CSM's anti-Notre Lame topic

**Crazyswordsman** · 09-30-2006, 02:07 PM

Made so I can convince Lurch that Notre Lame doesn't deserve to go to the title game. They were blown away by Michigan, almost beaten by MSU and Georgia Tech, and will probably lose to USC. The rest of their schedule is really easy. The teams with the hardest schedules are in the toughest confrerence right now, the SEC. Auburn, LSU, Florida, and my beloved Georgia Dawgs are all ranked, Auburn and Florida in the top five, Georgia is in the top ten (although they don't deserve it). The SEC is ALWAYS the tough conference, so one of them should be in the Title game. -CSM

ShyGuy727 · 10-01-2006, 10:57 AM

**Crazyswordsman** · 10-01-2006, 12:23 PM

I remember Lurch made a comment about Notre Lame's strong schedule. Let's see how strong it is, shall we?
-Stanford
-UCLA
-Navy
-North Carolina
-Air Force
-Army
-USC

"Strong schedule" my ass. It's about as strong as your average Pac-10 team, meaning a bunch of crap teams and USC. Any of the unbeaten SEC teams deserves a national championship bid over these wimps. -CSM

Lurch1982 · 10-01-2006, 01:30 PM

The BCS doesn't take into account what should happen, nor does it take into account real life. Hence my call of a ND/tOSU BCS game.

Funny, you left off GaTech, Penn State, scUM, and Purdue (and to a very lesser extent Mich State, but they only matter in hoops). Throw those teams in and their schedule looks just as good as any power team's schedule.

The SEC is thoroughly overrated. Once you get past the top 3 teams in it, it rivals the bottom half of the PAC-10, Big East, or ACC (meaning trash). Even then, the only power team in that conference I think could actually not pull an OU in the national championship is Auburn.

**Crazyswordsman** · 10-01-2006, 03:19 PM

GaTech I'll give you, even though it was only a four point win. PSU's been screwing up lately. Purdue just sucks. And as for "scUM," remember we kicked their butts. And MSU played very well against them, they only beat them by three.

SEC overrated? Alabama played a great game against Florida. USC played great against Auburn. Now Florida has LSU, Georgia, and Alabama. The SEC is always the toughest conference.

And Michigan has most of the same teams Notre Dame has, only they exchange a much overrated USC for Ohio State. I think Michigan has a tougher schedule. Georgia has a tougher schedule. Florida has a tougher schedule. Auburn and LSU have tougher schedules.

You honestly think Purdue and Michigan State are tougher than UF, LSU, and Auburn. Teams ALWAYS play tough against each other, and unless the team is Vanderbilt, UK, or a Mississippi team, there's no sure win in the SEC.

So Notre Lame will NOT be in the BCS title game, and Brady Quinn will not win the Heismann, especially if Troy Smith keeps playing the way he does (and I hope he keeps playing well except on 11/18). -CSM

Lurch1982 · 10-01-2006, 03:42 PM

Are you kidding? SEC schedules only have like 3 games worth a shiit, just like ND's schedule (or any other power-team's schedule). For every Auburn, you have AT LEAST 3 teams like Miss State or Kentucky.

USC is overrated? HA. Two of the best recievers, a good line, and a QB that could have been starting at a power school since he was a true-fresh. Yeah, overrated my ass.

The BCS is a trash system, and until it gets scrapped, its going to reward teams like ND because they'll bring in higher ratings. I'm not even a ND fan (I usually root against them), but I am a realist on several points.

1.) If I have the top pick and I'm looking for a QB in the NFL that's NFL ready, I'd get Quinn in a heartbeat, no questions asked (though he isn't the best person in the draft...that's Peterson from OU if he comes out). Weiss is a pro coach using a pro playbook, and that sets ND players over others.

2.) ND automatically gets a bias due to history, ratings, schedule, and the whole legacy crap. If you have a whole slew of one loss teams and one of them is ND, ND gets in. Its a simple fact that you can blame on the horrendous BCS system.

**Crazyswordsman** · 10-01-2006, 04:06 PM

Rather Quinn than Troy Smith? And just because of Charlie Weiss? Wow.

