No wonder song girls can't cheer

**Crazyswordsman** · 02-10-2007, 07:48 PM

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Further proving to me that Southern Cal is one of the only two schools left that likes to keep its strong academic students weak and its athletes dumb. -CSM

**Perrin Aybara** · 02-11-2007, 12:00 AM

The sad thing is that athletics in universities are just going to keep getting uglier and uglier, letting academic integrity slide for all of that money that comes in from sports. How far will this go? Will it just keep getting worse and worse?

So much for universties being all about, you know, learning.

Oh, and what the heck is a song girl, anyway? Heh. Shows how much I learned in college. I guess my engineering and computer science classes never covered that one.-jay

**Crazyswordsman** · 02-11-2007, 02:53 PM

A "Song Girl" is a term for a cheerleader for Southern Cal.

And I agree about academic integrity there. Frankly, I'm someone who believes the best athletes make the best students and vice versa. I believe success in the classroom translates to success on the field. -CSM

Lurch1982 · 02-11-2007, 04:46 PM

Why don't you post things about other universities that have similar problems? Oh wait, that's all of them. I went to a Sun Belt institution for undergrad (if you can name 3 teams in that conference without looking it up, props to you) and that school even had "jock classes" and professors that had extremely light grading philosophies. But maybe that's isolated, I mean, surely this doesn't go on at quality large schools. I mean, every Auburn athlete got a well earned education and attended classes (Just ask Sir Charles). Hell, tOSU athletes never take blowoff classes!

Wah wah wah from UCLA people with shortman complexes even though they own the PAC 10 in hoops.

**Crazyswordsman** · 02-11-2007, 08:26 PM

It's not just at USC. It's a problem that's pretty universal. Hell, I'm pretty sure Michigan athletes are the same way. It just seems that USC always is the place where it stands out the most. This is a school known for this kind of practice. One out of every five students admitted is a legacy (most of any school in the country), the student body is so polarized, and there's just so much more of these types of values engrained into the USC administration.

And frankly, in this situation, USC athletes are taking these required classes AWAY from USC with a VERY easy teacher, more so than most of the programs schools have for their athletes. This is someone who gives away As and Bs so athletes can't flunk off the team. She even gave an A to offensive lineman Matt Spanos, who sat out the 2006 season and was barred from the Rose Bowl for poor grades.

In this situation it just got out of hand. -CSM

Oh, and the Sunbelt teams? Florida Atlantic, Florida International, Middle Tennessee, Troy, Louisiana Tech, and Arkansas State. There. SIX without looking it up.

ShyGuy727 · 02-11-2007, 08:58 PM

Louisiana Tech is in the WAC, buddy.

**Crazyswordsman** · 02-12-2007, 12:21 AM

^Nope, that's LA Monroe and LA Lafyette. -CSM

Lurch1982 · 02-12-2007, 12:58 AM

Nah dude, La Tech is in the WAC and UL-Monroe and UL-Lafayette are in the Sunbelt (I went to ULL).

Look, I'm just saying, if we really examined other football powerhouses, do you think we'd also see players taking blowoff classes and courses at the local CC to get better grades? College sports are extremely filthy, ranging from "friends of the program" to "grades for play" scandals. If you shine a light on even the ****tiest D-I program, you're going to find violations.

**Crazyswordsman** · 02-12-2007, 11:39 AM

Okay, I got 'em mixed up. Sue me.

And did I not say I agree with you? Did you read my last post?

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Hell, I'm pretty sure Michigan athletes are the same way.

But I'm just saying that at USC the school is sanctioning it a lot more than at others. -CSM

Lurch1982 · 02-12-2007, 05:48 PM

Even so, I knew tons of non-athletes that took their Freshman Math or Foreign Language requirements at a CC because the grading was easier. If they're sending the dumber jocks at USC to a CC to take required coursed, I'm not seeing how its any different than a regular student doing the same thing. Maybe I'm missing something with the NCAA regulations, which without looking at them I can say that they likely have some heavy-handed restriction on taking courses outside of your school. If that's the case, its yet another reason why the NCAA regulations need a severe overhaul.

**Crazyswordsman** · 02-12-2007, 06:23 PM

Well in some cases it can be justifiable in order to avoid too heavy a courseload. I have to take tons of courses at my local college just so I can graduate on time (my major is THAT long), but even I don't take it at community college. I do it at local, smaller universities, and even at places like RUTGERS.

But doing it because it's "Jocky" or because you're lazy is no reason. -CSM

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Lurch1982 Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Katrinaland, USA Gender: Posts: 9,278 Thanks: 122 Thanked 253 Times in 140 Posts Points: 36,419.03 Bank: 338,725.11 Total Points: 375,144.14 Donate	Why don't you post things about other universities that have similar problems? Oh wait, that's all of them. I went to a Sun Belt institution for undergrad (if you can name 3 teams in that conference without looking it up, props to you) and that school even had "jock classes" and professors that had extremely light grading philosophies. But maybe that's isolated, I mean, surely this doesn't go on at quality large schools. I mean, every Auburn athlete got a well earned education and attended classes (Just ask Sir Charles). Hell, tOSU athletes never take blowoff classes! Wah wah wah from UCLA people with shortman complexes even though they own the PAC 10 in hoops.

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Lurch1982 Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Katrinaland, USA Gender: Posts: 9,278 Thanks: 122 Thanked 253 Times in 140 Posts Points: 36,419.03 Bank: 338,725.11 Total Points: 375,144.14 Donate	Nah dude, La Tech is in the WAC and UL-Monroe and UL-Lafayette are in the Sunbelt (I went to ULL). Look, I'm just saying, if we really examined other football powerhouses, do you think we'd also see players taking blowoff classes and courses at the local CC to get better grades? College sports are extremely filthy, ranging from "friends of the program" to "grades for play" scandals. If you shine a light on even the ****tiest D-I program, you're going to find violations.

02-12-2007, 05:48 PM	#10
Lurch1982 Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Katrinaland, USA Gender: Posts: 9,278 Thanks: 122 Thanked 253 Times in 140 Posts Points: 36,419.03 Bank: 338,725.11 Total Points: 375,144.14 Donate	Even so, I knew tons of non-athletes that took their Freshman Math or Foreign Language requirements at a CC because the grading was easier. If they're sending the dumber jocks at USC to a CC to take required coursed, I'm not seeing how its any different than a regular student doing the same thing. Maybe I'm missing something with the NCAA regulations, which without looking at them I can say that they likely have some heavy-handed restriction on taking courses outside of your school. If that's the case, its yet another reason why the NCAA regulations need a severe overhaul.

02-12-2007, 06:23 PM	#11
Crazyswordsman RPG Mod Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 8,584 Thanks: 633 Thanked 471 Times in 311 Posts Points: 167,278.15 Bank: 77,775.54 Total Points: 245,053.69 Donate	Well in some cases it can be justifiable in order to avoid too heavy a courseload. I have to take tons of courses at my local college just so I can graduate on time (my major is THAT long), but even I don't take it at community college. I do it at local, smaller universities, and even at places like RUTGERS. But doing it because it's "Jocky" or because you're lazy is no reason. -CSM