The Big Ten...STILL up in the air?

**Crazyswordsman** · 11-10-2007, 07:13 PM

First, I'm going to criticize Michigan. Not even my team is above criticism in my book. We had a chance to win and Mallett blew it. We let them score two TDs when we were down by a mere two points to let them have the lead. We played horrible. Our D can't tackle anybody.

But OSU was revealed today, too, against the Illini. I didn't get to watch that game, but it looked to me like Todd Boeckman was exposed (I ALWAYS thought he was the most overrated QB in the NCAA right now; but I also thought Wells or whoever he is is the most underrated RB in the NCAA right now).

So the rivalry still has meaning. -CSM

BrandonTragedy · 11-10-2007, 10:49 PM

Go IL! whoo. lol i dont really know anything about college football, but i watched the last couple plays of the game =D

Lurch1982 · 11-10-2007, 11:06 PM

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The Big Ten...STILL sucks.

Fix'd.

Platinum · 11-11-2007, 12:00 AM

poor Ohio State, go LSU

**Crazyswordsman** · 11-11-2007, 01:35 AM

Yes, the Big Ten does suck, Lurch. And it's OoC record proves it. Michigan lost to Appy State, obviously, and Wisconsin also had close scares against I-AA The Citadel, Minnesota lost to I-AA North Dakota State (who is still making the transition from D-2), and Iowa lost to lowly Iowa State.

This proves that this is a down year for the Big Ten.

And, as we all agree, the SEC is by FAR the best conference.

But I've been wondering, do we have any PROOF of that? If I recall correctly, the SEC's only big OOC win was LSU over Virginia Tech. Let's take a look:
South Carolina: Biggest win over lowly North Carolina, who isn't any good at anything until the round, orange balls come out.
Georgia: I love the Dawgs, but their biggest win was against OK-State, a win that doesn't look impressive since OK-State lost to lowly Troy State.
Florida: No decent OoC wins to prove itself.
Tennessee: Got smoked by California, a loss that looks worse and worse since Cal keeps losing and losing
Kentucky: Beat Louisville, which is another underachieving team this season, losing to lowly Cuse (a loss which I'm always happy about)
Bama: Lost to a very mediocre Florida State team which, although it beat BC, lost to Miami.
Auburn: Got smoked by South Florida
Ole Miss: Lost to WVU
Mississippi State: Lost to Mizzou

And so, when an SEC team beats a team that was supposed to win, the pundits go "Oh wow, this means the SEC is so tough!" When a team from any other conference beats a similar team, the pundits go "Oh wow, that's the sloppiest game I've ever seen!" As much as the SEC deserves respect, I still think this is kind of a double standard.

And this isn't just the Big Ten (hell, this season, it isn't the Big Ten at all). It's also the Pac-10, the Little 12 (although I see NO decent wins on their resumes, save Mizzou over Illinois, or Texas over TCU. Hell, A&M lost to lowly Miami) and, yes, the BIG EAST. -CSM

DJ Ryan · 11-11-2007, 01:57 AM

Miss State barely pulled one out against us BTW.

ShyGuy727 · 11-11-2007, 11:01 AM

I love how the SEC can just play itself and then people call it the best conference.

LSU played Louisiana Tech this week- you didn't hear a word about it from the media. If tOSU was playing them this week instead of Illinois the media would have been throwing a huge crapfest about how Ohio State or the Big Ten doesn't play anybody.

The Big Ten and SEC both have ten bowl eligible teams. There is a difference in the quality of play this year, but it's not as ginormous as everyone chooses to believe it is.

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Originally Posted by Death by Exsanguination

Go IL! whoo. lol i dont really know anything about college football, but i watched the last couple plays of the game =D

I also love how people get so excited when Ohio State loses. But I guess I understand since it's only happened 4 times in 3 years. 28 in a row. Damn impressive. Had to end sometime. Nobody can really say ****, except for Illinois fans, if they exist.

Plus it gives The Big Ten Championship game an old school feel to it- Ohio State-Michigan, winner goes to Rose Bowl and wins the conference. Siiiick.

BrandonTragedy · 11-11-2007, 11:13 AM

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I also love how people get so excited when Ohio State loses. But I guess I understand since it's only happened 4 times in 3 years. 28 in a row. Damn impressive. Had to end sometime. Nobody can really say ****, except for Illinois fans, if they exist.

<-------- IL fan.

ShyGuy727 · 11-11-2007, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Death by Exsanguination

<-------- IL fan.

Not that big of one apparently if you only watched the last few snaps.

Where were you before the game, gutless?

