Reggie Bush!?!?!? - Page 2 - VGF

Lurch1982 · 08-13-2006, 12:51 PM

Two things:
1.) I'm not arguing with someone I can't understand. Type like a normal human being and maybe I'll get back to you.

2.) However, the following video proves you are completely wrong. Yes, those are first teamers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4lXA8bwXZI

Dunk'd.

shelty87 · 08-13-2006, 01:16 PM

1. its preseason. if u base anything on preseason ur void of any valid comment uv ever made. reggie may have had a 44 yd run but he only had 15 yds on 5 other carries. besides, shaun alexander (o ya, the MVP), he had 13 yds on 6 carries.

2. it was the titans defense. other than keith bulluck, albert haynesworth, "pacman" jones and kyle vanden bosch.....who do they have on defense? btw vanden bosch isnt even all that great, he just had a good yr.

ADVENTURE BUS · 08-13-2006, 02:44 PM

It's still an NFL defense, and he ran through it. It may not prove that he's incredible, but it proves that he's not just some college bust.

Reading some of the logic in this topic has changed my mind.

Shelty, we complain about your spelling and grammar because it's too difficult to read, no one wants to sit and decipher an argument, I'd rather know what the hell you're talkin bout.

Swordmaster Link · 08-13-2006, 02:56 PM

Ok so it was a beastly run, I'll give him that, but it was only 1 play. I'm still gonna reserve my opinion until the season starts.

Loco2185 · 08-13-2006, 03:22 PM

Bush did good in his first game but it was because it was the preseason
anyone could have done good
A couple more weeks and we will find out if he is really that good
or he suck but was good cause it was college football
NFL is a hella lot harder some rookies make it some dont

Mark Prior · 08-13-2006, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by shelty87

ur so dumb it makes the person wonder what the hell ur talking about. plz, tell me when i said boldin is the #1 WR in the nfl. i merely stated he was the #1 WR on the cardinals depth chart. mayb if u paid any attention to the conversation instead of being on Lurch's balls, ud know that.

what in the world does the bcs SYSTEM have to do w/ the ratings of bcs CONFERENCES??? u ppl say i have my head up my ass, ur the fcukin pot callin the kettle black. by ur "sht logic" the sec is a terrible conference bcuz its a bcs conference as well.....good job.

once again, u fail to put 2 n 2 together. i wrote that on a ps (thats post script just so u know). its called a comparison. i was talking about my respect 4 his obvious knowledge of football, but also that that didnt mean i liked him (at least on this subject). it was a valid comparison bcuz while i hate a-rod.......i do respect him.

you said Boldin "was #1". That could mean anything, so I took the assumption that you meant #1 in the league. You didn't specify Cardinals or otherwise, learn specifics. You're a bonehead who needs serious grammar help. It isn't hard to type a coherent sentence. Anyone who can't simply is lazy, or fat.

Uh, the BCS system is terrible, and I didn't say anything about the conferences. I don't know enough about college football nor care enough to try to sound educated. I've just heard from every source imaginable that the system is garbage, so i didn't read your boring BCS-whatever paragraph.

Meanwhile, your analogy to A-Rod is still rather homosexual.

Who saw the run Reggie broke out the other night? Preseason is here to get a feel for what the regular season might be like. If last night was any indication, Reggie's gonna fuuck some teams up.

Since Shelty seems to have a hard-on for Leinart...contract holdouts historically have done nothing but make a player not ready to play. One example is Cedric Benson for the Bears last year. Held out, missed like all of training camp, was the #3 back almost all year. If Leinart keeps holding out, he's no better than any scrub in the NFL. As far as Harrington goes, he had a pretty solid game yesterday. He had 3 #1 pick WR's, but guess what? None of them were, or are to this day, proven WR's. Harrington is NOT a bad QB, he had no real targets to throw to. As far as Aaron Rodgers, he's under the tutilage of Brett Favre, nuff said. He'll be fine when Brett wants to call it quits. Boller showed up during the last few games last year. He didn't have great WR's to throw to.

