Sonic Heroes, why all the bashing?

The Luigi Man · 10-28-2004, 08:34 PM

One thing I don't understand is why so many people bash Sonic Heroes. Why?

JoeTheSnifit · 10-28-2004, 10:09 PM

It's not exactly that the game isn't good. It just isn't as good as other Sonic games.

**X-3** · 10-29-2004, 07:10 AM

These are what I found:

1. People like Raccing as Sonic, then turning into Tails or Knucles.

2. I forgot this for a moment.

[ October 29, 2004, 04:05 PM: Message edited by: X-3 Zero ]

Hoshiko1256 · 10-29-2004, 07:59 PM

i'm not sure either. i think it looks great and i love the team idea. i think they just get annoyed that u go through the levels four times only with other players. i think that's the main reason y.

some other things r that they didn't like the levels...it's stupid of ppl to stop being fans of sonic just 'cuz of one game...all games have their bad games as well.

:3

SEGA-GIRL · 10-30-2004, 09:24 AM

I knew I wasn't gonna like this game when I first saw the screenshots and read info about it. I just think the game is boring and not fun at all.

**X-3** · 10-30-2004, 10:19 AM

Now, let me explain something for all you people who are like, "Mesa tired of Level repeats."......

Who cares? They make the Levels a bit different. Another thing. SOnic Adventure used Level repeats.

SONIC: Emerald Coast

E-102: Emerald Coast

BIG: Emerald Coast

Why do all you people complain about Level repeats in Sonic Heroes, when its there in SA?

Hoshiko1256 · 10-30-2004, 01:33 PM

^ i guess it was because they didn't mind too much with sa cuz it was a new thing, then sa2B was a little bit like that and then sonic heroes was even "worse" sort to speak, ya know?

:3

Viceroy Nute Gunray · 11-03-2004, 06:59 PM

Yeah, i'm sure the two main reasons are the "story" (Come on, that is NOT a story) and the levels are basically the same for all 4 teams, even though the Chaotix are a bit different.

MAtgSy · 11-04-2004, 01:42 AM

To sum up what I've heard:

1. Still god-awful dialouge

2. Still not a pure 3D Sonic game (We don't need anything else besides High speed gameplay)

3.Music not as good

4. Too many bottemless areas (I'm begining to think Eggman really did fire the Eclipse Cannon on Earth, there just ain't that much of it left!)

5. Not as much plot (Of course I think this is a plus, but alot of other hate this fact)

6. Rouge's boobs are smaller (I'm sure someone said that somewhere <_< >_&gt

7. What plot is there is confusing (What was the point of all those clones? They didn't do anything)

8. Tails' new voice

9. No Mighty

10. No real flow (Team play could've been smoother)

*SPOILERS*

11. Only Sonic went Super, defeating the whole team theme purpose right there & then.

12. No Team Metal

*END SPOILERS*

**Loot** · 11-04-2004, 07:15 AM

To respond to ^

1. It's translated from JAPANESE, At least it was translated.

2. What, you haven't played the Adventure games? I only played the demo of Heroes (>_&gt

But they are still decent.

3. You insult What I'm Made Of?

4. Please. Haven't you played the last few stages on Sonic Adventure 2 for Hero and Dark story? There was nothing BUT pits.

5. Don't need a plot to enjoy a game!

6. v_v

7. It was to help with the plot so Adventure 3 may exist.

8. I think it's cute.

9. Mighty was only a Sonic lookalike. Plus he had both speed and power, so Sega probably didn't know where to put him.

10. So?

11. Like I said, Sonic Adventure 2.

12. Again, so?

**X-3** · 11-04-2004, 07:29 AM

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Originally posted by Mikeachu:
To sum up what I've heard:

3.Music not as good

Listen, just how far have you got in rhis game? The music is much better, much better then Knuckles's crap theame from SA2 and SA.

Codiekitty · 11-04-2004, 06:15 PM

Because those people have played enough games that their standards are higher than "Well, it's a Sonic game. And Shadow's playable. Oh, and it's in 3D! BEST GAME EVA!"