BrandonTragedy · 11-11-2007, 11:38 AM

lol i never watch College football. Its quite boring too me. idk why. i guess i just like knowing every player on the feild, which is why i like NFL.

**Crazyswordsman** · 11-11-2007, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ShyGuy727

I also love how people get so excited when Ohio State loses. But I guess I understand since it's only happened 4 times in 3 years. 28 in a row. Damn impressive. Had to end sometime. Nobody can really say ****, except for Illinois fans, if they exist.

Plus it gives The Big Ten Championship game an old school feel to it- Ohio State-Michigan, winner goes to Rose Bowl and wins the conference. Siiiick.

To be fair, ESPN did make it the top story. But it seems every time Michigan loses, they get more rap than if any other team loses. -CSM

Lurch1982 · 11-11-2007, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ShyGuy727

I love how the SEC can just play itself and then people call it the best conference.

LSU played Louisiana Tech this week- you didn't hear a word about it from the media. If tOSU was playing them this week instead of Illinois the media would have been throwing a huge crapfest about how Ohio State or the Big Ten doesn't play anybody.

The Big Ten and SEC both have ten bowl eligible teams. There is a difference in the quality of play this year, but it's not as ginormous as everyone chooses to believe it is.

The SEC is the biggest circle-jerk conference out there. That being said, they all generally schedule one good, ranked team per year. The Big 10 hasn't performed well out of its conference and as a whole stacked up a ****ton of cupcakes.

Plus, with LSU, there's that whole thing of wins over #9 Va Tech, #12 S Carolina, #9 FLA, #17 Auburn, and #17 Alabama with the only loss coming from #17 Kentucky. Va Tech, FLA, and KY are still in it, Auburn's just out of the top 25. tOSU's ranked opponents are either gone (ala Purdue) or just hanging on that cust of "just in, just out" (Wisconsin, Penn State). Come on now, I'm defending LSU getting the 1 spot and their SoS and I despise that team.

Really, best conferences are the PAC-10 and Big 12. LSU will lose again. They've been letting teams play too close too often.

Oregon-KU/OU/Mizzou?! BCS Big Game at the End FTW.

DJ Ryan · 11-11-2007, 06:14 PM

Oregon/KU

**Crazyswordsman** · 11-11-2007, 08:30 PM

I think I already mentioned why the Little 12 sucks. I like to think that Kansas is benefiting from their nice, Oklahoma and Texas-free schedule (unless they have yet to play them) and Mizzou is benefiting nicely from its Texas-free schedule.

LSU-Oregon. That's my prediction right now, and that's the game I want to see. Oregon has some very high quality wins, and LSU is, well, LSU. The only team they could lose to is Georgia (and I hope to God they do). But there are two things I don't want to see in the NC game:
-A Little 12 school
-Ohio State

-CSM

**Crazyswordsman** · 11-12-2007, 10:02 AM

That's why they're 9-4 against major conferences this year, a better record than any other conference, and why they have 10 bowl eligible teams. -CSM

**Dr. Horrible** · 11-12-2007, 11:46 AM

"Little 12" is not clever. Stop saying it.

Lurch1982 · 11-12-2007, 02:54 PM

I will when they get back on top and stop 1.) not playing anyone or 2.) stop choking in big games.

Big 10 good? Uh? Maybe in Basketball.

7-23 (AP) 10-26 (USA Today) against ranked opponents?

Bowl eligability doesn't mean crap in major conferences, especially sinc e there's about 3 billion bowls. The SEC has "10 bowl contenders" in it. Except they play people outside of conference.

You have 3 teams ranked, with two that are bordering on falling out (Wisc and UM).

Let's see, "quality" wins over Washington State (sucks), Notre Dame (historically bad season), Syracuse (sucks), Pitt (Mediocre), Syracuse again (sucks), Washington (sucks), Notre Dame Again, Notre Dame AGAIN, NOTRE DAME AGAIN.

Holy crap, those are some great wins against teams that don't have winning records. Notre Dame alone skews the opponent's W/L record to 4-32. Then there's 2-8 syracuse, who alone puts it at 4-16. The W/L record of those 9 "quality" wins against "major" opponents:
19-66.

Nineteen and sixty-six.

And since when was ND a major conference? Right now they're lower than the indy service academies and Western Kentucky. You're 4-4 against major conferences and 5-0 against Notre Dame. Congrats.

What was with those four losses:

Mizzou (9-1), Oregon (8-1), Iowa St. (3-8) and DUKE (1-9). Yeah man, real quality conference. The two good teams you play won (Oregon smoked UM and Mizzou beat Ill), Iowa dropped to its state rival and Duke clipped someone.

