I've lost all respect for any Sonic the hedgehog merchandise now...

[sladd54]

DAMN YOU, SONIC HEROES!

That's the dumbest excuse for a sonic game EVER!

I played the first one, thought it was awesome, good story, pretty good graphics(for dreamcast into gamecube) and it's awesome how you choose characters

The 2nd one was even better, BETTER story, BETTER graphics, BETTER characters, BETTER EVERYTHING

Then when I heard in Sonic Heroes you play as three characters at once I was thinking "WOAH! I HAVE TO GET THIS GAME!" the more i looked into it, the cooler it sounded.

then when i finally got it...

NO story(come on, would you call that a story? you barely even see metal sonic throughout the whole game!) SAME GRAPHICS AS SONIC DX(in the game, not in the cut scenes)

AND THE WORST THING!

tails's voice...

WHAT THE HELL IS UP WITH IT? HIS VOICE IN SONIC BATTLE WAS WAY BETTER!

(If thery ever make one) Sonic 4 better be ALOT better, or else I ain't buying any more games

(sonic advance 2 sucked, not buying 3 or 1)

[L007 is Undecided]

I'm going to hunt you down....

And stab you in the face...

For insulting ANY Sonic game...


Visit Chao Adventures in the Comix Thread! Go and read them, now!

[Wonder Wario]

Originally posted by Sean, climbing the wishing tree:
DAMN YOU, SONIC HEROES!

That's the dumbest excuse for a sonic game EVER!

I played the first one, thought it was awesome, good story, pretty good graphics(for dreamcast into gamecube) and it's awesome how you choose characters

The 2nd one was even better, BETTER story, BETTER graphics, BETTER characters, BETTER EVERYTHING

Then when I heard in Sonic Heroes you play as three characters at once I was thinking "WOAH! I HAVE TO GET THIS GAME!" the more i looked into it, the cooler it sounded.

then when i finally got it...

NO story(come on, would you call that a story? you barely even see metal sonic throughout the whole game!) SAME GRAPHICS AS SONIC DX(in the game, not in the cut scenes)

AND THE WORST THING!

tails's voice...

WHAT THE HELL IS UP WITH IT? HIS VOICE IN SONIC BATTLE WAS WAY BETTER!

(If thery ever make one) Sonic 4 better be ALOT better, or else I ain't buying any more games

(sonic advance 2 sucked, not buying 3 or 1)

Alright sparkey. You could have calmley explained why you don't like SH, but instead you started babbling and flamming like an idiot. Believe it or not, some people (namely me) PREFER Sonic Heroes becasue it did'nt have some huge annoying story to get in the way. Tails new voice is MUCH better than the old one who sounded like a robot, and the graphics are MUNDO better than the original SA.

Next time you wanna make yourself look like a moron, feel free to make a topic like this again. I'll be waiting. [img]tongue.gif[/img] .

[Viceroy Nute Gunray]

What do you mean by "the first one"? Sonic Adventure DX is not the first one, neither is Sonic Adventure 2: Battle...

Originally posted by Sean, climbing the wishing tree:


NO story(come on, would you call that a story? you barely even see metal sonic throughout the whole game!)

Well, it's true that the story truly sucks, but since when does Metal Sonic have to appear for it to qualify as a story? That just like saying if Ganondorf doesn't appear in the Zelda story, then it has no story. Guess Four Swords Adventures loses then.

Originally posted by Sean, climbing the wishing tree:
SAME GRAPHICS AS SONIC DX(in the game, not in the cut scenes)

No.

Originally posted by Sean, climbing the wishing tree:

(sonic advance 2 sucked, not buying 3 or 1)

Ignorant n00b.

[Mariosrpg89]

Well, there is no story. Your right. But..the graphics? You really have to check your eyes. Personally I like the game a lot, and I dont care if you HATE it, but...dont complain like an idiot next time.

[sladd54]

Oh yeah,s ome stuff I left out

The only reason I said the graphics were horrible was because the cut scenes(not the high graphic ones that show up like 4 times, but the ones at the beginning of levels) reminded me too much of sonic dx, so i said that

calm down, I'm not an idiot for hating a game, people

and some more things i hate about this

leveling up, you have do this EVERY LEVEL, I thought you level up and then you get stronger, kinda like an rpg, so i thought that was cool, then i started off as my weak ass first level power

and why do the robots suddenly look like eggman and have helath?(they looked cooler in sonic battle)

and Tail's voice didn't sound like a robot, but now it just sounds like a little kid (which he happens to be) so...I guess that was sega's mistake

and everyone I know who played sonic advance 2 said it sucked, because

1. sky canyon is too hard, and the best character for it (knuckles) is the one you unlock after beating it

