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Lurch1982 · 09-29-2006, 03:21 PM

Grats guys, you clinched early and mailed in the last month. Too bad your top arm just went on the DL for the year. No more Pedro.

ESPN.com - MLB - Mets announce injured Pedro won't pitch in postseason

Guess what the Mets don't have that every other team in the running (except the Cards) have? SOLID PITCHING.

HAHAHAHA. Start the tear parade now Mets fans.

ShyGuy727 · 09-29-2006, 03:41 PM

I see what you did there.

**Crazyswordsman** · 09-29-2006, 04:59 PM

^^Screw you, Lurch. We don't need Pedro to win and it shows. Take your Yankee loving arse and shove it. -CSM

***ZeldaGirl*** · 09-29-2006, 05:45 PM

Wow Lurch, this is mature.

GURU ANT · 09-29-2006, 06:31 PM

Hey baby it's Sports Forum, trashtalking comes with loyality kids.

**Crazyswordsman** · 09-29-2006, 07:52 PM

We still have Tom Glavine. And Maine, El Duque, and Trachsel are adequate enough pitchers. -CSM

Mark Prior · 09-29-2006, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crazyswordsman

^^Screw you, Lurch. We don't need Pedro to win and it shows. Take your Yankee loving arse and shove it. -CSM

LOL he's a Cub fan, you moron

also, the Mets have been absolute garbage the last X weeks. You need better than "adequate" pitching in the playoffs, chump.

Lurch1982 · 09-29-2006, 09:32 PM

Are you a mouthbreather or something? Have you not read any of my posts concerning baseball? Me a Yankee lover? HAHAHAHAHAHA. I'm a Cubs fan first and formost, and have passing fandom interests with the Dodgers, As, Tigers, Houston, and Twins.

How am I a Yanks fan? Because I'm not hating on them at the moment? Maybe its because this is one of the very few years that I cannot hate on them. They managed to get slammed by injury and STILL come out annihilating the competition. They got their farm system back and brought up players that worked. Not that it matters though, Randy Johnson has a herniated disk or something and is likely washed for the year unless they start injecting him. If he's done, the Yanks are done.

Dude, are you serious? Glavine is the only real threat and can be extremely inconsistant, El Douche' is consistently inconsistant (and like Julio Franco has an age that seems to double every year), Maine is unproven, and friggin Trachsel is not the dude I'd want on the mound because he will often fall back into his once derogatory nickname (Trash-can). Yeah dude, even taking into account playoff baseball falls into 3-man rotations, its still a bad deal.

Hernandez pitched a whopping total of FOUR postseason innings last year in a relief role. Do you really want him starting? Dude is like 9-7 in 20 starts this year...that's way too many no decisions considering how strong the Mets offense can be.

So what, are you going to roll out Glavine, Maine, and Trachsel? Glavine's the only one on that staff worth a crap in the post season and the only one outside of Hernandez that has post-season pitching experience. He's also the only one that isn't having a piss poor month (ERA under 4.00, though too many no decisions IMO).

Maine's a young player who simply doesn't have the stuff. Much like Hernandez, he has waaaaaaaay too many no decisions, especially considering the Mets offense. His September has been thoroughly mediocre.

Trachsel has ZERO post-season experience, and he's been struggling as of late (1-3 with an ERA hovering under 5.00 for September). Yeah, I want to give him the ball

But really, how bad can the loss of Pedro be? There's a reason the Mets brought him in and payed a premium for him: look at his postseason numbers:
One ring, 6-2 over 13 games (11 starts), 3.40 ERA, 79.1 IP, and 80K to 26BB.

Yeah dude, the only team that staff will dominate (and even that's a question) is St. Louis, only because their pitching staff is worse than yours.

If Houston makes it, they have Oswalt, Pettitte, and Old Man Clemens bearing down on the World Series like a bullet train. Do you really want to face any of them in October? I sure as hell wouldn't.

Looking at the Dodgers: Maddux (turned season around after floundering in that Chicago trainwreck), Lowe (extremely hot September), and Penny. They have one pitcher who isn't coming down the stretch hot (Penny), but they've been playing hotter baseball down the stretch than the friggin Mets. In the era of the wild-card, the hot team almost ALWAYS wins.

Look at the Padres: They have DAVID FRIGGIN WELLS. Dude mails in the regular season, sure, but he's there for post-season ball. In TEN postseason years, dude's compiled 16 starts, 26 games, 10-4 and 3.15 era over 120 innings pitched (81 K v. 25 BB). Dude is clutch.