And how can you hate Tom Brady? Because he fuucking owns every fantasy QB? Yeah, Brady wins. He wont get a TOUCHDOWN RECORD or anything, but 3 Super Bowls in 4 years? You can NOT argue that point, period.

shelty87 · 08-13-2006, 03:38 PM

fine, if u want ill make it a little easier to read. but im not gonna sit and spell every little word out cuz it just takes up too much time. i have a busy schedule and have to be certain places @ certain times. but its not like it was the most impossible thing in the world to read, so dont make it out to be.

Mark Prior · 08-13-2006, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Loco2185

Bush did good in his first game but it was because it was the preseason
anyone could have done good
A couple more weeks and we will find out if he is really that good
or he suck but was good cause it was college football
NFL is a hella lot harder some rookies make it some dont

he played against the first team defense. That would be the same defense as in a regular season game. You need to learn to type also, faagot.

Mark Prior · 08-13-2006, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by shelty87

fine, if u want ill make it a little easier to read. but im not gonna sit and spell every little word out cuz it just takes up too much time. i have a busy schedule and have to be certain places @ certain times. but its not like it was the most impossible thing in the world to read, so dont make it out to be.

more like your fingers are too fat to hit all those keys, you lazy shiit. We can read easily. Your sentences are just hard to understand due to horrible grammar. What are you, in third grade?

shelty87 · 08-13-2006, 03:44 PM

if u dont care to follow college football.....then dont put ur input in on the subject. no one needs some guy adding conformist opinions he heard from other ppl. either follow it and form ur own opinion or shut the hell up about it.

its pretty easy to hate tom brady, just about everyone outside of new england does. especially someone who happens to be a fan of an AFC East team other than the pats.....such as myself.

Loco2185 · 08-13-2006, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Prior

he played against the first team defense. That would be the same defense as in a regular season game. You need to learn to type also, faagot.

Dumb ASS this is the preseason not the regular season
the team he faced wont put there starters for the whole game cause they dont want to get them injured
So Reggie Bush didnt play against the real D-fense of that team
he played against the backup backups not the real team
O and by the way i will write anyeway i want

shelty87 · 08-13-2006, 03:48 PM

no, he played the 1st string. the problem is he had 1 big play, but outside of that they held him to 15 yds on 5 carries.......not spectacular. not to mention what i said before, preseason doesnt mean anything because shaun alexander was held to 13 yds on 6 carries

Loco2185 · 08-13-2006, 03:57 PM

Yea they gave Shawn Alexander a couple of carries so he can play a little couple of plays
But yea i think the defense let Bush have that one big play
but really do you ppl think that Bush will be one of the greatest RB in the history of Football?

Mark Prior · 08-13-2006, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by shelty87

no, he played the 1st string. the problem is he had 1 big play, but outside of that they held him to 15 yds on 5 carries.......not spectacular. not to mention what i said before, preseason doesnt mean anything because shaun alexander was held to 13 yds on 6 carries

3 yards a carry in his FIRST NFL experience, plus that play. doesn't change the fact he was solid.

"the defense let him have that play"

yeah, get out of the topic, you obviously have no credibility

Loco2185 · 08-13-2006, 04:11 PM

stfu
homie

Lurch1982 · 08-13-2006, 06:05 PM

1.) Reggie Bush played against a first-team defense and made them look foolish in the same vein as Barry Sanders or Marshall Faulk. Alexander also traditionally runs 20+ times a game and racks up more yards. He played, what, two possessions? Come on, use your brain.

2.) Doesn't matter, he still broke the ankles of an NFL defense and made all of your idiotic theories look like they are: uninformed, moronic drivel.

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Shelty, we complain about your spelling and grammar because it's too difficult to read, no one wants to sit and decipher an argument, I'd rather know what the hell you're talkin bout.

QFT.

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fine, if u want ill make it a little easier to read. but im not gonna sit and spell every little word out cuz it just takes up too much time. i have a busy schedule and have to be certain places @ certain times. but its not like it was the most impossible thing in the world to read, so dont make it out to be.

If you spend more than five minutes typing these posts, you're a failure at life. Learn to type, it isn't that hard. Spelling errors isn't a problem and nobody really cares about it. The distinct lack of punctuation, coherant thoughts, and this strange mixture of shorthand, internet slang, and illiteracy makes your posts written Chernobyls.

