Reggie Bush!?!?!? - VGF

shelty87 · 08-11-2006, 06:24 AM

here's the question of the month i have:

y is it every1 is hyping reggie bush up to b the greatest thing to happen to sports since michael jordan? seriously, what has he done to show he will b so great? sure hes had some truely amazing plays, but if u look back on it.....so did eric crouch. i mean, c'mon, in fantasy football he's ranked 20th, ahead of guys like larry fitzgerald, randy moss, carson palmer....proven players.

now heres y i dont think he'll b all that great:

HE PLAYS FOR THE SAINTS!!!!!! 1 of the worst offensive lines in the nfl, he's gonna share the ball w/ duece mcallister (a proven back), and new orleans just gave drew brees a monster contract so u know they wont allow that money 2 go 2 waste.

forget taking reggie bush w/ the 1st pick, just plain old taking reggie bush is DUMB!!!!!!

**Deku Trii** · 08-11-2006, 07:01 AM

I don't think he'll be nearly as good as he was being hyped up to be. To be honest, I don't think he even deserved the Heisman (I have a feeling UT's game against my Fighting Texas Aggies cost Vince the trophy). I've seen his highlight reels, and it always seemed like he was trying to hard to be flashy by doing things like flipping over people instead of just diving. Then there's the fact that the smaller guys usually have shorter careers.

If he doesn't work out as a Pro RB, they could always try him on special teams.

DK · 08-11-2006, 12:31 PM

He's not even an every-down back.

He could end up being really good, but he's not worth all the money the Saints invested in him. Highest paid halfback in the NFL? WTF?

Sen. Brak Obama (FACE) · 08-11-2006, 03:56 PM

He'll be a slightly better Warrick Dunn IMO.

Not incredible, people seem to forget the transistion from college to NFL.

Loco2185 · 08-11-2006, 08:08 PM

All i can say is that reggie bush has alot and i do mean alot of potential
in the NFL and we will see wut he does this year to convince us that he is a great player

Lurch1982 · 08-11-2006, 10:10 PM

Michael Irving, who knows more than all of you put together, said it best: He wowed you in high school, he wowed you in college, what makes you think he isn't going to wow you at any level?

The first post looks like it was done by someone with a Texas degree. Learn English.

Lets take the fantasy players you listed: Palmer had his knee fragged and may not make the opener, Fitzgerald is on the Cards, who are unpredictable especially with Warner at the helm. Moss is on the Aaron Brooks led Raiders and is coming off his least productive year ever.

Saints have a horrible O-line? Since when? That system produced some of the best Olinemen in the damn game. The only problem with the Saints is on the defense (no linebackers, lazy secondary). Go watch football and stop playing Madden. Brooks looked horrible last year because he's one of the worst QBs in the league.

Reggie Bush is seperated from normal running backs because he's versitile. He'll be returning kicks and punts (which increases fantasy value), and the new coach plans to run a similar system to USC last year. Since you obviously didn't watch any games (since you'd know this), that means they're plugging Bush as a slot reciever, using movement, and running with a twinback set. He catches, runs, and returns. That's extreme fantasy value, although I couldn't see picking him up any higher than late second round.

Drew Brees is on an interesting contract. He gets a low salary this year and there's a team option, mainly because he's coming off an arm injury. If he looks like crap, he's out and gets none of the money promised to him.

Taking a D-end from a cupcake team in a cupcake conference is dumb, especially when you're looking at one of the best all around players.

You are all retards if you think he's on the same line as Dunn. Dunn hurts you in one way, and he doesn't even do that well. Bush hurts you in three to four different ways and can alter the game every time he touches the ball.

Mark Prior · 08-11-2006, 10:15 PM

jesus christ guys, Bush is the next coming of Barry Sanders. He could be THAT good. Betcha the Saints have a great offense this year.

shelty87 · 08-11-2006, 11:12 PM

Okay Lurch. If you want to be critical about grammar on the internet, you go ahead and tell every single person to reach grammatical perfection. Me, personally, I don't have that kind of time. I will do this though: I'll write this post correctly just for you.

Let's get the facts straight. Palmer may have had his knee taken out last year in the playoffs, and he may only be questionable for the opener; but, if you could read better, you'd notice that he's only questionable for the preseason opener. Palmer is very likely for the regular season opener. As far as Fitzgerald, yes he is on the Cardinals. Which, by the way, is probably one of the three best offenses in football this year. With Edge in the backfield and Boldin on the opposite side, Fitzgerald won't be opposing defenses only focus (especially playing the 49ers and Rams defenses twice each). Plus, Warner may not be the greatest QB in the league anymore, but he's certainly good enough. And in the case he's not, they have the best backup QB in the league in Matt Leinart, who was NFL ready last year. Now Moss may not have the calibur QB he's used to in Daunte Culpepper, but that doesn't divert from the fact that he's still the most athletically gifted and best pure receiver in the NFL.

Yes the Saints have a terrible offensive line. Name two of their starters without looking it up. I'll give you the fact that they have produced some of the great offensive linemen in recent years: Roaf, Bentley, Turley; but the question isn't the past - its right now.