Where are these lemmings going? The Super Nintendo Super Shire! Hop in line and follow them there!

**X-3** · 11-07-2004, 11:19 AM

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Originally posted by CodieKitty:
Because those people have played enough games that their standards are higher than "Well, it's a Sonic game. And Shadow's playable. Oh, and it's in 3D! BEST GAME EVA!"[

Funny, I just bought the game because I liked Sonic Games. Plus they have great music.

In fact, I didnt know if SH was going to be good.

First time I saw it I was like, "How are you going to control the team?", later, it got more and more interesting, so I bought it for the GCN. I liked it. Some people didnt. I heard that the GCN version was the best, but that was from Game Spot, which gives crap ratings for games.

Hoshiko1256 · 11-07-2004, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by X-3 Zero:
I heard that the GCN version was the best, but that was from Game Spot, which gives crap ratings for games.

yeah, i think it was the best for gcn because it would be easier to handle than the xbox or the ps2. but then again...i just don't like xbox and ps2 isn't my fav. either (but i do like it more than xbox).

and wasn't originally made just for gcn and then they made it for the other two systems as well? it would make sense if they did and gcn is better than the other two versions.

:3

Curtis Bonds · 11-07-2004, 04:03 PM

Because it sucks.

Hoshiko1256 · 11-09-2004, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Curtis Sage:
Because it sucks.

oh yes, that'll make tons of ppl believe u

:3

MAtgSy · 11-11-2004, 10:20 PM

Quote:

To respond to ^

1. It's translated from JAPANESE, At least it was translated.

2. What, you haven't played the Adventure games? I only played the demo of Heroes (>_&gt

But they are still decent.

3. You insult What I'm Made Of?

4. Please. Haven't you played the last few stages on Sonic Adventure 2 for Hero and Dark story? There was nothing BUT pits.

5. Don't need a plot to enjoy a game!

6. v_v

7. It was to help with the plot so Adventure 3 may exist.

8. I think it's cute.

9. Mighty was only a Sonic lookalike. Plus he had both speed and power, so Sega probably didn't know where to put him.

10. So?

11. Like I said, Sonic Adventure 2.

12. Again, so?

1. Yeah, but after the translation, they should have an American writer edit it to something that sounds easier on english ears.

2. The Adventures have shooting, treasure hunting, fishing & it was all nessasary to play in order to progress. If you only played the demo, then you didn't see stage 2 where your in Power formation for 95% of the time & it doesn't get much better afterwards. & then there's Team Chaotix stages (ugh...)

3. No, but I insult every other boss thing, all the stage themes & the themes of Team Sonic & Rose.

4. Those were in space! In SH you falling to your doom in a ****ing jungle! Also falling in SA2 is the player's fault. In SH, it seems like there are some design flaws with the stage layouts or physics. It's especally noticable when playing as Omega, he falls off the edges of cliffs way more than the other characters, which can't be right.

5. Yeah, but a lot of people complain about this so I felt like adding it here.

6. ^-^ *is running out of directions to look in*

7. Except for the fact that Omega destroys the ship & everything on it after the end of the game.

8. It's weird & hard to get use to.

9. I'd go with power given the name (Knux was quite speedy too back in the day) & again, this is a common complain I had to add.

10. So that's way made Sonic games good to begin with, an even pace through-out the game. Here you stopped dead in your tracks after finally getting going & have to change to another team member. It's quite annoying & disruptive.

11. The purpose of the rivalry concept wasn't defeated in SA2, both Sonic & Shadow (the most imporant rivalry in the game)gone to their Super forms. The team theme was a defeated purpose because 2/3 of the main team did not go Super. To make it worse, Knuckles & Tails have been in Super forms in the past. There's no reason why those forms shouldn't have been brought back & no way the thought of doing such had not crossed the minds of a single Sonic Team member during the course of the games development.

12. Well I've been wanting to see Eggman's best bots united against the heroes since long before SH was anounced. I even posted a fan fic about that on this board years ago. With the team gimmick in SH & the teaser of Metal Sonic's return, I thought it would be great to see Metal Knuckles & Tails Doll return as well.