I know what you're thinking: why doesn't El Douche' count? Dude was shut down dominant in 1998, 99, 2000 and 2001. Yet in 02, 04, and 05, he had 5 appearances, 1 start, and 15 innings pitched. Yeah, a reliever, and one that got run out of NY (the team that, ya know, matters) for not getting it done.

So recap: Wells = Starter, El Douche' = Ambiguously aged reliever

On top of Wells, Woody Williams has piled together an amazing September (4-0 in 5 starts, 2.51 ERA). Even if you want to say Wells may be unreliable, Young has had a great month and season as well (Sept: 1-0 in 5 starts, 2.56 ERA, 31K to 15BB / Sea: 11-5, 3.46, 164K to 69BB).

And how can we forget about Peavy? He's come on strong this month and is 4-1 (6 starts) with a 2.43 ERA, 40 IP, and 41K to 12BB.

Yeah dude, you have no pitching at all. If I were a Mets fan, I'd pray that the Cards and Phillies made it, since they have mediocre staffs and teams that may or may not lose in a shootout.

Don't even give me this "Our offense blahblahblah" crap, you'll get dunked with more stats proving you stupid.

Pitching. Wins. In. The. Postseason.

[ed: spelling, cleaned up, etc]

**Crazyswordsman** · 09-30-2006, 01:29 AM

^^Cubs fan. Even worse. Always needing a scapegoat. At least we won two world series within the past fifty years. I have no respect for bandwagon fans in professional sports. I also go to school in St. Louis, so guess what my favorite MLB team is after the Mets and Baltimore?

Also, the Mets have always at least until the new ownership had a team built around pitching and they never got anywhere. Now their team is built on speed.

And 314: Of course the Mets suck now! They clinched their division so they're trying to conserve themselves for the playoffs!

I hope all this bashing comes to get you in the end. Lurch, you already said Notre Dame would be in the national championship and you got that taken away from you. I can't wait for October. -CSM

Lurch1982 · 09-30-2006, 02:35 AM

Funny how you don't address any of the stats or facts and attempt to insult me. Bring substance or get out.

Moi? Bandwagon fan? Oh no no no no no, it isn't that simple kid. I've been a Cubs fan my entire life. I grew up in a Cubs family, I've watched them my entire life. I've been to Wrigley when they sucked. I've watched them blow total ass. I liked them before Sosa was in the league. As far as "excuses," I only believe in one curse: the curse of the cheapassed stupid owner. Take the Cubs: they were mediocre because they didn't pay the talent. Once they started paying the talent, they made extremely bad moves in all levels of management, going from the field level to the Trib Company. STFU or you're going to get burned (again). I crap more about baseball in 3 minutes than you'll ever know.

I liked the Tigers in the 80s and have watched them ever since, same with the As (plus Moneyball). Dodgers are and have been my West Coast team (TM). Only reason I'm into Houston in any regard was because I watched Berkman in AAA in New Orleans annihilate the ball. Twins because they're giving Selig the finger every year they're competitive.

Because speed wins in the postseason, right? And they overpaid for Pedro because of his keen baserunning abilities and stolen base records, right? Because the plain and simple fact is that shutdown pitching wins championships and that is indisputable. The importance to building a World Series Team is in this order: Strong pitching, top defense, clutch hitting, speed. In that order.

Conserving for the playoffs = poor pitching performances from "adequete pitchers?"

Actually, if you'd bother to read, I said tOSU over ND for the National Chumpionship. One loss is enough to get you in this year...hell, maybe even 2 considering how weak NCAA football is in the power conferences this year. Bonus points for another year of SEC guys whining and moaning. Super bonus points if Sooner Nation keeps crying about the Oregon game EVEN THOUGH THEY MESSED UP THE FG.

**Crazyswordsman** · 09-30-2006, 12:05 PM

One loss may be enough to get you in. But getting blown away by The Victors and almost getting beaten by an unranked MSU and GT definitely won't. It'll probably be OSU/Auburn or OSU/USC or OSU/WVU at this rate. Hopefully though The Victors can beat them. -CSM

Lurch1982 · 09-30-2006, 12:50 PM

Irrelevant to this topic. Bring meat to the baseball discussion or accept the fact that Pedro kills the Mets chances of getting anything.

Although I will say this: a sketchy Notre Dame team gets a bid over a better suited team with the same record simply because of strength of schedule and the amount of ratings that Notre Dame brings to the table.