You know what? I'll even give you the fact that Bush is versitile. But let's think about this. If he does return punts and kicks, not only will it wear him out faster over the course of the season, but it also increases the likelyhood of injury. Do you seriosly think the Saints want an investment like Reggie Bush's chance of injury to go up?

On another note, taking the best available isn't how teams draft. Teams take the player who can best improve the team. The Texans believed that the team was best helped by adding to the defensive line. And with Dominick Davis as the starter (who is not great, but good enough), why would you take yet another RB? Not to mention, if you think the ACC is a cupcake conference, go ahead and look at how many perrenial powerhouse teams there are: FSU, UM, VT, and BC.

So there you have it, my grammatically perfect rebuddle you anal retentive prick. k, now i return to my quicker, easier way of writing.

Sen. Brak Obama (FACE) · 08-11-2006, 11:16 PM

Season needs to start.

NOW

**Deku Trii** · 08-12-2006, 12:19 AM

Yeah. Gotta wait and see how he does, I suppose.

Lurch1982 · 08-12-2006, 12:48 AM

Well, I'm glad to see you can type a coherant sentance. You get a happy star.

Yeah, I'll believe Palmer isn't Questionable for the season opener when he's walking on the field. Same goes for Culpepper and Brees. You do not take that type of injury that late in the year and come back 100% the next year.

Fitzgerald isn't even the best reciever on the Cards, that's Boldin. Their offense picks up, sure, but they still have a weak link at QB that has degressed quickly through the years. Leinhart is the wave of the future, but he's not signed nor does he look to be signing soon. As much as he demolished NCAA competition, he's not going to go in without any preseason or training camp reps and make any sort of an impact. He isn't even the best backup in the league either. There are multiple backups floating in the league that would likely be successful or have been successful starters in the NFL.

Moss needs someone to throw the deep ball to him. Brooks borders on grossly ineffective and won't be able to seal the deal. Raider Nation is going to toss him to the side by week 6.

Name two offensive linemen on the Colts. Ok, the Pats. Alright, the Panthers. You can't, don't even say you can because its bullshiit. Just because you can't name an offensive line doesn't mean the line sucks. The Saints, as faulty as they are, do not lack on the offensive side of the ball and have all of their holes on defense. If you actually WATCHED games and didn't talk out of your ass, you'd know that. Systems are systems. Take RBs in Denver: if Shanahan starts an undrafted rookie, I don't question it because he produces 1000+ yard runners every single year. The Saints constantly produce good linemen on both sides of the ball, and I see no reason to doubt them this year.

Reggie Bush also isn't getting 90% of the carries on the offense. If he were the feature back while doing special teams duty, he would get worn down and have a greater potential for a wear-down injury. As it stands, he's acting more like a Reciever than a starting RB. Nobody rags on Steve Smith or Randle El for return duty while they start, and its a non-issue for Reggie Bush.

The Texans allowed Carr to get sacked for an insane amount of times. Their need wasn't defensive: it was their offensive line. Their pick was DeBrickashaw Fergeson, not some mediocre DE that got all of his sacks against cupcake teams.

Let's break down his 2005 outing: 13 solo sacks. Nice. Except they came against the oh-so-mighty competition of Wake Forest (3), Maryland (4), UNC (1), Southern Miss (3), Mid-Tenn State (1), and South Fla (1). Awesome. None of those teams (except So Miss) had winning records. Getting gooseegged in sacks against Clemson, BC, Va Tech, EKU (and really, Eastern Kentucky? I could register a sack on them), Ga Tech, and FSU shows one thing: he can't perform against winners.
http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/playerDet...g=490&player=9

Reggie Bush OTOH lit up every team he played and changed the game, regardless of who he played.
http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/playerDet...g=657&player=5

I'm sorry, I keep forgetting the ACC stole teams from other conferences. Awesome, you have a handful of good teams in a conference that's filled to the brim with crap. ACC owns in Basketball, not Football.

Going back to the Texans and the draft as a whole: Mario Williams was not the best player in the draft at all, nor was he the best for that team. Even if he registers 10 sacks this year, it isn't going to mean anything if:
1.) Your offensive line allows Carr to get sacked somewhere in the vicinity of 68 times again because you passed on the best offensive lineman in years.
1a.) Your offensive can't score so you still lose 10+ games because your QB keeps getting sacked because you passed on the best OL in the draft.
2.) You passed on a guy that will put up roughly a TD a game and change the way defenses scheme against your offense and special teams.

Dominick Davis is a back that suffers like the rest of the Texans offense from the piss-poor line. A team that allowed its QB to get annihilated 68 times should be looking at shoring up the line, not getting a DE that can't get sacks on the good teams he plays. It was not the smart move in any sense or case.