This also doesn't get to the ultimate scoreboard list:
Bowling Green
Florida Atlantic
Duke
North Dakota State

Granted, 3 of those 4 were against the Golden Gophers, but you still have a loss by a "Bowl eligable team" to DUKE.

Oh wait, I knew I forgot one:
Appy State 34, #5 Michigan 32

The Big 11 sucks in football. Get over it. Maybe one team that should be sniffing BCS bids, that's it. Hawaii proves itself more than the Little 11. They (Hawaii) have problems with scheduling people while the Little 11 goes out to load up on the Appy States, Bowling Greens, Akrons, Youngstowns, directional michigans, and perenial conference bottomfeeders (Both washingtons and Syracuse and Duke).

You can make a case for tOSU being good and solid and blahblahblah, but don't try to claim your conference is great. You beat up on Notre Dame in FIVE out of your NINE wins. Without that scrub-squad, your conference is 4-4, with losses against the only good teams in the bunch (and Duke).

QED.

Darunia00 · 11-12-2007, 04:23 PM

OoC is overrated in college football. Teams are required to play 8 conference games out of a 12 game schedule. Those are the only games of any significance in the sport, as you could lose your first 4, win out in conference and make it to a BCS bowl. Michigan's losses to App. State and Oregon, though completely embarassing, is ultimately irrelevant in the big picture. They were on pace to win the Big 10 and I think still can if the take out OSU, although I may be wrong.

In terms of overall quality and quality of teams played/beaten, I might venture that the Pac-10 is strongest this year. They play the most balanced football and have pretty solid resumes to back it up. The SEC, while certainly strong, really strikes me as the same teams playing the same brand of football with few exceptions. Really, all it's about is recruiting. A perfect example is when Urban Meyer decided to go with 2 QBs last season, LSU and South Carolina followed suit (and possibly a few other programs that I didn't notice). That's why SEC teams only lose to each other; they play a brand of football totally unique to their own conference. Unless they play teams that can match up with them OoC, they'll run train as usual. The only team I see as capable of taking out an LSU or a Florida in a bowl game would be Oklahoma and *maybe* Oregon. If, for instance, BC won out as I'd hoped they would (unfortunately for me, they suck) and played LSU, the game would have been a bloodbath. If Ohio State won out, that game would have also been a disaster. Nowadays, you just won't see a Penn State beat a Miami like in 1986(?).

DJ Ryan · 11-12-2007, 04:59 PM

The whole BCS in college football is ridiculous and pointless.

It pretty much rids competition in college football (until this season at least) seeing as the bigger schools tend to just play smaller schools to build up their potential spot in the championship.

I believe BCS should be scrapped, I believe all these polls and whatnot need to be stopped, and I think it needs to be done by conference, that's what you have them for.

Lurch1982 · 11-12-2007, 05:37 PM

I'm for scrapping the polls, BCS, and Bowl System and seeding a 32 team tourney with every conference winner (11 teams) getting automatically in and the rest seeded by essentially RPI ala basketball (SoS, SoC, quality wins, etc). It would force bigger OoC games in order to strengthen RPI and would provide for better TV.

Just name the games using existing bowl sites and names to keep the sponsors happy. Not like there isn't more than enough garbage bowls and sites to keep them happy.

11-12-2007, 10:02 AM	#15
Crazyswordsman RPG Mod Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 8,359 Thanks: 585 Thanked 435 Times in 286 Posts Points: 152,513.97 Bank: 54,455.27 Total Points: 206,969.24 Donate	Okay, the Big Ten really DOES suck. That's why they're 9-4 against major conferences this year, a better record than any other conference, and why they have 10 bowl eligible teams. -CSM

11-10-2007, 07:13 PM	#1
Crazyswordsman RPG Mod Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 8,359 Thanks: 585 Thanked 435 Times in 286 Posts Points: 152,513.97 Bank: 54,455.27 Total Points: 206,969.24 Donate	The Big Ten...STILL up in the air? First, I'm going to criticize Michigan. Not even my team is above criticism in my book. We had a chance to win and Mallett blew it. We let them score two TDs when we were down by a mere two points to let them have the lead. We played horrible. Our D can't tackle anybody. But OSU was revealed today, too, against the Illini. I didn't get to watch that game, but it looked to me like Todd Boeckman was exposed (I ALWAYS thought he was the most overrated QB in the NCAA right now; but I also thought Wells or whoever he is is the most underrated RB in the NCAA right now). So the rivalry still has meaning. -CSM

