Chargers fire Marty Schottenheimer

Lurch1982 · 02-12-2007, 09:27 PM

ESPN News/ESPN.com just broke it: Martyball is done in San Diego. No story yet, but details should filter out in a few hours.

Grats Chargers on making an extremely stupid move. Hopefully he goes to a team that gets to stick you where it hurts.

Total bastard move on their part too. They fired him after the coaching carousel was over with, insuring that there will likely be no Martyball next year in the NFL. Awesome way to stick Marty in the back after he made your franchise relevant and set up the pieces to make a serious run.

**Crazyswordsman** · 02-12-2007, 09:58 PM

Let's just pray he doesn't end up in Dallas. -CSM

GURU ANT · 02-12-2007, 10:08 PM

Dallas already has Wade.

Atlanta should like...try and pick him up or something...too bad our staff is full.

Bomby · 02-12-2007, 10:19 PM

Wait, the Chargers are still around? Didn't they die off after they lost the Superbowl to San Francisco way back in like 1995?

**Crazyswordsman** · 02-12-2007, 11:54 PM

Yeah, it's a little late since you guys have Petrino now.

Pittsburgh already has someone as well.

How about Oakland? They're firing Art Shell, no? -CSM

BrandonTragedy · 02-12-2007, 11:56 PM

So they fired the guy, who was able to hold the team together, with out an experienced QB. there complete fools, he is a big part of the reason they win games, even with his really bad playoff record.

**NintendoNut** · 02-13-2007, 04:12 PM

From what I see, it's the GM (forgot the name) who has made the bad moves throughout Schottenheimer's season rather than Marty himself (Letting Brees go, for example, I reckon that was a bad decision). To do a 180 on what was said a month ago about him being 'safe' too, that's gotta be killer.

Any coachless team would want him though, I definitely would.

Aydzz12 · 02-13-2007, 06:32 PM

Yup, Real smart move, I heard about it yesterday, Cause I live in San Diego.

BrandonTragedy · 02-13-2007, 07:13 PM

^you should definitely read the post above, how were all saying its stupid. The guy held the Chargers together, with no decent QB. The crappy GM got lucky that Phillip Rivers could do, what little he could do. And that LT could have one of his biggest seasons, but now i really see Chargers going down the pipes from here.

Unless you were being sarcastic...

GURU ANT · 02-13-2007, 08:50 PM

I think he was. And the info was released nationwide Bartman, not locally first.

Auron · 02-14-2007, 05:13 PM

For once, I actually agree with something Lurch has said. If there's one thing the Charger's should have done to maintain some continuity after the O and D coordinators left, it would be to keep Marty. But nooooooooo. Any chance of SD winnign the SuperBowl next year has just been shot to hell. Good job Spanos, good job A.J. Smith, you just made a huge mistake.

Lurch1982 · 02-21-2007, 10:21 PM

They fired Schotty for Norv Turner.

Let's compare this move:

Schotty:
205-139-1 (.613) / 5-13 in the playoffs (.278)
Let's look at this: in Schotty's 21 seasons, he had TWO losing seasons.

Turner:
58-82-1 (.411) / 1-1 Playoffs (.500)
In Turner's 9 years, he's had FIVE losing seasons.

You replaced one of the winningest coaches of the last two decades with one of the worst coaches of the last decade. Yeah guys, awesome upgrade.

Hell, Schotty's lost 57 more games than Turner, and he has 12 more years on him.

Schotty's coaching tree:
Cam Cameron, Bill Cowher (Marvin Lewis, Ken Wisenhunt), Herm Edwards, Tony Dungy (Lovie Smith, Rod Marinelli, Mike Tomlin), Wade Phillips

How is Turner an upgrade to a "coach that can't get it done in the postseason?" Norv Turner has two playoff games (both in the same season) and has posted a mediocre record. In his years at Oakland (before they totally became an island of misfit toys), he managed ONE win against the AFC West in TWO seasons. Jerry Rice, one of the alltime nice guys of the NFL, threw him under the bus last week on SoCal sports radio, saying Turner couldn't keep control of a team or motivate players.

You hear it here first kiddies: Chargers MISS the playoffs in 2006. Between Denver and KC, I don't see them making it through the division without a good coach.

**Crazyswordsman** · 02-22-2007, 12:01 AM

Ugh. This means the Clots will probably repeat.

-CSM

Lurch1982 · 02-22-2007, 02:29 AM

Doubt it.

They're looking at possibly losing Rhodes, and seeing how the league is shifting to a solid 2-back set, I'm not sure they'll be able to fill that hole with just Addai or someone out of the draft or free agency.