What's a rebuddle? Ooooooh....a REBUTTAL. Yeah, you failed at that too. Come back when you know your ass hole from a hole in the ground.

shelty87 · 08-12-2006, 02:17 AM

like i said, im back 2 my easier, faster way of writing.....so dont even think about critisizing how i write. btw, u have some nerve pointing out how i misspelled rebuttal when u somehow managed to screw up "sentence" (u put sentance). not 2 mention a couple other spelling errors i noticed.

the reason boldin is the #1 wr is cuz hes had an xtra yr in the nfl n the amazing rookie #s he put up. ask any1 who knows football n they'll tell u fitzgerald is the better receiver. name a backup qb in the league better than leinart. harrington? boller? garcia? ramsey? losman or holcolm...whichever 1 doesnt start? mayb ud like 2 say aj feely is a better backup. the only 1 u could argue is matt schaub.

as far as moss i pretty much agree w/ u.

2 linemen from the colts: jeff saturday, terik glenn; pats: matt light, logan mankins; panthers: jordan gross, mike wahle. there, i even put 1st names 4 u.
i know football better than most (im not saying all). i have a friend that truely believes that if iv never heard of the athlete he doesnt exist (of course its not true tho). i do watch the games, n thats not the problem. the problem is difference of opinion.

no1 ragged on steve smith bcuz he doesnt do punt returns that often. the panthers used 2 reserve rod smart aka he hate me for that. and as far as randle el, hes a #3 wr. he was in pitt behind ward n plaxico and now behind moss n lloyd in wash.

ill give u the acc isnt the most powerful conference in ncaa football, but where do u get off calling it "cupcake". no bcs conference will ever b considered cupcake by any means at all.

i agree o-line was the texans biggest concern. n the reason y i excuse them 4taking mario is bcuz they spent the 1st 2 picks in the 3rd round on good linemen. their 2nd biggest concern was defense. they have their corners pretty set w/ buchanon n robinson. n their 1st 2 picks were mario n demeco ryans. so they filled what they believed they needed. it doesnt mean i woulda done the same thing, but they still did a good enough job.

u make it sound like the acc is evil, those schools wanted 2 jump 2 the acc. can u blame the acc 4 accepting them w/ open arms? i dont. and thats all i really have 2 say.....unless u manage 2 critique me even further.

ps - u keep talking like i dont pay attention and i dont watch games n all i do is play madden. thats a fairly dumb assumtion on ur part (i may have misspelled assumtion, oooo im scared) considering more than half of the US watches football on a regular basis. while i dont really agree w/ half the things u say (at least on this subject), i do respect ur opinion cuz u obviously pay, at the very least, some attention 2 the game. doesnt mean i like u tho. i hate a-rod, but i do respect him.

shelty87 · 08-12-2006, 02:25 AM

o, n another response 2 ur michael irvin quote

yes....he wowed in high school, he wowed in college, n i do believe he will wow in the nfl. the thing is, he didnt wow as a high school freshman, he didnt wow as a college freshman, and he wont wow as a nfl rookie

Damon King · 08-12-2006, 08:18 AM

Dunn? Cousin, you so crazy.

Bush will be great in his career, and great is an understatement.

Lurch pretty much debunked any retarded "Bust" theories in this thread

**Platinum** · 08-12-2006, 08:58 AM

I won't believe all the great things Bush will do untill I see it. But He was great in college.

Lurch1982 · 08-12-2006, 03:41 PM

Dude, seriously, type correctly or shut up. It goes beyond grammatical errors. I have the occasional typo, you have a blatant rape on the English language that borders on unreadable and incoherant.

Boldin is still the primary recieving threat in Arizona, which doesn't say much since they aren't going to be built on a passing attack.

Backups better than Leinart: Any QB that's started a game in the NFL and won (Boller, Garcia, Harrington for sure), Gerrard, Kyle Orton, Matt Schuabb (and going by things last night, half the other QBs in Atlanta), Jay Cutler, Aaron Rogers. Fact of the matter is, at this point any QB with a contract is better than Leinart because they're eligable to play. He's holding out, and he looks to be holding out for a long time.

I call bullshiit on you naming the line. You very obviously looked it up.

Smart got hurt, Smith did 30 punt returns last year and was on steady duty every other year with 2004 being the exception. Randle El was the SECOND WR last year, not the slot, because Plexiglass went to the Giants.

The ACC is by far one of the lowest marks on the BCS totem pole. The only BCS conference that's worse than the ACC is the Big East. And really, the only reason there's a difference is because the good teams in the Big East defected to the ACC. Seriously. The competition in the Big-10, SEC, Pac-10, and Big 12 is leagues beyond the ACC.

Big difference between D'brickashaw Ferguson and Mario Williams is Ferguson legitimately showed up against every competitor he faced from the time he was a true freshman until the time he left Virginia. Mario Williams is flaky and benefitted from playing against cupcake teams in a weak conference while taking plays and games off against real opponents. One strengthens the O-line extensively while the other may or may not ever achieve any sort of D-line success in the NFL. God knows they already hate him in Houston. Biggest boneheaded decision in the franchise's history.

Thing is, even as a freshman he put up good all-purpose yards. He's not going to get a 2000 yard rushing season in the pros, but he could legitimately put up that many all-purpose yards on top of the Saint's already solid 1000+ yard back. He impacts and adds more to an offense than any other player in the league.

Mark Prior · 08-12-2006, 03:51 PM

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