Loco, you are an idiot and you make Shelty look like a fcuking Rhodes Scholar. Did you WATCH the clip? The play came on the first drive by the Saints and he broke a 44 yard run from a first-string offense (minus Deuce) against a first string defense. They let him have it? Yeah, they did if you mean Bush drastically changing the play and countering the Titans defense (breaking an entire team's ankles in the process) and busting a 44 yard run means they just let him have it. He owned them and owned any argument made by any doubters.

Nobody is saying he will be the best RB in the history of the NFL (in order: Jim Brown, Walter Payton, then maybe Emmitt Smith), but we are saying he was the best player in the draft, best possible player for almost every team in the draft, and has an explosive nature that makes him valuable to any team in the league.

Do you watch Seattle games, let alone any running football at all? STFU. Alexander, like almost every back in his vein in the league, break runs later in the game when the defense wears down. He establishes the run in the first few possessions and then breaks them. He's not going to do crap on 6 carries, and if you look at his first six carries in any given game they're likely going to be low.

Going further, Bush played for a quarter and a half and racked up over 50 yards plus another 10 recieving in a game that was practically a running football game. Just like Alexander is going to crack more yards later in the game, Reggie Bush is going to crank in more yards (recieving and rushing) in a full game than in three or four possessions.

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yeah, get out of the topic, you obviously have no credibility

QFT

ADVENTURE BUS · 08-13-2006, 06:46 PM

^ Exactly, the run has to be established first, no one is going to have 45 yards after their first 5-6 carries in any game without a big gain. You run to open up the pass, and control the clock, and getting 3-3.5 ypc will do just that.

shelty87 · 08-13-2006, 08:07 PM

Reggie Bush cant be mentioned in the same breathe as Barry Sanders......yet. Sanders had the ability to make ppl miss and just slip away from tackles. Bush just simply ran around the defense while they shifted their momentum. Just so u know, Alexander got 2.2 ypc. By that set standard, he would have had, what would be considered, a bad game. Granted, it wasnt a bad defense in the Cowboys, but not a great one.

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If you spend more than five minutes typing these posts, you're a failure at life.

No, theres no exaggeration there. Not at all. The only punctuation i lack is the apostrophe. If u cant decypher between cant & can't or isnt & isn't, then u have a major problem and in my book.....u cant read.

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Alexander, like almost every back in his vein in the league, break runs later in the game when the defense wears down. He establishes the run in the first few possessions and then breaks them.

WTF. u just contradicted urself right there. Establishing the run would mean Alexander at least has some good runs, and gets at least a couple 1st downs; u basically just said he doesnt do well at 1st and gets most his yds towards the end of games. If thats true, what about that game a couple yrs ago on sunday or monday night against the Vikings, where Alexander ran for over 100 yds and 4-5 TDs in the 1st HALF!!!!

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Going further, Bush played for a quarter and a half and racked up over 50 yards plus another 10 recieving in a game that was practically a running football game.

Now ur just getting ur facts wrong. As far as what Reggie did, ur correct, but there were 39 passing attempts and 28 rushing attempts. Just go ahead and count that......12 more passing plays (including the sack by Fuller) than rushing. Mayb it was a rushing game for the Titans (32 rushing plays, 22 passing plays), but not the Saints.

ADVENTURE BUS · 08-13-2006, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by shelty87

No, theres no exaggeration there. Not at all. The only punctuation i lack is the apostrophe. If u cant decypher between cant & can't or isnt & isn't, then u have a major problem and in my book.....u cant read.

There's a major difference between that post (^) and this post:

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					Originally Posted by shelty87 
 here's the question of the month i have:

y is it every1 is hyping reggie bush up to b the greatest thing to happen to sports since michael jordan? seriously, what has he done to show he will b so great? sure hes had some truely amazing plays, but if u look back on it.....so did eric crouch. i mean, c'mon, in fantasy football he's ranked 20th, ahead of guys like larry fitzgerald, randy moss, carson palmer....proven players.

now heres y i dont think he'll b all that great:

HE PLAYS FOR THE SAINTS!!!!!! 1 of the worst offensive lines in the nfl, he's gonna share the ball w/ duece mcallister (a proven back), and new orleans just gave drew brees a monster contract so u know they wont allow that money 2 go 2 waste.

forget taking reggie bush w/ the 1st pick, just plain old taking reggie bush is DUMB!!!!!!