11-10-2007, 10:49 PM	#2
BrandonTragedy Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Some where u dont know Gender: Posts: 8,072 Thanks: 213 Thanked 147 Times in 127 Posts Points: 15,663.12 Bank: 103,088.98 Total Points: 118,752.10 Donate	Go IL! whoo. lol i dont really know anything about college football, but i watched the last couple plays of the game =D

11-11-2007, 12:00 AM	#4
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11-11-2007, 01:35 AM	#5
Crazyswordsman RPG Mod Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 8,359 Thanks: 585 Thanked 435 Times in 286 Posts Points: 152,513.97 Bank: 54,455.27 Total Points: 206,969.24 Donate	Yes, the Big Ten does suck, Lurch. And it's OoC record proves it. Michigan lost to Appy State, obviously, and Wisconsin also had close scares against I-AA The Citadel, Minnesota lost to I-AA North Dakota State (who is still making the transition from D-2), and Iowa lost to lowly Iowa State. This proves that this is a down year for the Big Ten. And, as we all agree, the SEC is by FAR the best conference. But I've been wondering, do we have any PROOF of that? If I recall correctly, the SEC's only big OOC win was LSU over Virginia Tech. Let's take a look: South Carolina: Biggest win over lowly North Carolina, who isn't any good at anything until the round, orange balls come out. Georgia: I love the Dawgs, but their biggest win was against OK-State, a win that doesn't look impressive since OK-State lost to lowly Troy State. Florida: No decent OoC wins to prove itself. Tennessee: Got smoked by California, a loss that looks worse and worse since Cal keeps losing and losing Kentucky: Beat Louisville, which is another underachieving team this season, losing to lowly Cuse (a loss which I'm always happy about) Bama: Lost to a very mediocre Florida State team which, although it beat BC, lost to Miami. Auburn: Got smoked by South Florida Ole Miss: Lost to WVU Mississippi State: Lost to Mizzou And so, when an SEC team beats a team that was supposed to win, the pundits go "Oh wow, this means the SEC is so tough!" When a team from any other conference beats a similar team, the pundits go "Oh wow, that's the sloppiest game I've ever seen!" As much as the SEC deserves respect, I still think this is kind of a double standard. And this isn't just the Big Ten (hell, this season, it isn't the Big Ten at all). It's also the Pac-10, the Little 12 (although I see NO decent wins on their resumes, save Mizzou over Illinois, or Texas over TCU. Hell, A&M lost to lowly Miami) and, yes, the BIG EAST. -CSM

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11-11-2007, 11:38 AM	#10
BrandonTragedy Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Some where u dont know Gender: Posts: 8,072 Thanks: 213 Thanked 147 Times in 127 Posts Points: 15,663.12 Bank: 103,088.98 Total Points: 118,752.10 Donate	lol i never watch College football. Its quite boring too me. idk why. i guess i just like knowing every player on the feild, which is why i like NFL.

11-11-2007, 06:14 PM	#13
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11-11-2007, 08:30 PM	#14
Crazyswordsman RPG Mod Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 8,359 Thanks: 585 Thanked 435 Times in 286 Posts Points: 152,513.97 Bank: 54,455.27 Total Points: 206,969.24 Donate	I think I already mentioned why the Little 12 sucks. I like to think that Kansas is benefiting from their nice, Oklahoma and Texas-free schedule (unless they have yet to play them) and Mizzou is benefiting nicely from its Texas-free schedule. LSU-Oregon. That's my prediction right now, and that's the game I want to see. Oregon has some very high quality wins, and LSU is, well, LSU. The only team they could lose to is Georgia (and I hope to God they do). But there are two things I don't want to see in the NC game: -A Little 12 school -Ohio State -CSM

