Big Offseason Moves

Cornell J · 03-22-2006, 07:47 PM

-Drew Brees = Saint
- CUlpepper = Dolphin
- Lloyd and Randle EL = Redskins
- Kitna, King, McCown = Lions
- Milloy and Abraham = Falcons
- Ramsey = Jet
- Aaron Brooks = Raider
- Bears take Griese
TO = Cowboy
And I'm sure more that I'm forgetting

Discuss this offseason, and how crazy it's going to be next year, the Vikes still need a QB (they might take Johnson, but he doesn't have too much longer). GRossman may be in trouble for that starting job, Brooks is going to take over in Oakland, which means it's back to the bench for Tui and Walter.
Shaun King and Josh McCown are my favorites to take the starting job in Detroit over Kitna and Orvolosky, and Brunell/Collins having Randle EL, Moss, AND Brandon Lloyd to throw to is pretty big.

**Crazyswordsman** · 03-22-2006, 08:07 PM

Whoa. The Skins may be the next big thing to hit the NFC East.

*sigh* I guess this means no Phillip Rivers on the Jets now, *groans and prays they pick up Vince Young or Reggie Bush, and they won't* -CSM

ShyGuy727 · 03-22-2006, 10:06 PM

Browns are easily going to be the most improved team, as far as offseason moves go- LeCharles Bentley, Willie McGinest, Joe Jurevicius plus some others, mostly on defense, that are improvements on what we previously had there.

Cornell J · 03-22-2006, 10:38 PM

Browns might be able to contend for a wildcard spot, but the AFC North is too tough, I need to see an offense from Cleveland before I take them as contenders.

As for the Skins, they'll be a little more dangerous now, the NFC East will stay a four-way race through the season unless something drastic happens.

The Raiders may be a force to reckon with now that they have a QB that can at least have good days, compared to Kerry COllins who's only good for about 3, then he just drops, with Brooks, you know you'll get at least 7 good games.

Mark Prior · 03-22-2006, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Col. Cornell

GRossman may be in trouble for that starting job

my ass. Grossman is the man in Chicago. No one is taking that job from him. He played well in a big game (read: Carolina), and brought life to a dead offense the instant he took over the job from Orton.

As for Detroit's quarterback carousel, Kitna is gonna win that job. He's far more proven than McCown or Shaun !!!111!!!111!!!111!!!111ing King.

As the New York Mets have proven, doesn't matter how many names you bring in...it's whether the Browns actually get it done or not.

T.O. is the biggest cancer to any team's locker room. He will be good for the first season then start bitching again about a new contract

Cornell J · 03-23-2006, 07:10 PM

You have a point, Griese really isn't that good.

As for Kitna, I don't think he's that good to begin with, I think Martz will take a liking to McCown.

Either way, it should be interesting, I can't wait for September.

ShyGuy727 · 03-23-2006, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Col. Cornell

Browns might be able to contend for a wildcard spot, but the AFC North is too tough, I need to see an offense from Cleveland before I take them as contenders.

Charlie Frye is Roethlisberger part two. Kellen will be back. Braylon will be back. The North is ours

DK · 03-23-2006, 10:39 PM

You were pretty high on Garcia and Dilfer, too, weren't you?

Mark Prior · 03-24-2006, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Col. Cornell

You have a point, Griese really isn't that good.

As for Kitna, I don't think he's that good to begin with, I think Martz will take a liking to McCown.

Either way, it should be interesting, I can't wait for September.

Griese is good. He just won't start. It's Grossman's job to lose.

Kitna's very good. He paved the way for Carson Palmer.

Cornell J · 03-24-2006, 04:28 PM

Browns won't go anywhere till they have an offense, they'll be just like Baltimore was, except they have receivers you can actually name. Charlie Frye will come along in time, but this just isn't his year, Roeth made some big mistakes his rookie year, but his defense helped him out a lot when he made those crucial mistake. It wasn't a damned walk in the park, he was bailed out a LOT, that Cleveland defense will have to be good in order to help Frye. Kitna did do well at first in that playoff game against Pitt, until he remembered who he was and threw 2 bonehead picks. Don't get me started on Kyle Boller either since we're in the north, Anthony Wright did better in those several games than Boller did in years past, I don't think Boller will keep the streak-of-goodness he had going at this year's close, putting out Minnesota for good.