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WTF. u just contradicted urself right there. Establishing the run would mean Alexander at least has some good runs, and gets at least a couple 1st downs; u basically just said he doesnt do well at 1st and gets most his yds towards the end of games. If thats true, what about that game a couple yrs ago on sunday or monday night against the Vikings, where Alexander ran for over 100 yds and 4-5 TDs in the 1st HALF!!!!

No, establishing the run means that you make the other team recognize that you will run and can run. It doesn't mean 7 yards a pop, it means getting enough to make passes easier. When you establish the run, the defense respects the run, doesn't mean they fear it, it just means they know you can do it.

Did you notice with that second part you had to venture to years ago? It's a once in a while thing, not something that happens every game. Go back and watch those Seattle games last season, he got the rushing game in a rythm in the first half, and then completely wore them out in the second half. If you establish and keep a consistant rushing attack going the first half, then you can beat a team senseless in the second half by just pounding them.

Lurch1982 · 08-13-2006, 08:27 PM

Alexander had 6 carries and didn't establish the run because he played two relatively short possessions? Are you daft? He's a different runner than Reggie Bush and completely depends on getting enough carries to wear down the defense and break through. This isn't fcuking Madden with its horrendous unrealistic running game kid. Watch real football. Look at his stat-splits, particularly the attempts. Once he gets to the 10-20 range, he gets better across every category.

Hell, look at the quarter splits. He breaks out statistically in the third quarter in 2005 and the second quarter in 2004.

You are wrong, and you are an idiot. You're basing your entire concept of Shaun Alexander on one game two years ago instead of the long term statistical evidence. Seriously, watch real football.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpag...82/splits/2005
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpag...82/splits/2004

Uh, Bush played with the first string, who had a QB throw 5/9 and saw Bush splitting carries with Stecker. The first string is relavent to Bush's performance, since he wasn't anywhere in the picture once he left the field. It was a run-dominated first half. Look at the play-by-play.
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playby...0060812_NO@TEN

Dunk'd. Stop talking.

08-13-2006, 02:44 PM	#23
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08-13-2006, 06:46 PM	#37
ADVENTURE BUS I'MA FIRIN MAH ADVENTURE BUS! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Birmingham, AL Gender: Posts: 13,125 Thanks: 937 Thanked 660 Times in 385 Posts Points: 50,715.03 Bank: 500,939.68 Total Points: 551,654.71 Donate	^ Exactly, the run has to be established first, no one is going to have 45 yards after their first 5-6 carries in any game without a big gain. You run to open up the pass, and control the clock, and getting 3-3.5 ypc will do just that. __________________ Season 1- Coming to a Youtube near you....whenever

08-13-2006, 12:51 PM	#21
Lurch1982 Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Katrinaland, USA Gender: Posts: 9,113 Thanks: 119 Thanked 185 Times in 120 Posts Points: 25,155.94 Bank: 136,219.57 Total Points: 161,375.51 Donate	Two things: 1.) I'm not arguing with someone I can't understand. Type like a normal human being and maybe I'll get back to you. 2.) However, the following video proves you are completely wrong. Yes, those are first teamers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4lXA8bwXZI Dunk'd.

08-13-2006, 01:16 PM	#22
shelty87 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Gender: Posts: 88 Thanks: 4 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 2,536.00 Bank: 3,562.25 Total Points: 6,098.25 Donate	1. its preseason. if u base anything on preseason ur void of any valid comment uv ever made. reggie may have had a 44 yd run but he only had 15 yds on 5 other carries. besides, shaun alexander (o ya, the MVP), he had 13 yds on 6 carries. 2. it was the titans defense. other than keith bulluck, albert haynesworth, "pacman" jones and kyle vanden bosch.....who do they have on defense? btw vanden bosch isnt even all that great, he just had a good yr.