**Crazyswordsman** · 09-30-2006, 02:03 PM

But Notre Lame will probably lose to USC. And the only reason Notre Lame brings ratings is because NBC only airs their games and that's what's on. Which means most of the college football fans I talk to hate Notre Lame.

But yeah. The point is the Mets have focused on trying to get pitching all these years. Now, they're focusing on a speedy team. Jose Reyes and Paul Lo Duca are still loved by the media, and of course there's the Carloses and David Wright. And the Mets still have fast fielders. Pitching is only half the game. The Mets can still put up big numbers.

And Pedro wasn't so hot this year when he was healthy anyway. Any Mets fan knows the Mets can win without Pedro. They've done it all season long. I still believe and you can't convince me otherwise just like I can't convince you. -CSM

Lurch1982 · 10-01-2006, 05:00 PM

UPDATE: PEDRO WASHED FOR EIGHT MONTHS.

ESPN.com - MLB - Pedro to miss eight months after rotator cuff surgery

Not only did he wash out the Mets staff for the post-season, he's now one of the most expensive paperweights in NYC (not the most, that's the Knicks and Rangers).

The Mets caught one break: the ice-cold Cards snuck in. Granted, they're going to be playing a red-hot team out of the west (depending on the standings), so they're still going to have to deal with a red-hot pitching rotation in the first round.

Lurch1982 · 10-03-2006, 04:02 PM

I know, I know, the Mets were going to start Hernandez in game 1.

BUT THE PAIN-TRAIN KEEPS ON COMING!

ESPN.com - MLB/PLAYOFFS2006 - Calf injury could keep El Duque from Game 1 start

So its either bring in a chump against the red-hot Lowe (btw, Mets struggle against lefties: Beltran and Delgado hit .050 less against lefties), or move up Glavine and pitch him on short rest.

Try not to jump off any bridges Mets fans.

**Crazyswordsman** · 10-06-2006, 09:37 AM

I think I'll let the Mets speak for themselves, K? -CSM

Lurch1982 · 10-06-2006, 04:09 PM

Still have to win one more...though Nomar being questionable could be the difference maker.

Game one was handed to them due to idiotic baserunning. Should be a 1-1 series.

Question is how much longer is the bullpen going to hold up, especially with no starter outside of Glavine being able to go more than 5 without looking very sketchy.

**Crazyswordsman** · 10-06-2006, 05:20 PM

^Quit whining and take it like a man. "It should be" is the sign of a whiner. -CSM

Lurch1982 · 10-06-2006, 06:34 PM

No, if I wanted to whine, I'd go through the blatantly inconsistant ball-strike calls (both ways) they've had in the NYM/LAD, SD/STL, and NYY/DET series and the blown call on Hunter in game 3 of the As/Twins series.

Saying that the Dodgers' 3rd base coach should be immediately canned for sending Drew is common sense, and saying that if they keep Drew on and knock in TWO runs instead of one is a totally different ballgame and series is still common sense.

Nomar has a slight tear in his quad, but they didn't shelf him. Hopefully for you, he doesn't pull a Gibson.

**Crazyswordsman** · 10-06-2006, 07:02 PM

I'm just going to watch as it goes, okay? I'm going to be silent and let the Mets do what they have to. -CSM

09-29-2006, 03:21 PM	#1
Lurch1982 Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Katrinaland, USA Gender: Posts: 9,278 Thanks: 122 Thanked 253 Times in 140 Posts Points: 36,427.03 Bank: 338,725.11 Total Points: 375,152.14 Donate	M-E-T-S-SUCK-SUCK-SUCK Grats guys, you clinched early and mailed in the last month. Too bad your top arm just went on the DL for the year. No more Pedro. ESPN.com - MLB - Mets announce injured Pedro won't pitch in postseason Guess what the Mets don't have that every other team in the running (except the Cards) have? SOLID PITCHING. HAHAHAHA. Start the tear parade now Mets fans.