**X-3** · 11-12-2004, 03:01 PM

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Originally posted by Mikeachu:

11. Only Sonic went Super, defeating the whole team theme purpose right there & then.

It still had team work. Sonic team was just so Damn lazy to make them look like their Super Forms.

Besides, I think Knuckles was pink.

Tails and Knuckles still fought, so the team purpose was still there.

Hoshiko1256 · 11-12-2004, 06:25 PM

tails has a super form?! 0_0

y didn't i know about this? -.-UUU

now i feel bad that i didn't know another thing about my tai tai *huggles him*

:3

Crescent Kirby · 11-13-2004, 04:58 PM

*sighs* Ohhh god. How can I fit all of it into one big list...Here we go:

1. You are forced to play team gameplay. You can't play as just Sonic, or just Tails, you have to play as TEAM Sonic.

2. Tails' new voice actor is a five-year old toddler with a cold.

3. Lots of out-of-character quotes/cheesy quotes, for example(MINOR SPOILERS):

Sonic: Because we're Sonic heroes!

4. The levels are ALL repeats in the same order. I didn't mind the Sonic Adventure thing since it was not a complete repeat, but it's just same level after same level after same level.

5. Lame secrets. I mean, you don't get secret costumes or old games(SPOILERS FOR OTHER GAME), only different multiplayer modes!

6. Big. 'Nuff said.

7. The age-unage thing. I mean, first Charmy's a well-respected gentleman of 16, now he's a stupid little kid!

8. No real plot whatsoever. You're just trying to stop Eggman with no real meaning.

9. I think it seemed kinda rushed.

10-28-2004, 08:34 PM	#1
The Luigi Man Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: PA, US Gender: Posts: 4,551 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	One thing I don't understand is why so many people bash Sonic Heroes. Why?

10-28-2004, 10:09 PM	#2
JoeTheSnifit Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Wouldnt , Youliketoknow Posts: 813 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	It's not exactly that the game isn't good. It just isn't as good as other Sonic games.

10-29-2004, 07:10 AM	#3
X-3 Useful as an Owl Join Date: Jan 2004 Gender: Posts: 15,947 Thanks: 753 Thanked 1,213 Times in 790 Posts Blog Entries: 10	These are what I found: 1. People like Raccing as Sonic, then turning into Tails or Knucles. 2. I forgot this for a moment. [ October 29, 2004, 04:05 PM: Message edited by: X-3 Zero ]

10-29-2004, 07:59 PM	#4
Hoshiko1256 Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: even i dunno Posts: 675 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	i'm not sure either. i think it looks great and i love the team idea. i think they just get annoyed that u go through the levels four times only with other players. i think that's the main reason y. some other things r that they didn't like the levels...it's stupid of ppl to stop being fans of sonic just 'cuz of one game...all games have their bad games as well. :3

10-30-2004, 09:24 AM	#5
SEGA-GIRL Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Philadelphia, Pa. Posts: 1,293 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I knew I wasn't gonna like this game when I first saw the screenshots and read info about it. I just think the game is boring and not fun at all.

10-30-2004, 10:19 AM	#6
X-3 Useful as an Owl Join Date: Jan 2004 Gender: Posts: 15,947 Thanks: 753 Thanked 1,213 Times in 790 Posts Blog Entries: 10	Now, let me explain something for all you people who are like, "Mesa tired of Level repeats."...... Who cares? They make the Levels a bit different. Another thing. SOnic Adventure used Level repeats. SONIC: Emerald Coast E-102: Emerald Coast BIG: Emerald Coast Why do all you people complain about Level repeats in Sonic Heroes, when its there in SA?

10-30-2004, 01:33 PM	#7
Hoshiko1256 Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: even i dunno Posts: 675 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	^ i guess it was because they didn't mind too much with sa cuz it was a new thing, then sa2B was a little bit like that and then sonic heroes was even "worse" sort to speak, ya know? :3

11-03-2004, 06:59 PM	#8
Viceroy Nute Gunray Fallen Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: new york Gender: Posts: 35,822 Thanks: 187 Thanked 129 Times in 92 Posts	Yeah, i'm sure the two main reasons are the "story" (Come on, that is NOT a story) and the levels are basically the same for all 4 teams, even though the Chaotix are a bit different.

