Vick the coach-killer to be traded?

Lurch1982 · 12-02-2006, 03:49 AM

No story yet because I'm lazy, but reports state that Atlanta is discussing a deal with Oakland for the offseason that would send Vick to Oakland for a package of draft picks and possibly a player (cough MOSS/PORTER cough).

Posing this to the resident Falcon fans here: what do you think? Rob old man davis of his future picks and build around schuab, or keep going with the Michael Vick experience?

**NintendoNut** · 12-02-2006, 06:01 PM

Vick going to Oakland = End of career.

GURU ANT · 12-02-2006, 07:55 PM

GURU ANT · 12-02-2006, 08:27 PM

Now that I'm off the phone, I'll explain.

Vick being traded to Oakland for Moss or Porter would put him back at square one.

A talent behind an O-line that can't get the job done (the OAK line, jsut because they suck, where as Atlanta's has come from inconsistancy, and more recently, injury) and a less than average WR core. No doubt that Moss and Porter will be gone next season, so Al will be dealing with another drop dead offense (that now has slight production.
I wouldn't mind if Vick got sent anywhere else BUT Oakland.

However, Blank knows that Vick is not hte problem, not only that, but he loves the guy too much to let him go.

If anyone leaves this offseason, it's Knapp.

Then Donatell, Mora Jr., and McKay, in that order. And that's just management.

Who knows what players will be gone, all I could tell you is that your source is more than likely wrong.

And, this article could very well explain it.

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The 'Perfect Storm' may hit Coach Jim Mora this weekend. Even though many have started to report in the past three to four weeks that Mora's job is 'on the line', there is a slim possibility that Jim Mora, Jr. may be 'cleaning out his locker' this weekend.

How could this happen? Well, the 'Perfect Storm' is a collection of events happening at the same time that may garner an impulsive reaction from owner Arthur Blank. Mr. Blank is rather disappointed and embarrassed how the season has gone and every week that the Falcons lose, it further put the nails in Coach Mora's coffin.

Even though the Washington pass defense has been rather inconsistent, but they are more than capable of putting up a strong performance led by hard-hitting super safety Sean Taylor. Washington has had a rather disappointing year themselves under Joe Gibbs, but a win on Sunday would give the Redskins a 5 and 7 record and would have a 40 percent chance of making the playoffs.

What could tick off Arthur Blank so much that Jim Mora will be a fading memory by this time next week?

1. TJ Duckett having a 'big game' vs. his old team and the diminutive 180 lb RB Warrick Dunn being stuffed repeatedly at the goal line. If Dunn is 'exposed' like the WRs have been to the national media this past week, it will be another arrow in Blank's ego. Duckett was wronged in Atlanta, and 2006 has shown that scoring in the 'red zone' has been a diffcult task--especially for Warrick. The Duckett 'haters' would say anyone could do it, but that proclamation has fallen flat just like when Vick's critics have been forced to realize that the WRs are the problem not Vick's accuracy.

If TJ scores and the Redskins win in convincing fashion. And for added measure, if TJ 'put the nail in the coffin' when he gets in the endzone in a contested game that Mr. Blank's needs to win... it will not be 'pretty'...

1. A Washington winning in convincing fashion
2. Duckett scoring two or three times, and putting the nail in the coffin 'each time'
3. Dunn still not scoring in the red zone and having Vick out-rush him (again)
4. The WRs not catching the ball
5. Mora's post game conference

Mora is defintely in trouble, and it is not likely he will be fired THIS WEEKEND, but if the 'Perfect Storm' of events happen, it could very well happen.

If you're Atlanta, your choices are:

1. Keep the guy that has put your team in positions to win numerous times, and get talent around him to make a productive offense. In doing this, you trade Schaub to an organization that needs him. I'd say he and Vick are on the same spectrum, only difference is Vick is faster, yet Schaub is taller.

2. You keep Schaub, and do nothing else. In essence killing the career of another quarterback

3. You keep Schaub and clean house, yet when this offense picks up (if this is done), they'll all blame Vick, and say he sucks, yet the whole offense will have been cleaned out.

4. You do absolutely nothing, and hope to God that no one gets injured next season.

Lurch1982 · 12-02-2006, 08:42 PM

I think if you're getting lit up by washington, you have to start changing out players. I would bench Vick in a damn heartbeat and put in Schuab. Even if you don't plan on trading Vick, you need to work out Schuab and show that he's a quality starter that you can get some trade value. Send him out west and try to get a disgruntled reciever and/or a high draft pick.

Atlanta's in a bad position for how they're playing: they're not playing well enough to keep with their players or management, and they're not playing bad enough to get a good draft pick.

I see them grabbing a WR in the draft. Heavy wideout draft. Could see them going RB, but they already have a good one (Vick). Get someone who can jump-catch the damn ball and dump some of those jabronis you have.

Source = ESPN Radio, Fox Radio, Jim Rome, and ESPN broadcast. I'm sure I could find it in a paper or something, but I'm too lazy to check prosportsdaily or sportspages.

GURU ANT · 12-02-2006, 08:53 PM

I've been looking, but can't find them. I really wanna read more about this, so post a link as soon as you find it.

Norwood was drafted for the future, and he looks like he'll be the future. Getting Jerry Porter (not Moss, not too sure about him now) in exchange for Schaub would be the absolute sh*t. At least Vick will have a WR that can catch when you call his number (consistantly). I would love to see Calvin Johnson in a Falcons uniform.

If he were to fail as a WR, I would then call Vick a WR-killer, but Jenkins and White showed too much promise at moments last season for me to say that Vick is the problem.

12-02-2006, 03:49 AM	#1
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12-02-2006, 08:42 PM	#5
Lurch1982 Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Katrinaland, USA Gender: Posts: 9,278 Thanks: 122 Thanked 253 Times in 140 Posts Points: 36,435.03 Bank: 338,725.11 Total Points: 375,160.14 Donate	I think if you're getting lit up by washington, you have to start changing out players. I would bench Vick in a damn heartbeat and put in Schuab. Even if you don't plan on trading Vick, you need to work out Schuab and show that he's a quality starter that you can get some trade value. Send him out west and try to get a disgruntled reciever and/or a high draft pick. Atlanta's in a bad position for how they're playing: they're not playing well enough to keep with their players or management, and they're not playing bad enough to get a good draft pick. I see them grabbing a WR in the draft. Heavy wideout draft. Could see them going RB, but they already have a good one (Vick). Get someone who can jump-catch the damn ball and dump some of those jabronis you have. Source = ESPN Radio, Fox Radio, Jim Rome, and ESPN broadcast. I'm sure I could find it in a paper or something, but I'm too lazy to check prosportsdaily or sportspages.

12-02-2006, 08:53 PM	#6
GURU ANT What's this what's this a trick with a twist? Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Shhhh, it's a secret right now Gender: Posts: 13,619 Thanks: 1,146 Thanked 757 Times in 438 Posts Points: 25,850.80 Bank: 1,348,323.25 Total Points: 1,374,174.05 Donate	I've been looking, but can't find them. I really wanna read more about this, so post a link as soon as you find it. Norwood was drafted for the future, and he looks like he'll be the future. Getting Jerry Porter (not Moss, not too sure about him now) in exchange for Schaub would be the absolute sh*t. At least Vick will have a WR that can catch when you call his number (consistantly). I would love to see Calvin Johnson in a Falcons uniform. If he were to fail as a WR, I would then call Vick a WR-killer, but Jenkins and White showed too much promise at moments last season for me to say that Vick is the problem.