08-13-2006, 02:56 PM	#24
Swordmaster Link Super Bodyguard & King of the Arcade Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Wherever you want me to be Gender: Posts: 29,999 Thanks: 215 Thanked 538 Times in 376 Posts Points: 1,091.85 Bank: 1,182,106.00 Total Points: 1,183,197.85 Donate	Ok so it was a beastly run, I'll give him that, but it was only 1 play. I'm still gonna reserve my opinion until the season starts.

08-13-2006, 03:22 PM	#25
Loco2185 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: somewhere in hell Gender: Posts: 146 Thanks: 13 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts Points: 4,655.53 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 4,655.53 Donate	Bush did good in his first game but it was because it was the preseason anyone could have done good A couple more weeks and we will find out if he is really that good or he suck but was good cause it was college football NFL is a hella lot harder some rookies make it some dont

08-13-2006, 03:38 PM	#27
shelty87 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Gender: Posts: 88 Thanks: 4 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 2,536.00 Bank: 3,562.25 Total Points: 6,098.25 Donate	fine, if u want ill make it a little easier to read. but im not gonna sit and spell every little word out cuz it just takes up too much time. i have a busy schedule and have to be certain places @ certain times. but its not like it was the most impossible thing in the world to read, so dont make it out to be.

08-13-2006, 03:44 PM	#30
shelty87 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Gender: Posts: 88 Thanks: 4 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 2,536.00 Bank: 3,562.25 Total Points: 6,098.25 Donate	if u dont care to follow college football.....then dont put ur input in on the subject. no one needs some guy adding conformist opinions he heard from other ppl. either follow it and form ur own opinion or shut the hell up about it. its pretty easy to hate tom brady, just about everyone outside of new england does. especially someone who happens to be a fan of an AFC East team other than the pats.....such as myself.

08-13-2006, 03:48 PM	#32
shelty87 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Gender: Posts: 88 Thanks: 4 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 2,536.00 Bank: 3,562.25 Total Points: 6,098.25 Donate	no, he played the 1st string. the problem is he had 1 big play, but outside of that they held him to 15 yds on 5 carries.......not spectacular. not to mention what i said before, preseason doesnt mean anything because shaun alexander was held to 13 yds on 6 carries

08-13-2006, 03:57 PM	#33
Loco2185 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: somewhere in hell Gender: Posts: 146 Thanks: 13 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts Points: 4,655.53 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 4,655.53 Donate	Yea they gave Shawn Alexander a couple of carries so he can play a little couple of plays But yea i think the defense let Bush have that one big play but really do you ppl think that Bush will be one of the greatest RB in the history of Football?

08-13-2006, 04:11 PM	#35
Loco2185 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: somewhere in hell Gender: Posts: 146 Thanks: 13 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts Points: 4,655.53 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 4,655.53 Donate	stfu homie

08-13-2006, 08:27 PM	#40
Lurch1982 Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Katrinaland, USA Gender: Posts: 9,113 Thanks: 119 Thanked 185 Times in 120 Posts Points: 25,155.94 Bank: 136,219.57 Total Points: 161,375.51 Donate	Alexander had 6 carries and didn't establish the run because he played two relatively short possessions? Are you daft? He's a different runner than Reggie Bush and completely depends on getting enough carries to wear down the defense and break through. This isn't fcuking Madden with its horrendous unrealistic running game kid. Watch real football. Look at his stat-splits, particularly the attempts. Once he gets to the 10-20 range, he gets better across every category. Hell, look at the quarter splits. He breaks out statistically in the third quarter in 2005 and the second quarter in 2004. You are wrong, and you are an idiot. You're basing your entire concept of Shaun Alexander on one game two years ago instead of the long term statistical evidence. Seriously, watch real football. http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpag...82/splits/2005 http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpag...82/splits/2004 Uh, Bush played with the first string, who had a QB throw 5/9 and saw Bush splitting carries with Stecker. The first string is relavent to Bush's performance, since he wasn't anywhere in the picture once he left the field. It was a run-dominated first half. Look at the play-by-play. http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playby...0060812_NO@TEN Dunk'd. Stop talking.