Best Athlete all around for the last 10 years? - Page 3 - VGF

Sen. Brak Obama (FACE) · 09-22-2006, 01:36 PM

The title is a bit misleading, under terms of athleticism, in the sport of football, it's Vick. In terms of the overall term of professional athlete, as in one who plays a professional sport, than yeah, I'd give it to Brady.

Brandon2390 · 09-22-2006, 02:08 PM

The title may be misleading, but I clearly explained it in my first post. What athlete is the most dominant force in his sport..obviously if we're talking about pure athleticism, Tiger Woods wouldn't be up there.

But still, Tom Brady may be the best in the league, right now he's up there. That still doesnt make him that elite of a quarterback, considering the NFL is filled with mediocre QB's right now. I give Brady all the credit in playing in the clutch, which he's done, but he does do a lot of dumpoffs and short passes. Peyton's offense consists of a lot of longer passes, Brady dumps off to Corey Dillon or somebody else for short a lot. He's still very good, but he is overrated.

Koga · 09-22-2006, 02:17 PM

Wouldn't sportsman be a better term then? When I think of athletes I don't think of sports like golf, formula 1, horse riding, or pool, for example.

Mark Prior · 09-22-2006, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Brandon2390

The title may be misleading, but I clearly explained it in my first post. What athlete is the most dominant force in his sport..obviously if we're talking about pure athleticism, Tiger Woods wouldn't be up there.

But still, Tom Brady may be the best in the league, right now he's up there. That still doesnt make him that elite of a quarterback, considering the NFL is filled with mediocre QB's right now. I give Brady all the credit in playing in the clutch, which he's done, but he does do a lot of dumpoffs and short passes. Peyton's offense consists of a lot of longer passes, Brady dumps off to Corey Dillon or somebody else for short a lot. He's still very good, but he is overrated.

you're right. Any guy who won 3 Super Bowls in 4 years HAS to be overrated.

Mediocre QB's? Palmer, Brees, Brady, McNabb, Delhomme, Manning, Manning, Favre, Green (obviously injured, still very good), Warner. Mediocre, indeed

The reason Brady does all those dumpoffs is because he doesn't have the weapons Manning does. Also, being able to throw a lot of long balls doesn't make a QB good. Winning when it counts does. Manning chokes EVERY YEAR. I'll bet any money that if just about anyone else was the Clots QB, they'd have more than one championship by now. Plus, Brady had more yards than your boy Manning (and more TD's I think) last year, thus proving he's able to do more with less using his "short passes and dumpoffs". Which, by the way, is the sign of a great QB (see: Brett Favre).

Sen. Brak Obama (FACE) · 09-22-2006, 06:00 PM

As Steve Young said, if Brady can take the Pats to the bowl this year, he is the best ever.

Brandon2390 · 09-22-2006, 08:32 PM

You're right Dre...and I'll openly admit it if he did. But he wont.

**Crazyswordsman** · 09-22-2006, 08:42 PM

^Tom Brady (even though I hate him as well) is maybe the best athlete for the past five years, but not the past ten. -CSM

Brandon2390 · 09-22-2006, 09:11 PM

I honestly dont hate Tom Brady. But I do feel he's overrated. Just my opinion, nothing more, nothing less.

**Crazyswordsman** · 09-23-2006, 10:18 AM

I may have to agree with you only for consistancy (has to do with the fact that I think Troy Aikman is an overrated scumbag). -CSM

shelty87 · 10-03-2006, 12:20 AM

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you're right. Any guy who won 3 Super Bowls in 4 years HAS to be overrated.

brady doesnt win championships, teams win championships. brady was a big part of their back-to-back titles, but the only thing brady did worth mentioning, in the 1st superbowl win, was the game winning drive w/ less than 2 minutes left, capped off by a vinatieri fg.

even tho brady was, probly, the biggest part of the back-to-back titles, theres another guy who was just as big, if not bigger. he WAS recognized for it in XXXIX by winning mvp, he wasnt in XXXVIII. that person is deion branch, with a combined 21 catches 276 yds and 1 td in those titles (11 catches, 133 yds, 0 tds in his mvp performance).

in XXXVI tho, brady was just avg (16-27, 145 yds, 1 td) and it was defense and vinatieri that won it (law int returned for a td and a 48 yd vinatieri fg to win the game).

o ya, 3 questions to end the whole "how the pats were able to win 3 titles in 4 years" debate. 1) how many points did the pats win by in EACH superbowl?
2) what is the ONLY way to score that many points? and 3) who was the ONLY person to get those points, all being game-winners?

p.s. - the only time manning has "choked" in the post-season (that i can remember) was against the jets of 02, who were supposed to have barely made the playoffs. last year, it was another colt, by the name of vanderjagt, who choked it up big time.