It is Grossman's job to lose, either by sucky play, or hurting himself again, which like many say, I doubt will happen this time.

In new news, Keyshawn Johnson is a Panther, I know that several Saint, Buc, and Falcons fans are pissed. Speaking of Falcons, Mora's contract has been extended 3 years, he better change up that offense, include more shotgun plays.
Niners add to their line.

ShyGuy727 · 03-24-2006, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DK

You were pretty high on Garcia and Dilfer, too, weren't you?

The difference is I'm hyping Charlie and I've actually seen him play in a Browns uniform, unlike Garcia or IBegToDilfer.

Cornell J · 03-24-2006, 08:21 PM

Dilfer sucked in Tampa
Dilfer Sucked in Seattle
Dilfer wouldn't have played in Baltimore if Banks didn't get hurt during practice and blow his shot at winning a SB

DK · 03-24-2006, 08:48 PM

In my opinion, the Browns are worst or second worst-off in the league at quarterback at this point right now (Niners). Frye could be the future, but at this time, he's not it. He needs plenty more time to develop. Then again, so did Carson Palmer. Point is, the Browns aren't going to have an easy time winning under Frye immediately.

nick_madman · 03-24-2006, 08:55 PM

The phins have culpepper and they are goin to the super bowl

DK · 03-24-2006, 09:11 PM

I'd put Culpepper in the bottom half of the starting quarterbacks when he doesn't have Moss. It's hard to tell when he's got Chambers, though. But Randy Moss he is not.

nick_madman · 03-24-2006, 09:15 PM

ok ok u have a point there but the phins do have a rushing game which minnesotta did not so that could help open culpepper up a bit

DK · 03-24-2006, 09:27 PM

Indeed. Ronnie will not only take a good deal of pressure from Pepper but will also open up more PA passing.

Lurch1982 · 03-25-2006, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Col. Cornell

The Raiders may be a force to reckon with now that they have a QB that can at least have good days, compared to Kerry COllins who's only good for about 3, then he just drops, with Brooks, you know you'll get at least 7 good games.

You sir, are a fcuking moron. Brooks is the worst Quarterback in the league. I would sooner hand the future of my franchise in the hands of a journeyman backup. He is not only a terrible quarterback in the clutch, he is also a dumbass who cannot make a proper decision on the field. Lets look at some gems. There's "I'm going to throw the ball to the lineman" multiple times. There's the whole "I threw the ball and it flew 10 yards backwards" deal. But Great One! Those were only isolated incidents. No, they happened numerous times. And on top of that, he can't deliver the ball to his recievers when he does manage to move it forward to an eligable reciever. Joe Horn is a pro-bowl caliber reciever, yet he often found balls being flung well over his head or into the dirt instead of at him. While expecting a perfect throw every time is unrealistic, expecting him to do it with regularity isn't. Brooks is a terrible player, and he's going to last 4 games in Jokeland before Big Mean Al Davis feeds him to the Black Hole.

The Browns have an offense: Drop back, give ball to Reuban Droughns, watch him run, repeat." But you know what, shoring up both lines is a good move. And I promise you this: I'll pick them as the best team in Ohio, especially since the Bungles invested everything in a QB who was effectively THIESMANNED and may never take another snap. As for a reciever I can name: Winslow Jr.

Uh, Grossman has to worry about Orton taking his job, not Griese. Griese is a backup at best. Actually, no. He's the third string. Orton struggled because Lovie Smith is a dumb!!!111!!!111!!!111!!!111 and wouldn't let him get into a passing rhythm. Granted, it worked since they Bears conserved themselves into the playoffs and lost when they bombed it out, but still...the team plays with a different step with Grossman in.

And Kitna is Detroit's starter. Everyone else they signed is actually worse than Harrington. Kitna was arguably just as good of a fit as Palmer in Cincy, and the Bungles dropped the ball by not signing him back because they're invested in a cripple.