09-29-2006, 09:32 PM	#8
Lurch1982 Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Katrinaland, USA Gender: Posts: 9,278 Thanks: 122 Thanked 253 Times in 140 Posts Points: 36,427.03 Bank: 338,725.11 Total Points: 375,152.14 Donate	Are you a mouthbreather or something? Have you not read any of my posts concerning baseball? Me a Yankee lover? HAHAHAHAHAHA. I'm a Cubs fan first and formost, and have passing fandom interests with the Dodgers, As, Tigers, Houston, and Twins. How am I a Yanks fan? Because I'm not hating on them at the moment? Maybe its because this is one of the very few years that I cannot hate on them. They managed to get slammed by injury and STILL come out annihilating the competition. They got their farm system back and brought up players that worked. Not that it matters though, Randy Johnson has a herniated disk or something and is likely washed for the year unless they start injecting him. If he's done, the Yanks are done. Dude, are you serious? Glavine is the only real threat and can be extremely inconsistant, El Douche' is consistently inconsistant (and like Julio Franco has an age that seems to double every year), Maine is unproven, and friggin Trachsel is not the dude I'd want on the mound because he will often fall back into his once derogatory nickname (Trash-can). Yeah dude, even taking into account playoff baseball falls into 3-man rotations, its still a bad deal. Hernandez pitched a whopping total of FOUR postseason innings last year in a relief role. Do you really want him starting? Dude is like 9-7 in 20 starts this year...that's way too many no decisions considering how strong the Mets offense can be. So what, are you going to roll out Glavine, Maine, and Trachsel? Glavine's the only one on that staff worth a crap in the post season and the only one outside of Hernandez that has post-season pitching experience. He's also the only one that isn't having a piss poor month (ERA under 4.00, though too many no decisions IMO). Maine's a young player who simply doesn't have the stuff. Much like Hernandez, he has waaaaaaaay too many no decisions, especially considering the Mets offense. His September has been thoroughly mediocre. Trachsel has ZERO post-season experience, and he's been struggling as of late (1-3 with an ERA hovering under 5.00 for September). Yeah, I want to give him the ball But really, how bad can the loss of Pedro be? There's a reason the Mets brought him in and payed a premium for him: look at his postseason numbers: One ring, 6-2 over 13 games (11 starts), 3.40 ERA, 79.1 IP, and 80K to 26BB. Yeah dude, the only team that staff will dominate (and even that's a question) is St. Louis, only because their pitching staff is worse than yours. If Houston makes it, they have Oswalt, Pettitte, and Old Man Clemens bearing down on the World Series like a bullet train. Do you really want to face any of them in October? I sure as hell wouldn't. Looking at the Dodgers: Maddux (turned season around after floundering in that Chicago trainwreck), Lowe (extremely hot September), and Penny. They have one pitcher who isn't coming down the stretch hot (Penny), but they've been playing hotter baseball down the stretch than the friggin Mets. In the era of the wild-card, the hot team almost ALWAYS wins. Look at the Padres: They have DAVID FRIGGIN WELLS. Dude mails in the regular season, sure, but he's there for post-season ball. In TEN postseason years, dude's compiled 16 starts, 26 games, 10-4 and 3.15 era over 120 innings pitched (81 K v. 25 BB). Dude is clutch. I know what you're thinking: why doesn't El Douche' count? Dude was shut down dominant in 1998, 99, 2000 and 2001. Yet in 02, 04, and 05, he had 5 appearances, 1 start, and 15 innings pitched. Yeah, a reliever, and one that got run out of NY (the team that, ya know, matters) for not getting it done. So recap: Wells = Starter, El Douche' = Ambiguously aged reliever On top of Wells, Woody Williams has piled together an amazing September (4-0 in 5 starts, 2.51 ERA). Even if you want to say Wells may be unreliable, Young has had a great month and season as well (Sept: 1-0 in 5 starts, 2.56 ERA, 31K to 15BB / Sea: 11-5, 3.46, 164K to 69BB). And how can we forget about Peavy? He's come on strong this month and is 4-1 (6 starts) with a 2.43 ERA, 40 IP, and 41K to 12BB. Yeah dude, you have no pitching at all. If I were a Mets fan, I'd pray that the Cards and Phillies made it, since they have mediocre staffs and teams that may or may not lose in a shootout. Don't even give me this "Our offense blahblahblah" crap, you'll get dunked with more stats proving you stupid. Pitching. Wins. In. The. Postseason. [ed: spelling, cleaned up, etc] Last edited by Lurch1982; 09-29-2006 at 09:57 PM.