Except that, by law, no matter WHAT the rankings, the BCS title game will be between the top two ranked teams. Meaning if Notre Lame is still number 12, they will most likely get an at large and a brusing in their game.

And honestly why should legacy matter? The most legacied team in the nation if you want to go like that is your hated Michigan. -CSM

Lurch1982 · 10-01-2006, 04:48 PM

I'll take Quinn over Troy Smith simply because Quinn is pro ready right now. Its the same reason why I'd take Leinart (and Cutler) over Young: they have the eye, they have fundamentals, they can survive in the pros with no break-in period, and they can read/understand/run out of a pro playbook (well, Leinart can, not sure about Cutler).

Don't get me wrong, Troy Smith looked impressive down the stretch last year and looks good this year, but my knock is going to be the same that I have on Young: he's going to have a period of adjustment before he can do anything in the pros. Quinn is pro ready right now. Granted, the Raiders will likely pass on him for a DB or something idiotic again.

Notre Dame is often overpolled and they'll get the benefit of the doubt than, say, Auburn. Its not right, but its reality. The BCS system is inherantly flawed, like a few years ago when LSWho played OU in the Sugar Bowl even though they were coming off a loss to a crap team in the Big-12 championship game. Just because a number 2 team is at number 2 doesn't mean anything because polls are trash. If all teams are equal at 1 loss, they'll get in over everyone else.

Yeah, because when the nation thinks of college football, they think of scUM and not the obnoxious ND fight song.

**Crazyswordsman** · 10-01-2006, 05:14 PM

This is why I say it should be an 8 or even 4-team tournament, so the teams that DESERVE the bid at least have a fair shot. -CSM

09-30-2006, 02:07 PM	#1
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10-01-2006, 10:57 AM	#2
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10-01-2006, 12:23 PM	#3
Crazyswordsman RPG Mod Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 8,359 Thanks: 585 Thanked 435 Times in 286 Posts Points: 152,505.97 Bank: 54,455.27 Total Points: 206,961.24 Donate	I remember Lurch made a comment about Notre Lame's strong schedule. Let's see how strong it is, shall we? -Stanford -UCLA -Navy -North Carolina -Air Force -Army -USC "Strong schedule" my ass. It's about as strong as your average Pac-10 team, meaning a bunch of crap teams and USC. Any of the unbeaten SEC teams deserves a national championship bid over these wimps. -CSM

10-01-2006, 01:30 PM	#4
Lurch1982 Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Katrinaland, USA Gender: Posts: 9,230 Thanks: 120 Thanked 220 Times in 131 Posts Points: 31,921.87 Bank: 251,677.75 Total Points: 283,599.62 Donate	The BCS doesn't take into account what should happen, nor does it take into account real life. Hence my call of a ND/tOSU BCS game. Funny, you left off GaTech, Penn State, scUM, and Purdue (and to a very lesser extent Mich State, but they only matter in hoops). Throw those teams in and their schedule looks just as good as any power team's schedule. The SEC is thoroughly overrated. Once you get past the top 3 teams in it, it rivals the bottom half of the PAC-10, Big East, or ACC (meaning trash). Even then, the only power team in that conference I think could actually not pull an OU in the national championship is Auburn.

10-01-2006, 03:19 PM	#5
Crazyswordsman RPG Mod Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 8,359 Thanks: 585 Thanked 435 Times in 286 Posts Points: 152,505.97 Bank: 54,455.27 Total Points: 206,961.24 Donate	GaTech I'll give you, even though it was only a four point win. PSU's been screwing up lately. Purdue just sucks. And as for "scUM," remember we kicked their butts. And MSU played very well against them, they only beat them by three. SEC overrated? Alabama played a great game against Florida. USC played great against Auburn. Now Florida has LSU, Georgia, and Alabama. The SEC is always the toughest conference. And Michigan has most of the same teams Notre Dame has, only they exchange a much overrated USC for Ohio State. I think Michigan has a tougher schedule. Georgia has a tougher schedule. Florida has a tougher schedule. Auburn and LSU have tougher schedules. You honestly think Purdue and Michigan State are tougher than UF, LSU, and Auburn. Teams ALWAYS play tough against each other, and unless the team is Vanderbilt, UK, or a Mississippi team, there's no sure win in the SEC. So Notre Lame will NOT be in the BCS title game, and Brady Quinn will not win the Heismann, especially if Troy Smith keeps playing the way he does (and I hope he keeps playing well except on 11/18). -CSM