The Skins are going to wake up and realize, "We're the Redskins. Brunnell sucks balls, and Randle El is an overpaided slot reciever they're going to attempt to put into second."

Hey, Dumbass? Baltimore won a SUPERBOWL. If the Browns = Baltimore, Shyguy's going to be stoked.

You know who the worst-off team at QB is? Atlanta. Oooooh I said it. Congrats, you have a QB that can make pretty highlite films and get you a .500 season with no playoffs. Starting Schuabb = deep playoff run. Vick is overpaid.

On a more serious note, it would be Miami. Culpepper blew his MCL, ACL, and PCL. If homeboy can even WALK again, its a medical miracle. How exactly is a QB whose supposedly 'mobile' going to work when his knee has been destroyed and surgically repaired. Hell, how is he going to plant to throw the ball? Then you have the whole: "I suck donkey balls when I'm not throwing the rock with Randy on the field" issue to deal with. The only thing that changed in Minnesota last year was Moss leaving, and homeboy looked worse than I do. Actually, I'm pretty sure I'd throw fewer picks before my knee would get destroyed. How do you think he's going to do in Miami with a recieving corps that's worse than Moss-less Minnesota?

In terms of the NFC South: the Saints have had the best offseason. The Bucs...well who gives a sh1t. Same with the falchokes. The Panthers landed Keyshaun. Congrats. That would have ruled when he was good like 7 years ago. The Saints picked up Brees AND have a number 2 overall to play with. They're talking about either grabbing AJ Hawk (best pick in the entire draft IMO) or that beastly OT. Even if they trade down a few spots to some chump-team like the Jets or Raiders, they likely can still get Hawk. Granted, they're the Saints and can still pull a typical Saints move and make a dumb trade, draft another DE/DT, or draft a QB and confuse everyone. If they grab Hawk, they're a wildcard team.

Cornell J · 03-25-2006, 02:23 PM

Actually I was being sarcastic and was making fun of both Collins and Brooks.

Brooks sucks and is inconsistant, and Collins just plain sucks, he sucked in the Superbowl with New York, and he sucked in Oakland, they were doomed when Rich went down against Tampa Bay back in 03.

As for Atlanta, yeah, Vick is overrated, but that's the team's decision, you don't have to impress me with that, I could care less about the Falcons. My team doesn't know whether to start Volek, draft one of the rooks, or even resign McNair.

Toad556 · 03-25-2006, 11:28 PM

If stats is what you want, Vick did have 4-5 games where he supposedly tried to "prove all haters wrong", but the Falcons posted a 2-2 record, despite Vick going 75/121 (62%) for 889 Yards, 7 TD, and INT. The Falcon downfall last season began with the Green Bay loss, and Vick trying to prove people wrong, the second blow was the rape from Carolina, the final blow was the defense losing so many key players.

My point? The Falcons are not the worst team with a QB Situation, Vick'll be fine by the time his legs quit on him, he's showing improvement, however, playing like he is now, WON'T take us to the superbowl, do keep in mind, he's only 25, and will be 26 before the season starts.

As for Schaub, he'll wind up somewhere come next season, Falcons made a smart move keepin him with ol' fragile at the helm.

If you ask me though, Abraham was not an essential pick up, seeing as we already have 3 solid lineman and a growing one. Milloy is a huge addition to a much needed secondary, seeing as DeAngelo was the only real effective DB last season, if Atlanta doesn't want to worry about it's secondary getting eaten alive, they need to find a solid #2 CB.

And Keyshawn is an !!!111!!!111!!!111!!!111!!!111!!!111!!!111, he's just not an ass of TO's caliber

03-22-2006, 07:47 PM	#1
Cornell J Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 1,074 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 13,234.67 Bank: 358.60 Total Points: 13,593.27 Donate	Big Offseason Moves -Drew Brees = Saint - CUlpepper = Dolphin - Lloyd and Randle EL = Redskins - Kitna, King, McCown = Lions - Milloy and Abraham = Falcons - Ramsey = Jet - Aaron Brooks = Raider - Bears take Griese TO = Cowboy And I'm sure more that I'm forgetting Discuss this offseason, and how crazy it's going to be next year, the Vikes still need a QB (they might take Johnson, but he doesn't have too much longer). GRossman may be in trouble for that starting job, Brooks is going to take over in Oakland, which means it's back to the bench for Tui and Walter. Shaun King and Josh McCown are my favorites to take the starting job in Detroit over Kitna and Orvolosky, and Brunell/Collins having Randle EL, Moss, AND Brandon Lloyd to throw to is pretty big.