09-29-2006, 03:41 PM	#2
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09-29-2006, 04:59 PM	#3
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09-29-2006, 05:45 PM	#4
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09-29-2006, 06:31 PM	#5
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09-29-2006, 07:52 PM	#6
Crazyswordsman RPG Mod Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 8,584 Thanks: 633 Thanked 471 Times in 311 Posts Points: 167,288.15 Bank: 77,775.54 Total Points: 245,063.69 Donate	We still have Tom Glavine. And Maine, El Duque, and Trachsel are adequate enough pitchers. -CSM

09-30-2006, 01:29 AM	#9
Crazyswordsman RPG Mod Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 8,584 Thanks: 633 Thanked 471 Times in 311 Posts Points: 167,288.15 Bank: 77,775.54 Total Points: 245,063.69 Donate	^^Cubs fan. Even worse. Always needing a scapegoat. At least we won two world series within the past fifty years. I have no respect for bandwagon fans in professional sports. I also go to school in St. Louis, so guess what my favorite MLB team is after the Mets and Baltimore? Also, the Mets have always at least until the new ownership had a team built around pitching and they never got anywhere. Now their team is built on speed. And 314: Of course the Mets suck now! They clinched their division so they're trying to conserve themselves for the playoffs! I hope all this bashing comes to get you in the end. Lurch, you already said Notre Dame would be in the national championship and you got that taken away from you. I can't wait for October. -CSM

09-30-2006, 02:35 AM	#10
Lurch1982 Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Katrinaland, USA Gender: Posts: 9,278 Thanks: 122 Thanked 253 Times in 140 Posts Points: 36,427.03 Bank: 338,725.11 Total Points: 375,152.14 Donate	Funny how you don't address any of the stats or facts and attempt to insult me. Bring substance or get out. Moi? Bandwagon fan? Oh no no no no no, it isn't that simple kid. I've been a Cubs fan my entire life. I grew up in a Cubs family, I've watched them my entire life. I've been to Wrigley when they sucked. I've watched them blow total ass. I liked them before Sosa was in the league. As far as "excuses," I only believe in one curse: the curse of the cheapassed stupid owner. Take the Cubs: they were mediocre because they didn't pay the talent. Once they started paying the talent, they made extremely bad moves in all levels of management, going from the field level to the Trib Company. STFU or you're going to get burned (again). I crap more about baseball in 3 minutes than you'll ever know. I liked the Tigers in the 80s and have watched them ever since, same with the As (plus Moneyball). Dodgers are and have been my West Coast team (TM). Only reason I'm into Houston in any regard was because I watched Berkman in AAA in New Orleans annihilate the ball. Twins because they're giving Selig the finger every year they're competitive. Because speed wins in the postseason, right? And they overpaid for Pedro because of his keen baserunning abilities and stolen base records, right? Because the plain and simple fact is that shutdown pitching wins championships and that is indisputable. The importance to building a World Series Team is in this order: Strong pitching, top defense, clutch hitting, speed. In that order. Conserving for the playoffs = poor pitching performances from "adequete pitchers?" Actually, if you'd bother to read, I said tOSU over ND for the National Chumpionship. One loss is enough to get you in this year...hell, maybe even 2 considering how weak NCAA football is in the power conferences this year. Bonus points for another year of SEC guys whining and moaning. Super bonus points if Sooner Nation keeps crying about the Oregon game EVEN THOUGH THEY MESSED UP THE FG.

09-30-2006, 12:05 PM	#11
Crazyswordsman RPG Mod Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 8,584 Thanks: 633 Thanked 471 Times in 311 Posts Points: 167,288.15 Bank: 77,775.54 Total Points: 245,063.69 Donate	One loss may be enough to get you in. But getting blown away by The Victors and almost getting beaten by an unranked MSU and GT definitely won't. It'll probably be OSU/Auburn or OSU/USC or OSU/WVU at this rate. Hopefully though The Victors can beat them. -CSM

09-30-2006, 12:50 PM	#12
Lurch1982 Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Katrinaland, USA Gender: Posts: 9,278 Thanks: 122 Thanked 253 Times in 140 Posts Points: 36,427.03 Bank: 338,725.11 Total Points: 375,152.14 Donate	Irrelevant to this topic. Bring meat to the baseball discussion or accept the fact that Pedro kills the Mets chances of getting anything. Although I will say this: a sketchy Notre Dame team gets a bid over a better suited team with the same record simply because of strength of schedule and the amount of ratings that Notre Dame brings to the table.