Its a bit early to start calling repeat when there are several teams looking to upgrade and several teams that are entirely dependent on what they do in the draft and free agency (Specifically: New Orleans and Philly...former needs a D-back and linebacker, latter needs a WR and some D replacements).

It's extremely hard to repeat in the NFL, and the only reason the Pats managed to do it was because of their solid defense and skilled receivers (neither of which they really have anymore). The Colts aren't really set up to succeed in multiple championships IMO. Defense isn't great, receivers are aging, and their offensive production across the board has been declining the last few years. The division is on an upswing, so they may get clipped more in the division. Playoff team? Barring a massive injury or two: yeah. Championship team? Too early to tell.

BrandonTragedy · 02-22-2007, 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crazyswordsman

Ugh. This means the Clots will probably repeat.

-CSM

Even though your sad about it, that post makes me happy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lurch1982

Doubt it.

They're looking at possibly losing Rhodes, and seeing how the league is shifting to a solid 2-back set, I'm not sure they'll be able to fill that hole with just Addai or someone out of the draft or free agency.

Its a bit early to start calling repeat when there are several teams looking to upgrade and several teams that are entirely dependent on what they do in the draft and free agency (Specifically: New Orleans and Philly...former needs a D-back and linebacker, latter needs a WR and some D replacements).

It's extremely hard to repeat in the NFL, and the only reason the Pats managed to do it was because of their solid defense and skilled receivers (neither of which they really have anymore). The Colts aren't really set up to succeed in multiple championships IMO. Defense isn't great, receivers are aging, and their offensive production across the board has been declining the last few years. The division is on an upswing, so they may get clipped more in the division. Playoff team? Barring a massive injury or two: yeah. Championship team? Too early to tell.

If Rhodes goes, it will be a loss, but I think that Addai will get almost all of the touches anyway. And Addai is looking like a great future back.

Like you said, too early.

They will still have Marvin, who will probably retire after next year, Reggie, as you guys have stated, one of the better in the league, number one on just about any team. And Stokly is great, he just has to stay from being injured, than you look at are awesome tight end staff, are receiving team should do fine.

Auron · 02-22-2007, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crazyswordsman

Ugh. This means the Clots will probably repeat.

-CSM

If anything, I see them going to the playoffs and dropping out in the first two rounds. I don't even see Chicago going back to the Superbowl next year. Until San Diego dropped a bomb with they're coaching choice, they would have been the team with the best chance of winning. But I don't see how Norv Turner can possibly get the job done. He's a good coordinator, he proved that in Dallas, but he's a bad coach. This also applies to Wade Phillips. Dallas definately made a mistake there too. There's no way in hell Wade will be able to keep TO under control.

Lurch1982 · 02-22-2007, 12:36 PM

Stokely may or may not be a cap casualty in camp. If they wind up cutting someone for salary, it'll be him (especially coming off an injury season). Manning restructuring will help them either chase one Free Agent or keep the core in place.

Addai is shaping up to be a fine back, but I'm not sure I'd want to shift to a one-back system. The two-headed approach seems to work better in the modern NFL, especially in that system since it allows you to tap out Addai after he has several consecutive plays and lets you put in a legitimate threat that can keep running the ball or taking those dumpoff passes.

I think Chicago missed its window. I could see them getting to the Superbowl next year if they sign Lovie to an extension (which looks like they aren't) and Mike Brown manages to stay healthy. Franchising Briggs, while bad for every team that needs a linebacker, was a smart move. All depends on how Grossman performs down the stretch and how the Packers turn out. Green Bay turned it on the last few weeks of the season, and if they make a move (rumored to be going for Moss) or manage a good Free Agent or gem in the draft, I could see them sneaking that division. Minnesota is DOA, as is Detroit. Neither has the pieces in place to make a run at that division. I think Chicago makes the playoffs, but no homefield and probably no bye.

Dallas goes 8-8. Maybe 6-10. Don't see them doing much because that's going to turn into a total circus by the end of the first month.

BrandonTragedy · 02-22-2007, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Addai is shaping up to be a fine back, but I'm not sure I'd want to shift to a one-back system. The two-headed approach seems to work better in the modern NFL, especially in that system since it allows you to tap out Addai after he has several consecutive plays and lets you put in a legitimate threat that can keep running the ball or taking those dumpoff passes.

yes, but right now were setting him up for future failure because were letting him play half of the game, a few more years of that and that will be what he is used to, and in the future, when we only have him, he will have less endurance.

**NintendoNut** · 02-22-2007, 05:17 PM

Cato June goes, that's almost a certainty. They've tagged Freeney which is the smart move in my opinion. Rob Morris has been a free agent for two years, so MAYBE now there will be a bit more interest in him and I see Rhodes staying, to be honest.