Lurch1982 · 10-03-2006, 05:39 PM

Peyton's postseason stats:

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Year Opp Result | CMP ATT PYD PTD INT |RSH YD TD
---------------------+--------------------------+--------
1999 ten L,16-19 | 19 43 227 0 0 | 2 22 1
2000 mia L,17-23 | 17 32 194 1 0 | 1 -2 0
2002 nyj L,0-41 | 14 31 137 0 2 | 1 2 0
2003 den W41-10 | 22 26 377 5 0 | 1 0 0
2003 kan W,38-31 | 22 30 304 3 0 | 1 -1 0
2003 nwe L,14-24 23 47 237 1 4 | 2 4 0
2004 den W,49-24 | 27 33 457 4 1 | 1 1 1
2004 nwe L,3-20 | 27 42 238 0 1 | 1 6 0
2005 pit L,18-21 | 22 38 290 1 0 | 0 0 0
---------------------+--------------------------+-----
TOTAL | 193 322 2461 15 8 | 10 32 2

If you can't read the table: Peyton Manning statistics - pro-football-reference.com

It isn't so much that he doesn't show up, its just that he manages to completely stink out the place when they lose.

His stats during playoff losses are much more telling:

122/233 (52%), 1323 yards 3 TD/7 INT

This is the guy that easily lasers in 4 TDs a week and broke Marino's TD/Season record. This is an offensive team that rivals the Martz Rams in their heyday, except they can't bring it when it counts. This is why Peyton has a bad rap in the post-season: because he gets annihilated in critical games against defenses that aren't chumps.

Say what you want about Brady: he's 60+ and 20 as a starter, and he's the football equivalent to Mr. October.

shelty87 · 10-03-2006, 07:23 PM

well, i do agree brady has accounted for some of the most impressive post-season accomplishments in nfl history (maybe just montana can be considered better), thats undeniable. and as much as i hate him, he is easily a top 5 quarterback. he is more like an nfl version of mr. november rather than mr. october. brady is much more comparable to jeter than reggie jackson, in the sense that they may not be the greatest physical specimens, but they have all the intangibles and find a way to get the job done.

09-22-2006, 01:36 PM	#41
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Brandon2390 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Connecticut Posts: 10,315 Thanks: 5 Thanked 16 Times in 13 Posts Points: 35,492.12 Bank: 742.97 Total Points: 36,235.09 Donate	The title may be misleading, but I clearly explained it in my first post. What athlete is the most dominant force in his sport..obviously if we're talking about pure athleticism, Tiger Woods wouldn't be up there. But still, Tom Brady may be the best in the league, right now he's up there. That still doesnt make him that elite of a quarterback, considering the NFL is filled with mediocre QB's right now. I give Brady all the credit in playing in the clutch, which he's done, but he does do a lot of dumpoffs and short passes. Peyton's offense consists of a lot of longer passes, Brady dumps off to Corey Dillon or somebody else for short a lot. He's still very good, but he is overrated.

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Koga Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: The Netherlands Gender: Posts: 17,094 Thanks: 105 Thanked 177 Times in 119 Posts Points: 103,479.41 Bank: 17,752.41 Total Points: 121,231.82 Donate	Wouldn't sportsman be a better term then? When I think of athletes I don't think of sports like golf, formula 1, horse riding, or pool, for example.

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Brandon2390 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Connecticut Posts: 10,315 Thanks: 5 Thanked 16 Times in 13 Posts Points: 35,492.12 Bank: 742.97 Total Points: 36,235.09 Donate	You're right Dre...and I'll openly admit it if he did. But he wont.

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Brandon2390 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Connecticut Posts: 10,315 Thanks: 5 Thanked 16 Times in 13 Posts Points: 35,492.12 Bank: 742.97 Total Points: 36,235.09 Donate	I honestly dont hate Tom Brady. But I do feel he's overrated. Just my opinion, nothing more, nothing less.

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shelty87 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Gender: Posts: 88 Thanks: 4 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 2,509.00 Bank: 3,562.25 Total Points: 6,071.25 Donate	well, i do agree brady has accounted for some of the most impressive post-season accomplishments in nfl history (maybe just montana can be considered better), thats undeniable. and as much as i hate him, he is easily a top 5 quarterback. he is more like an nfl version of mr. november rather than mr. october. brady is much more comparable to jeter than reggie jackson, in the sense that they may not be the greatest physical specimens, but they have all the intangibles and find a way to get the job done.