09-30-2006, 02:03 PM	#13
Crazyswordsman RPG Mod Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 8,584 Thanks: 633 Thanked 471 Times in 311 Posts Points: 167,288.15 Bank: 77,775.54 Total Points: 245,063.69 Donate	But Notre Lame will probably lose to USC. And the only reason Notre Lame brings ratings is because NBC only airs their games and that's what's on. Which means most of the college football fans I talk to hate Notre Lame. But yeah. The point is the Mets have focused on trying to get pitching all these years. Now, they're focusing on a speedy team. Jose Reyes and Paul Lo Duca are still loved by the media, and of course there's the Carloses and David Wright. And the Mets still have fast fielders. Pitching is only half the game. The Mets can still put up big numbers. And Pedro wasn't so hot this year when he was healthy anyway. Any Mets fan knows the Mets can win without Pedro. They've done it all season long. I still believe and you can't convince me otherwise just like I can't convince you. -CSM

10-01-2006, 05:00 PM	#14
Lurch1982 Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Katrinaland, USA Gender: Posts: 9,278 Thanks: 122 Thanked 253 Times in 140 Posts Points: 36,427.03 Bank: 338,725.11 Total Points: 375,152.14 Donate	UPDATE: PEDRO WASHED FOR EIGHT MONTHS. ESPN.com - MLB - Pedro to miss eight months after rotator cuff surgery Not only did he wash out the Mets staff for the post-season, he's now one of the most expensive paperweights in NYC (not the most, that's the Knicks and Rangers). The Mets caught one break: the ice-cold Cards snuck in. Granted, they're going to be playing a red-hot team out of the west (depending on the standings), so they're still going to have to deal with a red-hot pitching rotation in the first round.

10-03-2006, 04:02 PM	#15
Lurch1982 Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Katrinaland, USA Gender: Posts: 9,278 Thanks: 122 Thanked 253 Times in 140 Posts Points: 36,427.03 Bank: 338,725.11 Total Points: 375,152.14 Donate	I know, I know, the Mets were going to start Hernandez in game 1. BUT THE PAIN-TRAIN KEEPS ON COMING! ESPN.com - MLB/PLAYOFFS2006 - Calf injury could keep El Duque from Game 1 start So its either bring in a chump against the red-hot Lowe (btw, Mets struggle against lefties: Beltran and Delgado hit .050 less against lefties), or move up Glavine and pitch him on short rest. Try not to jump off any bridges Mets fans.

10-06-2006, 09:37 AM	#16
Crazyswordsman RPG Mod Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 8,584 Thanks: 633 Thanked 471 Times in 311 Posts Points: 167,288.15 Bank: 77,775.54 Total Points: 245,063.69 Donate	I think I'll let the Mets speak for themselves, K? -CSM

10-06-2006, 04:09 PM	#17
Lurch1982 Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Katrinaland, USA Gender: Posts: 9,278 Thanks: 122 Thanked 253 Times in 140 Posts Points: 36,427.03 Bank: 338,725.11 Total Points: 375,152.14 Donate	Still have to win one more...though Nomar being questionable could be the difference maker. Game one was handed to them due to idiotic baserunning. Should be a 1-1 series. Question is how much longer is the bullpen going to hold up, especially with no starter outside of Glavine being able to go more than 5 without looking very sketchy.

10-06-2006, 05:20 PM	#18
Crazyswordsman RPG Mod Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 8,584 Thanks: 633 Thanked 471 Times in 311 Posts Points: 167,288.15 Bank: 77,775.54 Total Points: 245,063.69 Donate	^Quit whining and take it like a man. "It should be" is the sign of a whiner. -CSM

10-06-2006, 06:34 PM	#19
Lurch1982 Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Katrinaland, USA Gender: Posts: 9,278 Thanks: 122 Thanked 253 Times in 140 Posts Points: 36,427.03 Bank: 338,725.11 Total Points: 375,152.14 Donate	No, if I wanted to whine, I'd go through the blatantly inconsistant ball-strike calls (both ways) they've had in the NYM/LAD, SD/STL, and NYY/DET series and the blown call on Hunter in game 3 of the As/Twins series. Saying that the Dodgers' 3rd base coach should be immediately canned for sending Drew is common sense, and saying that if they keep Drew on and knock in TWO runs instead of one is a totally different ballgame and series is still common sense. Nomar has a slight tear in his quad, but they didn't shelf him. Hopefully for you, he doesn't pull a Gibson.

10-06-2006, 07:02 PM	#20
Crazyswordsman RPG Mod Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 8,584 Thanks: 633 Thanked 471 Times in 311 Posts Points: 167,288.15 Bank: 77,775.54 Total Points: 245,063.69 Donate	I'm just going to watch as it goes, okay? I'm going to be silent and let the Mets do what they have to. -CSM