The loss of June won't be big at all. He had a baaaaad season and only performed slightly better in the playoffs. Drafting linebacker in the first round seems like an option (assuming Montae Reagor and Corey Simon come back then the DL woes will be solved, even one of them would do). Heck, they may even draft safety because you have to assume Bob Sanders is going to be an injury risk. Safety depth is thin once you get past Bethea.

EDIT: Soul Meets Body, I think you've missed a trick on Dungy's plan for Addai. He played half a game in the regular season, just so he was fresh for the playoffs. Then he got more touches in the playoffs. Dungy's gonna gradually bring him on for more and more in a game.

BrandonTragedy · 02-22-2007, 05:27 PM

Quote:

EDIT: Soul Meets Body, I think you've missed a trick on Dungy's plan for Addai. He played half a game in the regular season, just so he was fresh for the playoffs. Then he got more touches in the playoffs. Dungy's gonna gradually bring him on for more and more in a game.

As much as I hate to say this, I don't think he meant to do that, he was probably just a bit afraid to give the rookie that much pressure, by time the playoffs rolled by he was seeing that Addai would not choke.

02-12-2007, 09:27 PM	#1
Lurch1982 Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Katrinaland, USA Gender: Posts: 9,278 Thanks: 122 Thanked 253 Times in 140 Posts Points: 36,413.03 Bank: 338,725.11 Total Points: 375,138.14 Donate	Chargers fire Marty Schottenheimer ESPN News/ESPN.com just broke it: Martyball is done in San Diego. No story yet, but details should filter out in a few hours. Grats Chargers on making an extremely stupid move. Hopefully he goes to a team that gets to stick you where it hurts. Total bastard move on their part too. They fired him after the coaching carousel was over with, insuring that there will likely be no Martyball next year in the NFL. Awesome way to stick Marty in the back after he made your franchise relevant and set up the pieces to make a serious run.

02-21-2007, 10:21 PM	#12
Lurch1982 Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Katrinaland, USA Gender: Posts: 9,278 Thanks: 122 Thanked 253 Times in 140 Posts Points: 36,413.03 Bank: 338,725.11 Total Points: 375,138.14 Donate	The laugh-hits keep on coming They fired Schotty for Norv Turner. Let's compare this move: Schotty: 205-139-1 (.613) / 5-13 in the playoffs (.278) Let's look at this: in Schotty's 21 seasons, he had TWO losing seasons. Turner: 58-82-1 (.411) / 1-1 Playoffs (.500) In Turner's 9 years, he's had FIVE losing seasons. You replaced one of the winningest coaches of the last two decades with one of the worst coaches of the last decade. Yeah guys, awesome upgrade. Hell, Schotty's lost 57 more games than Turner, and he has 12 more years on him. Schotty's coaching tree: Cam Cameron, Bill Cowher (Marvin Lewis, Ken Wisenhunt), Herm Edwards, Tony Dungy (Lovie Smith, Rod Marinelli, Mike Tomlin), Wade Phillips How is Turner an upgrade to a "coach that can't get it done in the postseason?" Norv Turner has two playoff games (both in the same season) and has posted a mediocre record. In his years at Oakland (before they totally became an island of misfit toys), he managed ONE win against the AFC West in TWO seasons. Jerry Rice, one of the alltime nice guys of the NFL, threw him under the bus last week on SoCal sports radio, saying Turner couldn't keep control of a team or motivate players. You hear it here first kiddies: Chargers MISS the playoffs in 2006. Between Denver and KC, I don't see them making it through the division without a good coach.

02-12-2007, 09:58 PM	#2
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BrandonTragedy Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Some where u dont know Gender: Posts: 8,072 Thanks: 213 Thanked 146 Times in 127 Posts Points: 16,973.12 Bank: 105,150.76 Total Points: 122,123.88 Donate	So they fired the guy, who was able to hold the team together, with out an experienced QB. there complete fools, he is a big part of the reason they win games, even with his really bad playoff record.

02-13-2007, 04:12 PM	#7
NintendoNut NinNut Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hold on, I know this..... Gender: Posts: 8,298 Thanks: 84 Thanked 41 Times in 31 Posts Points: 49,469.76 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 49,469.76 Donate	From what I see, it's the GM (forgot the name) who has made the bad moves throughout Schottenheimer's season rather than Marty himself (Letting Brees go, for example, I reckon that was a bad decision). To do a 180 on what was said a month ago about him being 'safe' too, that's gotta be killer. Any coachless team would want him though, I definitely would.