11-12-2007, 11:46 AM	#16
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11-12-2007, 02:54 PM	#17
Lurch1982 Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Katrinaland, USA Gender: Posts: 9,230 Thanks: 120 Thanked 220 Times in 131 Posts Points: 31,931.87 Bank: 251,677.75 Total Points: 283,609.62 Donate	I will when they get back on top and stop 1.) not playing anyone or 2.) stop choking in big games. Big 10 good? Uh? Maybe in Basketball. 7-23 (AP) 10-26 (USA Today) against ranked opponents? Bowl eligability doesn't mean crap in major conferences, especially sinc e there's about 3 billion bowls. The SEC has "10 bowl contenders" in it. Except they play people outside of conference. You have 3 teams ranked, with two that are bordering on falling out (Wisc and UM). Let's see, "quality" wins over Washington State (sucks), Notre Dame (historically bad season), Syracuse (sucks), Pitt (Mediocre), Syracuse again (sucks), Washington (sucks), Notre Dame Again, Notre Dame AGAIN, NOTRE DAME AGAIN. Holy crap, those are some great wins against teams that don't have winning records. Notre Dame alone skews the opponent's W/L record to 4-32. Then there's 2-8 syracuse, who alone puts it at 4-16. The W/L record of those 9 "quality" wins against "major" opponents: 19-66. Nineteen and sixty-six. And since when was ND a major conference? Right now they're lower than the indy service academies and Western Kentucky. You're 4-4 against major conferences and 5-0 against Notre Dame. Congrats. What was with those four losses: Mizzou (9-1), Oregon (8-1), Iowa St. (3-8) and DUKE (1-9). Yeah man, real quality conference. The two good teams you play won (Oregon smoked UM and Mizzou beat Ill), Iowa dropped to its state rival and Duke clipped someone. This also doesn't get to the ultimate scoreboard list: Bowling Green Florida Atlantic Duke North Dakota State Granted, 3 of those 4 were against the Golden Gophers, but you still have a loss by a "Bowl eligable team" to DUKE. Oh wait, I knew I forgot one: Appy State 34, #5 Michigan 32 The Big 11 sucks in football. Get over it. Maybe one team that should be sniffing BCS bids, that's it. Hawaii proves itself more than the Little 11. They (Hawaii) have problems with scheduling people while the Little 11 goes out to load up on the Appy States, Bowling Greens, Akrons, Youngstowns, directional michigans, and perenial conference bottomfeeders (Both washingtons and Syracuse and Duke). You can make a case for tOSU being good and solid and blahblahblah, but don't try to claim your conference is great. You beat up on Notre Dame in FIVE out of your NINE wins. Without that scrub-squad, your conference is 4-4, with losses against the only good teams in the bunch (and Duke). QED. Last edited by Lurch1982; 11-12-2007 at 02:59 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

11-12-2007, 04:23 PM	#18
Darunia00 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Boston Gender: Posts: 4,315 Thanks: 1 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts Points: 2,566.45 Bank: 653.27 Total Points: 3,219.72 Donate	OoC is overrated in college football. Teams are required to play 8 conference games out of a 12 game schedule. Those are the only games of any significance in the sport, as you could lose your first 4, win out in conference and make it to a BCS bowl. Michigan's losses to App. State and Oregon, though completely embarassing, is ultimately irrelevant in the big picture. They were on pace to win the Big 10 and I think still can if the take out OSU, although I may be wrong. In terms of overall quality and quality of teams played/beaten, I might venture that the Pac-10 is strongest this year. They play the most balanced football and have pretty solid resumes to back it up. The SEC, while certainly strong, really strikes me as the same teams playing the same brand of football with few exceptions. Really, all it's about is recruiting. A perfect example is when Urban Meyer decided to go with 2 QBs last season, LSU and South Carolina followed suit (and possibly a few other programs that I didn't notice). That's why SEC teams only lose to each other; they play a brand of football totally unique to their own conference. Unless they play teams that can match up with them OoC, they'll run train as usual. The only team I see as capable of taking out an LSU or a Florida in a bowl game would be Oklahoma and maybe Oregon. If, for instance, BC won out as I'd hoped they would (unfortunately for me, they suck) and played LSU, the game would have been a bloodbath. If Ohio State won out, that game would have also been a disaster. Nowadays, you just won't see a Penn State beat a Miami like in 1986(?).

11-12-2007, 04:59 PM	#19
DJ Ryan http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/359805 Vote for your favorite songs Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Shhhh, it's a secret right now Gender: Posts: 13,431 Thanks: 1,070 Thanked 719 Times in 416 Posts Points: 39,252.77 Bank: 962,921.99 Total Points: 1,002,174.75 Donate	The whole BCS in college football is ridiculous and pointless. It pretty much rids competition in college football (until this season at least) seeing as the bigger schools tend to just play smaller schools to build up their potential spot in the championship. I believe BCS should be scrapped, I believe all these polls and whatnot need to be stopped, and I think it needs to be done by conference, that's what you have them for.

11-12-2007, 05:37 PM	#20
Lurch1982 Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Katrinaland, USA Gender: Posts: 9,230 Thanks: 120 Thanked 220 Times in 131 Posts Points: 31,931.87 Bank: 251,677.75 Total Points: 283,609.62 Donate	I'm for scrapping the polls, BCS, and Bowl System and seeding a 32 team tourney with every conference winner (11 teams) getting automatically in and the rest seeded by essentially RPI ala basketball (SoS, SoC, quality wins, etc). It would force bigger OoC games in order to strengthen RPI and would provide for better TV. Just name the games using existing bowl sites and names to keep the sponsors happy. Not like there isn't more than enough garbage bowls and sites to keep them happy.