JM:
Sorry for going off topic, but I just can't understand why so many good games are ignored, by any means JSRF and GV are both awesome games yet ignored and sales really dont' reflect it value but then again if an awesome game like ICO also bombs worse yet on a big userbase, I find it hard to understand sometimes what the mass of gamers really are? Fickle(?), stupid(?), ignorant(?) or just plain one track minded controlled by I don't know who their leader is.

Anyways, enough of my rant, I guess you guys are right, really is a stupid move for Sega to just dump Xbox like that. Not when the Box is showing signs of life and with the rumor price cut, sales could pick up.

They're both for Xbox. Xbox gamers couldn't care less about Sega. All they want is Halo 2.(Can't really blame them either)

-Hobbes
Gunslinger

"C'mon, Dance for me"-Gilder

05-11-2002, 06:17 PM

I know you didn't write it. I questioned it the first time you posted it.

The first one came directly from the second one.

You can drop the prices that much if doing so still makes your system tied for the most expensive on the market.

05-12-2002, 11:47 AM

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Originally posted by Gilder the Blue Rogue:
They're both for Xbox. Xbox gamers couldn't care less about Sega. All they want is Halo 2.(Can't really blame them either)[/QB]

Which is sad, noh? HHmm which brings me to the point, hey it does makes sense if Sega does ditch Xbox, I mean their games haven't been exactly selling well on Xbox so if Shenmue 2X and Panzer Dragoon Orta both have miserable sales on Xbox, then that could be the last straw for Sega.

Xbox is having a pathetic showing in Japan, GC owns Xbox in Japan, unless something happens that will alter things now and in the future. All M$ can do is keep lowering the price and hope that one game which will propel itself to overtake GC. Sega doesn't help, their hated in Japan.

05-12-2002, 01:12 PM

GC doesn't own anything in Japan. Nor does Nintendo for that matter. Nor in Europe for that matter. Nintendo's strong territory is America. Same as Xbox.

Sega's got a better reputation in Japan than here.

pzirm · 05-12-2002, 01:54 PM

PSX owns XBOX.

05-09-2002, 04:46 PM	#1
JM Guest Posts: n/a Points: 0 Bank: 0 Total Points: 0 Donate	I have read from some sites that on E3, Sega will announce that it will drop Xbox once its games that are in production have been done and released. Thus focus its resources on both PS2 and GC, after then, its Sega Xbox games will be ported to both machines with once again the empshasis on demographics-age trends for both system. To me, seems strange why Sega would do this, but looking at it, its logical in a way. Since Xbox is lagging behind in Japan and Eu, plus the fact that PS2 has the same audience that Xbox has but 7 times bigger, so it may be more profitable to downsize its production by ditching one system and going with two system that is sure to have all the age market covered. However, it may not be in Sega's interest to cut its ties with MS and Xbox like that, streaming money will be hard to resist [img]smile.gif[/img] If all these are true, it will be interesting to see how M$ will react, methinks they will do everything to keep Sega, cause Xbox will look bad in the industry and might start a domino effect amongts 3rd parties. So what do you ppl think, truth or BS? Truth shall be revealed in E3, show is getting better every day even if it hasn't started yet [ May 09, 2002, 04:49 PM: Message edited by: Jedi Knight JM ]

05-09-2002, 04:58 PM	#2
SSacobie Guest Posts: n/a Points: 0 Bank: 0 Total Points: 0 Donate	As I understand it, this rumor originated on the Fatbabies message board (may have been elsewhere and that's just the first place I'd seen sourced). I'm going to wait until they lose some weight. As has been said before, the EU situation has been overdone. Since launch, they've been about even with PS2. Japan's another story, but I think everyone knew that would take a while to get going (as it is, they already hold the record for foreign consumer electronics products launches). Sega at this time is supporting Microsoft the most. How they go from most to none is beyond me. Furthermore, how do you beat EA when EA's supporting everything? Footshooting.

05-09-2002, 05:23 PM	#3
shou amabane Guest Posts: n/a Points: 0 Bank: 0 Total Points: 0 Donate	lol maybe Nintendo fans were tired of hearing all these rumors about Rare leaving Nintendo so they just started this rumor about Sega leaving Microsoft.

05-09-2002, 06:13 PM	#6
SSacobie Guest Posts: n/a Points: 0 Bank: 0 Total Points: 0 Donate	Nintendo fans aren't worried about Rare. They got Retro. Consumer electronics products isn't just limited to games. There are companies like IBM involved, too. I wouldn't bother mentioning it if it were just teeny companies like Atari and 3DO. If you wanna be #1, you gotta beat #1. That's EA.