10-01-2006, 03:42 PM	#6
Lurch1982 Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Katrinaland, USA Gender: Posts: 9,230 Thanks: 120 Thanked 220 Times in 131 Posts Points: 31,921.87 Bank: 251,677.75 Total Points: 283,599.62 Donate	Are you kidding? SEC schedules only have like 3 games worth a shiit, just like ND's schedule (or any other power-team's schedule). For every Auburn, you have AT LEAST 3 teams like Miss State or Kentucky. USC is overrated? HA. Two of the best recievers, a good line, and a QB that could have been starting at a power school since he was a true-fresh. Yeah, overrated my ass. The BCS is a trash system, and until it gets scrapped, its going to reward teams like ND because they'll bring in higher ratings. I'm not even a ND fan (I usually root against them), but I am a realist on several points. 1.) If I have the top pick and I'm looking for a QB in the NFL that's NFL ready, I'd get Quinn in a heartbeat, no questions asked (though he isn't the best person in the draft...that's Peterson from OU if he comes out). Weiss is a pro coach using a pro playbook, and that sets ND players over others. 2.) ND automatically gets a bias due to history, ratings, schedule, and the whole legacy crap. If you have a whole slew of one loss teams and one of them is ND, ND gets in. Its a simple fact that you can blame on the horrendous BCS system.

10-01-2006, 04:06 PM	#7
Crazyswordsman RPG Mod Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 8,359 Thanks: 585 Thanked 435 Times in 286 Posts Points: 152,505.97 Bank: 54,455.27 Total Points: 206,961.24 Donate	Rather Quinn than Troy Smith? And just because of Charlie Weiss? Wow. Except that, by law, no matter WHAT the rankings, the BCS title game will be between the top two ranked teams. Meaning if Notre Lame is still number 12, they will most likely get an at large and a brusing in their game. And honestly why should legacy matter? The most legacied team in the nation if you want to go like that is your hated Michigan. -CSM

10-01-2006, 04:48 PM	#8
Lurch1982 Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Katrinaland, USA Gender: Posts: 9,230 Thanks: 120 Thanked 220 Times in 131 Posts Points: 31,921.87 Bank: 251,677.75 Total Points: 283,599.62 Donate	I'll take Quinn over Troy Smith simply because Quinn is pro ready right now. Its the same reason why I'd take Leinart (and Cutler) over Young: they have the eye, they have fundamentals, they can survive in the pros with no break-in period, and they can read/understand/run out of a pro playbook (well, Leinart can, not sure about Cutler). Don't get me wrong, Troy Smith looked impressive down the stretch last year and looks good this year, but my knock is going to be the same that I have on Young: he's going to have a period of adjustment before he can do anything in the pros. Quinn is pro ready right now. Granted, the Raiders will likely pass on him for a DB or something idiotic again. Notre Dame is often overpolled and they'll get the benefit of the doubt than, say, Auburn. Its not right, but its reality. The BCS system is inherantly flawed, like a few years ago when LSWho played OU in the Sugar Bowl even though they were coming off a loss to a crap team in the Big-12 championship game. Just because a number 2 team is at number 2 doesn't mean anything because polls are trash. If all teams are equal at 1 loss, they'll get in over everyone else. Yeah, because when the nation thinks of college football, they think of scUM and not the obnoxious ND fight song.

10-01-2006, 05:14 PM	#9
Crazyswordsman RPG Mod Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 8,359 Thanks: 585 Thanked 435 Times in 286 Posts Points: 152,505.97 Bank: 54,455.27 Total Points: 206,961.24 Donate	This is why I say it should be an 8 or even 4-team tournament, so the teams that DESERVE the bid at least have a fair shot. -CSM