11-04-2004, 01:42 AM	#9
MAtgSy Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Rio Rancho, NM, U.S.A. Posts: 980 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	To sum up what I've heard: 1. Still god-awful dialouge 2. Still not a pure 3D Sonic game (We don't need anything else besides High speed gameplay) 3.Music not as good 4. Too many bottemless areas (I'm begining to think Eggman really did fire the Eclipse Cannon on Earth, there just ain't that much of it left!) 5. Not as much plot (Of course I think this is a plus, but alot of other hate this fact) 6. Rouge's boobs are smaller (I'm sure someone said that somewhere <_< >_&gt 7. What plot is there is confusing (What was the point of all those clones? They didn't do anything) 8. Tails' new voice 9. No Mighty 10. No real flow (Team play could've been smoother) SPOILERS 11. Only Sonic went Super, defeating the whole team theme purpose right there & then. 12. No Team Metal END SPOILERS

11-04-2004, 07:15 AM	#10
Loot Apparently I'm a mod? Join Date: May 2001 Location: LEGITIMATE BUSINESS Gender: Posts: 13,208 Thanks: 236 Thanked 1,237 Times in 659 Posts	To respond to ^ 1. It's translated from JAPANESE, At least it was translated. 2. What, you haven't played the Adventure games? I only played the demo of Heroes (>_&gt But they are still decent. 3. You insult What I'm Made Of? 4. Please. Haven't you played the last few stages on Sonic Adventure 2 for Hero and Dark story? There was nothing BUT pits. 5. Don't need a plot to enjoy a game! 6. v_v 7. It was to help with the plot so Adventure 3 may exist. 8. I think it's cute. 9. Mighty was only a Sonic lookalike. Plus he had both speed and power, so Sega probably didn't know where to put him. 10. So? 11. Like I said, Sonic Adventure 2. 12. Again, so?

11-04-2004, 06:15 PM	#12
Codiekitty Just Another Face in Red Jumpsuit Join Date: May 2001 Location: Lemmingland Gender: Posts: 19,142 Thanks: 121 Thanked 176 Times in 121 Posts	Because those people have played enough games that their standards are higher than "Well, it's a Sonic game. And Shadow's playable. Oh, and it's in 3D! BEST GAME EVA!" Where are these lemmings going? The Super Nintendo Super Shire! Hop in line and follow them there!

11-07-2004, 04:03 PM	#15
Curtis Bonds Banned Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Because it sucks.

11-12-2004, 06:25 PM	#19
Hoshiko1256 Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: even i dunno Posts: 675 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	tails has a super form?! 0_0 y didn't i know about this? -.-UUU now i feel bad that i didn't know another thing about my tai tai huggles him :3

11-13-2004, 04:58 PM	#20
Crescent Kirby Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Um...LOOK A BABOON Posts: 128 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	sighs Ohhh god. How can I fit all of it into one big list...Here we go: 1. You are forced to play team gameplay. You can't play as just Sonic, or just Tails, you have to play as TEAM Sonic. 2. Tails' new voice actor is a five-year old toddler with a cold. 3. Lots of out-of-character quotes/cheesy quotes, for example(MINOR SPOILERS): Sonic: Because we're Sonic heroes! 4. The levels are ALL repeats in the same order. I didn't mind the Sonic Adventure thing since it was not a complete repeat, but it's just same level after same level after same level. 5. Lame secrets. I mean, you don't get secret costumes or old games(SPOILERS FOR OTHER GAME), only different multiplayer modes! 6. Big. 'Nuff said. 7. The age-unage thing. I mean, first Charmy's a well-respected gentleman of 16, now he's a stupid little kid! 8. No real plot whatsoever. You're just trying to stop Eggman with no real meaning. 9. I think it seemed kinda rushed.