2. you have to UNLOCK the chao garden, but in #1 you got it automatically

3. it's boring looking for the ring thingys that get you to the bonus stage to get the chaos emeralds

and sorry i got pissed off, but I could've bought a BETTER gamecube game instead of this no story, boring, sega reject

[Dark Magus]

Originally posted by Sean the grandma slayer:
Oh yeah,s ome stuff I left out

The only reason I said the graphics were horrible was because the cut scenes(not the high graphic ones that show up like 4 times, but the ones at the beginning of levels) reminded me too much of sonic dx, so i said that

WTF?

calm down, I'm not an idiot for hating a game, people

Your first post fooled me.

leveling up, you have do this EVERY LEVEL, I thought you level up and then you get stronger, kinda like an rpg, so i thought that was cool, then i started off as my weak ass first level power

Leveling up is optional. And by my experience, it doesn't make that much of a difference (besides the score you get after the level).

and why do the robots suddenly look like eggman and have helath?(they looked cooler in sonic battle)

Actually, I admit being curious about the health too. Maybe they figured enemies were too easy to defeat in the earlier games? As for the bots that look like Eggman, I think they've appeared in some of the other Sonic games (Sonic R, and either Sonic 3 or Sonic and Knuckles. I can't recall which).

and Tail's voice didn't sound like a robot, but now it just sounds like a little kid (which he happens to be) so...I guess that was sega's mistake

Yeah, his voice wasn't that good.

and everyone I know who played sonic advance 2 said it sucked, because

1. sky canyon is too hard, and the best character for it (knuckles) is the one you unlock after beating it

2. you have to UNLOCK the chao garden, but in #1 you got it automatically

3. it's boring looking for the ring thingys that get you to the bonus stage to get the chaos emeralds

1) I don't know about you, but I would never complain about a Sonic level being too hard. Have you played some of the older games?

2) I wouldn't know about this, since I don't own Advance 2, but the Mini Chao Garden in Advance 1 sucked enough.

3)Have you played any of the Genesis games?

and sorry i got pissed off, but I could've bought a BETTER gamecube game instead of this no story, boring, sega reject

Holy crap. Sonic games don't need storylines. Go play the Sega Genesis Sonic games (or buy Sonic Mega Collection) and repent, fool.

[Glyph Phoenix]

I like story. If a game has no story, I won't like it as much. Unless it's one heck of a good game, like Melee of course. And the Sonic games for Genesis DID have story! It just wasn't done through text. It was done through the instruction manual and through the characters' actions. For example, I really liked the scene in Sonic and Knuckles where Robotnik takes the Master Emerald. You could actually attack Robotnik in it, but he grabs the emerald and gets away anyway.

The part about the boring ring thingies made me laugh. Collecting rings to open stages to collect Chaos Emeralds isn't just a part of Sonic games, that's almost Sonic itself. Rings = Special Stages = Chaos Emeralds = Good Ending. In Sonic Adventure I recall playing a stage in the casino where it went Special Stages(pinball) = Rings = Chaos Emerald, and Sonic Adventure 2: Battle had you collecting the Chaos Emeralds as part of the plotline instead of as optional stages, but that's generally the way it goes.

Would you like them to remove the "boring" boss battles too? Would you like to fight just giant versions of old enemies that are much bigger this time? Why don't we take away the speed too. Oh, it would be much more fun if Sonic just walked everywhere, wouldn't it? (In case you don't know, that's sarcasm.)

I don't have Sonic Heroes, so I won't go over some of these points, but I played a demo and I really didn't like Tails' voice. Tails' voice from Sonic Adventure 2: Battle was my favorite. That's exactly what I'd imagine Tails would sound like.

Now I'll stop talking before my post gets in the way of L007's stabbity rage.

[sladd54]

Sonic Heroes is just bad compared to the others, simply put, that was what i was trying to say

[ July 29, 2004, 04:21 PM: Message edited by: Sean the grandma slayer ]

[Introbulus]

Well, I'll admit that Sonic Adventure 2 was a tough act to follow up, but I'd also like to say that Sonic Heroes ain't so bad in my opinion.

I mean, sure it's a little harder than the last two, but then again, that's usually how a sequil is supposed to be, I think...Xp Or at least games that come after other games.

I still haven't gotten the chaos emeralds though...Xp

Just remmeber, it's a matter of opinion. I never met a game I didn't like.

Except Donkey Kong Math. Xp

[JoeTheSnifit]

^You're right except for the harder part.

[L007 is Undecided]

Originally posted by Glyph Phoenix:
Now I'll stop talking before my post gets in the way of L007's stabbity rage.

RRRAAAAAAAWRRRRRRRHGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!! **Runs around with a knife and sword** NO ONE INSULTS TAILS!

I liked the voice of Tails, even though I only played the demo. (I'm trying to con Shane into getting me Sonic Heroes, heh )

(Insult Tails and die.)
Visit Chao Adventures in the Comix Thread! Go and read them, now!

[Hoshiko1256]

^ u go nights! no one should ever make fun of tails! *huggles tails*

:3

[Codiekitty]

How come nobody here here has even mentioned the gameplay of Sonic Heroes? Okay, some of you mentioned difficulty. The rest of you are dabbling about the story, graphics, music, and Tails' voice with a dab of the difficulty level on the side. From what it sounds like, the story, graphics, music, and Tails' voice are all you guys are judging the games by, with a couple of you caring about the difficulty levels of the games.

And then when Sean brings up something, the rest of you say "WRONG" with no particular reason why he's "wrong". For example, Sean says "The graphics aren't as good as Sonic Adventure 2". Random Dude comes along and says "WRONGO. The graphics of Sonic Heroes are MUCH better than those of Sonic Adventure 2." and nothing more. Would either of you care to explain how one looks better than the other?

Okay, there was the Difficulty comment Dark Magus made. But can you explain just HOW the Genesis games are harder than the GCN ones? For me, it probably has to do with stupid level designs. From what I played of the GCN ones, you could see what you were doing. In the original ones, you had to know EXACTLY how to do the levels, or else you'd be constantly running into enemies and those ball-and-chains, or else you'd run out of time. And I hated the method of getting the Chaos Emeralds in Sonic 3.

You people who are insulting the guy for flaming a game he disliked that you happened to like are no better than he is. He wasn't even insulting you, just the game.

Maybe his reasons are kind far-fetched. Intelligently argue with him. You don't look good when you're flaming him for having his own opinion.

Sean, the same goes for you, although you haven't been flaming other people, just the game. Calm down a little, buddy? [img]smile.gif[/img]

The only Sonic Heroes I've played was the demo on the Double Dash bonus disc. I've barely played Sonic Adventures 1 and 2. I haven't played any of the Sonic Advance games. Don't look at me to defend or attack any of these games.

If you want me to be perfectly honest, even though I keep buying the games, I just plain dislike Sonic games.


Where are these lemmings going? The Super Nintendo Super Shire! Hop in line and follow them there!

[Introbulus]

I didn't mind the emerald collection method of Sonic 3. Though that's probably mostly because I could actually do it. Xp Heh...

[Hoshiko1256]

ok, codie kitty. i have to agree a bit with u on what u said. the guys were a bit harsh to sean, but there's obvious reason y everyone is saying sonic hero's looks better than SA2.

if u look at SA2 u'll see things r very edgy around the corners and it makes everyone look pointy and stuff. the movements also r not the best as their hand may go through a wall of something.

in SH, the graphics r more toned down and make things look smoother. everything looks more real to life in the bg rather than sharp and cartoonish, in my opinion. with their movements it looks much better. i mean they took time to make cream's ears flop about. i'm not so sure it would've been the same in SA2, ya know?

:3

[Legion]

Personally, I thought Sonic Heroes was a very average game. The grinding was.... just horrible. The camera was little better. The controls were improved from SA2:B's annoying double jump glitch. But what was the point in telling you exactly what character to use? Surely the fun would be in figuring it out for yourself, instead of being spoon-fed all the information.

Plus, the levels stank of lazyness. They could ahve at least changed the layout for each team, instead of replecating them with slightly different objectives and difficulties. At the most, they could have given each team their own levels. You know, so you aren't playing exactly the same stages over and over again.

The voice acting was horrible, though still slightly better than on the previous two 3D incarnations. For some reason, the Fly characters were always the most annoying. But that's minor stuff, really.

I just generally didn't enjoy Heroes as much as the other Sonic games. And I can't remember the Mega Drive Sonic games having the probelm of being too fast. At least not often enough to detract from the game. Usually, the hazardous areas were broken up so you couldn't die stupidly like that. I had that problem more with the Advance games, whcih byh the way, I thought were average as well.

That's just my opinion. But unfortunately, it seems Sonic Team has twigged that now they can churn out and old rubbish under the Sonic moniker, and the fans will buy it.

[Hoshiko1256]

yeah...that whole thing was kind of bad. i mean i beat team amy first so when i went back to beat the game with them, i knew what was coming. so it wasn't a big surprise for me.

:3

[Wonder Wario]

When you's right, you's right Codie. Time fer me to apologize.

Sean, I apologize for the way I flammed you after you posted. But next time, don't flame when you're upset about something, which I should work on too. We cool?