02-13-2007, 06:32 PM	#8
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02-13-2007, 07:13 PM	#9
BrandonTragedy Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Some where u dont know Gender: Posts: 8,072 Thanks: 213 Thanked 146 Times in 127 Posts Points: 16,973.12 Bank: 105,150.76 Total Points: 122,123.88 Donate	^you should definitely read the post above, how were all saying its stupid. The guy held the Chargers together, with no decent QB. The crappy GM got lucky that Phillip Rivers could do, what little he could do. And that LT could have one of his biggest seasons, but now i really see Chargers going down the pipes from here. Unless you were being sarcastic...

02-13-2007, 08:50 PM	#10
GURU ANT What's this what's this a trick with a twist? Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Shhhh, it's a secret right now Gender: Posts: 13,619 Thanks: 1,146 Thanked 757 Times in 438 Posts Points: 25,837.80 Bank: 1,348,323.25 Total Points: 1,374,161.05 Donate	I think he was. And the info was released nationwide Bartman, not locally first.

02-14-2007, 05:13 PM	#11
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02-22-2007, 12:01 AM	#13
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02-22-2007, 02:29 AM	#14
Lurch1982 Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Katrinaland, USA Gender: Posts: 9,278 Thanks: 122 Thanked 253 Times in 140 Posts Points: 36,413.03 Bank: 338,725.11 Total Points: 375,138.14 Donate	Doubt it. They're looking at possibly losing Rhodes, and seeing how the league is shifting to a solid 2-back set, I'm not sure they'll be able to fill that hole with just Addai or someone out of the draft or free agency. Its a bit early to start calling repeat when there are several teams looking to upgrade and several teams that are entirely dependent on what they do in the draft and free agency (Specifically: New Orleans and Philly...former needs a D-back and linebacker, latter needs a WR and some D replacements). It's extremely hard to repeat in the NFL, and the only reason the Pats managed to do it was because of their solid defense and skilled receivers (neither of which they really have anymore). The Colts aren't really set up to succeed in multiple championships IMO. Defense isn't great, receivers are aging, and their offensive production across the board has been declining the last few years. The division is on an upswing, so they may get clipped more in the division. Playoff team? Barring a massive injury or two: yeah. Championship team? Too early to tell.

02-22-2007, 12:36 PM	#17
Lurch1982 Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Katrinaland, USA Gender: Posts: 9,278 Thanks: 122 Thanked 253 Times in 140 Posts Points: 36,413.03 Bank: 338,725.11 Total Points: 375,138.14 Donate	Stokely may or may not be a cap casualty in camp. If they wind up cutting someone for salary, it'll be him (especially coming off an injury season). Manning restructuring will help them either chase one Free Agent or keep the core in place. Addai is shaping up to be a fine back, but I'm not sure I'd want to shift to a one-back system. The two-headed approach seems to work better in the modern NFL, especially in that system since it allows you to tap out Addai after he has several consecutive plays and lets you put in a legitimate threat that can keep running the ball or taking those dumpoff passes. I think Chicago missed its window. I could see them getting to the Superbowl next year if they sign Lovie to an extension (which looks like they aren't) and Mike Brown manages to stay healthy. Franchising Briggs, while bad for every team that needs a linebacker, was a smart move. All depends on how Grossman performs down the stretch and how the Packers turn out. Green Bay turned it on the last few weeks of the season, and if they make a move (rumored to be going for Moss) or manage a good Free Agent or gem in the draft, I could see them sneaking that division. Minnesota is DOA, as is Detroit. Neither has the pieces in place to make a run at that division. I think Chicago makes the playoffs, but no homefield and probably no bye. Dallas goes 8-8. Maybe 6-10. Don't see them doing much because that's going to turn into a total circus by the end of the first month.

02-22-2007, 05:17 PM	#19
NintendoNut NinNut Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hold on, I know this..... Gender: Posts: 8,298 Thanks: 84 Thanked 41 Times in 31 Posts Points: 49,469.76 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 49,469.76 Donate	Cato June goes, that's almost a certainty. They've tagged Freeney which is the smart move in my opinion. Rob Morris has been a free agent for two years, so MAYBE now there will be a bit more interest in him and I see Rhodes staying, to be honest. The loss of June won't be big at all. He had a baaaaad season and only performed slightly better in the playoffs. Drafting linebacker in the first round seems like an option (assuming Montae Reagor and Corey Simon come back then the DL woes will be solved, even one of them would do). Heck, they may even draft safety because you have to assume Bob Sanders is going to be an injury risk. Safety depth is thin once you get past Bethea. EDIT: Soul Meets Body, I think you've missed a trick on Dungy's plan for Addai. He played half a game in the regular season, just so he was fresh for the playoffs. Then he got more touches in the playoffs. Dungy's gonna gradually bring him on for more and more in a game.