03-22-2006, 08:07 PM	#2
Crazyswordsman RPG Mod Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 8,584 Thanks: 633 Thanked 471 Times in 311 Posts Points: 167,288.15 Bank: 77,775.54 Total Points: 245,063.69 Donate	Whoa. The Skins may be the next big thing to hit the NFC East. sigh I guess this means no Phillip Rivers on the Jets now, groans and prays they pick up Vince Young or Reggie Bush, and they won't -CSM

03-22-2006, 10:06 PM	#3
ShyGuy727 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: O-H! I-O! Gender: Posts: 10,061 Thanks: 37 Thanked 62 Times in 46 Posts Points: 32,218.98 Bank: 25,651.08 Total Points: 57,870.06 Donate	Browns are easily going to be the most improved team, as far as offseason moves go- LeCharles Bentley, Willie McGinest, Joe Jurevicius plus some others, mostly on defense, that are improvements on what we previously had there.

03-22-2006, 10:38 PM	#4
Cornell J Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 1,074 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 13,234.67 Bank: 358.60 Total Points: 13,593.27 Donate	Browns might be able to contend for a wildcard spot, but the AFC North is too tough, I need to see an offense from Cleveland before I take them as contenders. As for the Skins, they'll be a little more dangerous now, the NFC East will stay a four-way race through the season unless something drastic happens. The Raiders may be a force to reckon with now that they have a QB that can at least have good days, compared to Kerry COllins who's only good for about 3, then he just drops, with Brooks, you know you'll get at least 7 good games.

03-23-2006, 07:10 PM	#6
Cornell J Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 1,074 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 13,234.67 Bank: 358.60 Total Points: 13,593.27 Donate	You have a point, Griese really isn't that good. As for Kitna, I don't think he's that good to begin with, I think Martz will take a liking to McCown. Either way, it should be interesting, I can't wait for September.

03-23-2006, 10:39 PM	#8
DK Wrestling Mod Join Date: Jul 1999 Gender: Posts: 2,994 Thanks: 43 Thanked 48 Times in 41 Posts Points: 3,946.31 Bank: 2,672,878.84 Total Points: 2,676,825.15 Donate	You were pretty high on Garcia and Dilfer, too, weren't you?

03-24-2006, 04:28 PM	#10
Cornell J Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 1,074 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 13,234.67 Bank: 358.60 Total Points: 13,593.27 Donate	Browns won't go anywhere till they have an offense, they'll be just like Baltimore was, except they have receivers you can actually name. Charlie Frye will come along in time, but this just isn't his year, Roeth made some big mistakes his rookie year, but his defense helped him out a lot when he made those crucial mistake. It wasn't a damned walk in the park, he was bailed out a LOT, that Cleveland defense will have to be good in order to help Frye. Kitna did do well at first in that playoff game against Pitt, until he remembered who he was and threw 2 bonehead picks. Don't get me started on Kyle Boller either since we're in the north, Anthony Wright did better in those several games than Boller did in years past, I don't think Boller will keep the streak-of-goodness he had going at this year's close, putting out Minnesota for good. It is Grossman's job to lose, either by sucky play, or hurting himself again, which like many say, I doubt will happen this time. In new news, Keyshawn Johnson is a Panther, I know that several Saint, Buc, and Falcons fans are pissed. Speaking of Falcons, Mora's contract has been extended 3 years, he better change up that offense, include more shotgun plays. Niners add to their line.