05-09-2002, 06:42 PM	#7
JM Guest Posts: n/a Points: 0 Bank: 0 Total Points: 0 Donate	Isn't Retro what it wasn't hyped up to be? But Nintendo fans sure are funny sometimes, days after all those RARE talks, they declare that RARE isn't really good and overrated developer. Tells RARE, go leave we don't need you." Says bye bye to all those great games that built N64. My bad, I was just strictly concerned with games. That's Sega's role now, and they would know better how to use the ESPN product, its all set for an even bigger war. EA has Fox, Sega has ESPN.

05-09-2002, 08:24 PM	#8
Pikahobbes Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Gender: Posts: 4,676 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 2,292.88 Bank: 510.00 Total Points: 2,802.88 Donate	Sega is #1 Shane. They make every genre. And most of their games are good. -Hobbes "C'mon, Dance for me"-Gilder [ May 09, 2002, 08:24 PM: Message edited by: Gilder the Blue Rogue ]

05-10-2002, 09:02 PM	#9
pzirm Not a cheapskate. Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: My Palace. Posts: 6,610 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 283.00 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 283.00 Donate	Bull **** rumor. No true. Even though most of Sega's games on XBOX have been overwhelming flops (GV, JSF), Sega would be stupid to abandon XBOX.

05-10-2002, 09:25 PM	#10
Mushroommarioman Guest Posts: n/a Points: 0 Bank: 0 Total Points: 0 Donate	It's BS like the Rare rumor. XBox is in last place in the console wars, but they've got money. That's good enough for Sega to keep developing those games. XBox doesn't show signs of revival in Japan. They're even with PS2 (after pathetic sales) in EU but that's not surprising. It's like a second XBox launch for the EU. Granted depressing overseas sales might not matter since Sega's strongest territory is probably America. Retro's probably better than the bulk of developers. [ May 10, 2002, 09:26 PM: Message edited by: King of the Jungle ]

05-10-2002, 11:18 PM	#11
JM Guest Posts: n/a Points: 0 Bank: 0 Total Points: 0 Donate	Sorry for going off topic, but I just can't understand why so many good games are ignored, by any means JSRF and GV are both awesome games yet ignored and sales really dont' reflect it value but then again if an awesome game like ICO also bombs worse yet on a big userbase, I find it hard to understand sometimes what the mass of gamers really are? Fickle(?), stupid(?), ignorant(?) or just plain one track minded controlled by I don't know who their leader is. Anyways, enough of my rant, I guess you guys are right, really is a stupid move for Sega to just dump Xbox like that. Not when the Box is showing signs of life and with the rumor price cut, sales could pick up.

05-11-2002, 12:47 AM	#12
SSacobie Guest Posts: n/a Points: 0 Bank: 0 Total Points: 0 Donate	It's called sarcasm. Although the immediate reaction was "We bought Retro... Rare's next." Um, yeah. Quality doesn't make Sega #1. They gotta topple EA, repeatedly, to get to that position. Sega's overextending themselves on the Xbox like they did on the Dreamcast. Hehe, still amused by this last place stuff. Anyone counting Xbox out of Japan already is an idiot. My understanding is they're tied with PS2 in Europe since launch, not since the price drop. Although either way people did overdramatize the situation there. Retro's probably better than Titus.

05-11-2002, 03:34 PM	#15
Mushroommarioman Guest Posts: n/a Points: 0 Bank: 0 Total Points: 0 Donate	They're literally the new DC of Japan. I didn't write that quote actually. The first one directly states those are the stats only for a week. The second one isn't as clear (it could mean either) even if it implies something different. So I'm thinking the first one is right assuming both are truthful. You don't drop the prices that much unless sales are far below what you've expected. Many others called the performance pathetic though.

05-11-2002, 06:17 PM	#17
SSacobie Guest Posts: n/a Points: 0 Bank: 0 Total Points: 0 Donate	I know you didn't write it. I questioned it the first time you posted it. The first one came directly from the second one. You can drop the prices that much if doing so still makes your system tied for the most expensive on the market.

05-12-2002, 01:12 PM	#19
SSacobie Guest Posts: n/a Points: 0 Bank: 0 Total Points: 0 Donate	GC doesn't own anything in Japan. Nor does Nintendo for that matter. Nor in Europe for that matter. Nintendo's strong territory is America. Same as Xbox. Sega's got a better reputation in Japan than here.

05-12-2002, 01:54 PM	#20
pzirm Not a cheapskate. Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: My Palace. Posts: 6,610 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 283.00 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 283.00 Donate	PSX owns XBOX.