03-24-2006, 08:21 PM	#12
Cornell J Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 1,074 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 13,234.67 Bank: 358.60 Total Points: 13,593.27 Donate	Dilfer sucked in Tampa Dilfer Sucked in Seattle Dilfer wouldn't have played in Baltimore if Banks didn't get hurt during practice and blow his shot at winning a SB

03-24-2006, 08:48 PM	#13
DK Wrestling Mod Join Date: Jul 1999 Gender: Posts: 2,994 Thanks: 43 Thanked 48 Times in 41 Posts Points: 3,946.31 Bank: 2,672,878.84 Total Points: 2,676,825.15 Donate	In my opinion, the Browns are worst or second worst-off in the league at quarterback at this point right now (Niners). Frye could be the future, but at this time, he's not it. He needs plenty more time to develop. Then again, so did Carson Palmer. Point is, the Browns aren't going to have an easy time winning under Frye immediately.

03-24-2006, 08:55 PM	#14
nick_madman Newbie Join Date: Feb 2006 Gender: Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 567.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 1,067.00 Donate	The phins have culpepper and they are goin to the super bowl

03-24-2006, 09:11 PM	#15
DK Wrestling Mod Join Date: Jul 1999 Gender: Posts: 2,994 Thanks: 43 Thanked 48 Times in 41 Posts Points: 3,946.31 Bank: 2,672,878.84 Total Points: 2,676,825.15 Donate	I'd put Culpepper in the bottom half of the starting quarterbacks when he doesn't have Moss. It's hard to tell when he's got Chambers, though. But Randy Moss he is not.

03-24-2006, 09:15 PM	#16
nick_madman Newbie Join Date: Feb 2006 Gender: Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 567.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 1,067.00 Donate	ok ok u have a point there but the phins do have a rushing game which minnesotta did not so that could help open culpepper up a bit

03-24-2006, 09:27 PM	#17
DK Wrestling Mod Join Date: Jul 1999 Gender: Posts: 2,994 Thanks: 43 Thanked 48 Times in 41 Posts Points: 3,946.31 Bank: 2,672,878.84 Total Points: 2,676,825.15 Donate	Indeed. Ronnie will not only take a good deal of pressure from Pepper but will also open up more PA passing.

03-25-2006, 02:23 PM	#19
Cornell J Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 1,074 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 13,234.67 Bank: 358.60 Total Points: 13,593.27 Donate	Actually I was being sarcastic and was making fun of both Collins and Brooks. Brooks sucks and is inconsistant, and Collins just plain sucks, he sucked in the Superbowl with New York, and he sucked in Oakland, they were doomed when Rich went down against Tampa Bay back in 03. As for Atlanta, yeah, Vick is overrated, but that's the team's decision, you don't have to impress me with that, I could care less about the Falcons. My team doesn't know whether to start Volek, draft one of the rooks, or even resign McNair.

03-25-2006, 11:28 PM	#20
Toad556 Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Pffft <insert witty comment here> Gender: Posts: 687 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 29,974.71 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 30,474.71 Donate	If stats is what you want, Vick did have 4-5 games where he supposedly tried to "prove all haters wrong", but the Falcons posted a 2-2 record, despite Vick going 75/121 (62%) for 889 Yards, 7 TD, and INT. The Falcon downfall last season began with the Green Bay loss, and Vick trying to prove people wrong, the second blow was the rape from Carolina, the final blow was the defense losing so many key players. My point? The Falcons are not the worst team with a QB Situation, Vick'll be fine by the time his legs quit on him, he's showing improvement, however, playing like he is now, WON'T take us to the superbowl, do keep in mind, he's only 25, and will be 26 before the season starts. As for Schaub, he'll wind up somewhere come next season, Falcons made a smart move keepin him with ol' fragile at the helm. If you ask me though, Abraham was not an essential pick up, seeing as we already have 3 solid lineman and a growing one. Milloy is a huge addition to a much needed secondary, seeing as DeAngelo was the only real effective DB last season, if Atlanta doesn't want to worry about it's secondary getting eaten alive, they need to find a solid #2 CB. And Keyshawn is an !!!111!!!111!!!111!!!111!!!111!!!111!!!111, he's just not an ass of TO's caliber